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Cultural Death...
5 years ago
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My Politics and Social views are ideas that I believe work. If something does not work I call it out.
So how is censorship working out?
How is not listening to people bettering your life?
Do you really think a society that stifles information and creativity can thrive?
Is your cause so noble and the reward so great that Eden is right on the other side if just a little more pressure is applied?
There are constant Bills being pushed to create even more censorship.
--Don't contradict the election....
--Don't question a needle pushed into your arm...
--Don't play that music...
--Don't draw a Nazi pony...
--Stay inside don't hug anyone....
I have to admit even I will start dropping the powers that be.
Corporations and government be damned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcO8U-Evo0
I will listen for the sake of my survival but I am prepared to dump any assholes who promote censorship.
I supported Netflix until they supported pedophiles. I will support Disney as long as their antics don't bring about misery. Star Wars and Marvel are just not a priority and the more I cling the worse they will drag me down.
I am frankly tired and I have work to do.
Some guy smacked the back of my car and now I have a crack in what is laughably called a bumper. I didn't get mad and seeing the ice on the street it was easily understood.
Forgiveness is a blessing on the world.
I suggest you all just walk away from authoritative douche bags and their weird little agendas.
Talk anyway you like and play a song.
If someone is arrested for doing these things then tell the powers that you are done with them.
How is not listening to people bettering your life?
Do you really think a society that stifles information and creativity can thrive?
Is your cause so noble and the reward so great that Eden is right on the other side if just a little more pressure is applied?
There are constant Bills being pushed to create even more censorship.
--Don't contradict the election....
--Don't question a needle pushed into your arm...
--Don't play that music...
--Don't draw a Nazi pony...
--Stay inside don't hug anyone....
I have to admit even I will start dropping the powers that be.
Corporations and government be damned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcO8U-Evo0
I will listen for the sake of my survival but I am prepared to dump any assholes who promote censorship.
I supported Netflix until they supported pedophiles. I will support Disney as long as their antics don't bring about misery. Star Wars and Marvel are just not a priority and the more I cling the worse they will drag me down.
I am frankly tired and I have work to do.
Some guy smacked the back of my car and now I have a crack in what is laughably called a bumper. I didn't get mad and seeing the ice on the street it was easily understood.
Forgiveness is a blessing on the world.
I suggest you all just walk away from authoritative douche bags and their weird little agendas.
Talk anyway you like and play a song.
If someone is arrested for doing these things then tell the powers that you are done with them.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cycu4GOcSzQ
So if they stop those words being used, then they stop all the bad/toxic critique??? If they ban those words, the Twich will be a better place...right?
WRONG! </Lex Luthor shout>
They already invented NEW WORDS for those, like instead of 'simp' something like 'Tier 3 sub'! The ban only makes them enrich vocabulary. The problem will not be solved, just put under the rug for a day at most! What a joke move...as most form of censorship is!
I think that's dumb, but it confuses me when people who go on and on about how you should be allowed to kill to protect one's property get mad when big tech uses their property rights for their own profit.
Show some integrity!
Any decent lefty knows that we basically give corporations the power to do whatever they want and they're mostly surprised and amused that they went for righties first.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antif.....-was-arrested/
Sadly, none of these pathetic little snowflakes has an F'ing CLUE the degree of shit they're going to be wearing, once they rile the 'Watching/Waiting/Hoping-Govt.-Will-Do-Their-FUCKING-JOBS' populace.
Now that we KNOW none of these Tax Paying parasites will?
Our patience is at an end.
Let Antifa/the BLM visit our communities, now.
See how that works out for them.
He's a hero and fierce Fascist fighter!! Even Philip Haskins-Delici, AKA Isabel Rosa Aruajo, AKA 'ADF' has stood up as a brave womanly Antifa SUPERSOLDATEN to the vile and evil Andy Ngo https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/statu.....830850?lang=en
It'll take a long while, and likely require many such bats.
It'll be worth the show.
Sell tickets, reduce the National Debt.!
....yeah, that was a LONG time ago. lol
Just reading about their experiment teaches me that with the exception of turn signals, when I hear If Everybody did this the world would be better off... it sends up red warning flags to me. Not to say utopianists are full of crap, but at the moment we can't get there from here.
Who controls the past controls the future.Who controls the present controls the past.
Opposing Viewpoints will be censored.
Repeat offenders will be liquidated.
When I know of anyone who actually gets censored (by which I mean the government actually throws them in jail for legitimately protected speech, not just that they get deplatformed from one specific venue for violating TOS), I'll let you know.
"How is not listening to people bettering your life?"
Not listening to Nazis and conspiracy theorists makes my life quite a bit better. Wastes much less of my time to not listen to low-value ideas in the first place than it does to have to filter through them.
there's a difference between taking a pandemic seriously and fabricating politically motivated fear against vaccines.
though considering all the other conspiracy crap you've been going on about for the past few weeks, i guess i shouldn't be surprised that you'd join the anti-vaccines movement as well...
And after that things will open up riiigght?🥴
Infact many places are locking down more, from "you can wear a mask and come in" to "unless you get the vaccination and have papers confirming it, you cannot enter". This is being backed up by multiple states, as well many corporations (one of which my sister works for, walmart) have stated they are going to do this once the vaccine is opened to the public.
Infact in my current state the govenor is already trying to mandate the vaccine be required to enter any business at all.
Multiple airports have actually already announced electronic checkers which are suppossed to keep track of whether or not you have confirmed a covid test or vaccination confirmation, which if you don't show up on, they'll just kick you off the plane.
Now I haz a mental image of THAT...
Where'd I put that damn bleach...
:-P
hilarious
please keep it up, it is oh so very entertaining
Doesn't mean I have to agree with them, or they, me.
I draw the line when anyone, or anything, tries to PREVENT our 1st Amendment. I don't care what 'Platform' it may be, or what colored uniform said 'Law Enfarcement' personnel might be wearing at the time (I'm talking about 1st Amendment Auditors, for the most part).
I fear 'Common Sense' has been bred OUT of the majority of the human population, and 99.9% of every g-damned politician/judge still suckling off the Tax Payer's $$$.
While I don't have much more time left in this world, I surely will not regret, resent, or miss the Mt. Everest sized servings of BS being shoveled.
Now, plz pass the Rum, mah tankard is empty!
:-D
I can disagree with people all day long but I will die defending their right to say it.
The problem is a good chunk of Americans are NOT returning that favor for the rest of us.
I mean, I always hear about the various amendmends, but I discovered something that might be even more important than any of them, depending on how you interpret it.
It's a Pandora's Box by my interpretation, so I understand if no one wants to touch it.
That's the preamble of it, even before article 1, the first 3 lines.
Like I said, there are different ways to interpret that, but I believe it at least deserves some thought.
These past few months, however?
I need to buy replacement copies of my books on 'em all!
Turn off the TV and you'll be surprised how much of it just disappears with it. Your neighbors aren't out to get you. There's no death plague coming down on you. And most people believe the election was stolen from Trump. Probably too many.
But yeah,once you realize it's all bullshit and lies,they lose their power over you. It's a good first step. But the rabbit hole runs deep and you lose a lot of really nice beliefs along the way.
Enjoy the ride.
quote: And most people believe the election was stolen from Trump. - no, they do not.
Yeah, I know video evidence does not mean anything to ya!!
chances are though that the sun burns out before that will ever happen
I don’t wait for CNN to tell the truth!
trust me
i noticed
Now, keep repeating what you've been typing.
Real Ukrainian energy expert there...
Coming from an Artist of the Furry persuasion?!
Touche', good Sir!
Touche'!!
So with no other surgeries/operations/etc going on... what did you think they were going to do? That's why the guy who died in the motorcycle accident was "accidentally" counted as a C-19 death (or attributed by it).
The CDC also released their numbers recently of deaths this year as of the end of November 2020.
We only had 2.5 million deaths in the USA. (They quickly retracted this to claim it 'false'.)
In 2019 we had 2.9 million deaths.
Even if we add on the 290,000 "confirmed deaths related to COVID-19" it still brings us up to par with 2019's numbers.
See the issue? Not much as changed and the pandemic was nonsense to begin with.
Not to mention the article the WHO published in October 2020, studying the most "heavy hit" areas of the world by this. The Infection Fatality rate was still only 0.8%. (Source: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online......20.265892.pdf )
Don't get me wrong- COVID-19 exists. But it's not much different than influenza (which can easily lead to a chest infection) or other COVIDs we've seen (MERS being another).
I'd rather they don't end up getting infected so I'm taking the pandemic serious and wear a mask when i go out. i hope you do as well.
Well no one wants to kill old folk but they were in the high-risk category and have been for several years now. You'd be amazed how many die from infections (lung or otherwise) or sepsis each year. 2020 didn't change that much but we might see more deaths come 2021 from the lack of medical care for other diseases (heart, diabetes, etc).
Would still rather reopen the country. We NEED jobs and income.
Let people get the vaccine if they choose to (or not, this is America after all).
Wear a mask if you want to- or not.
Andrew Cuomo did.
I think that excludes Cuomo, De Blasio, and Whitmer. lol
The one thing that never comes up are the number of deaths of treatable injuries, diseases and sickness. I mean the total number of them. Especially if they didn't have the money to pay for the treatment. Because each of them is also a customer and that also impacts the economy in the long run.
So how about someone does a calculation how much profit they would have proided if they lived longer against the profits of the insurance and pharmaceutical industry and of course what it means in terms of job numbers.
Mind that I have no idea what these numbers look like (though I do have my suspicion), but maybe someone should figure them out.
90% were already in ICUs.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/.....bZXCwSRP2OmqsI
The fatality rate of Covid is 0.2%
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201.....CFeg5UXzalabGg
The success rate of Pfizer's "vaccine" is below 90%.
A famous example would be the recent death of Rick May,the voice of Soldier in TF2. A big headline claimed he died of Covid. Read the article and they offhandedly mention he also had cancer. There's also the fact that the CDC was paying hospitals thousands of dollars for every Covid case/death reported,which they've admitted to. They do it for most of the "scary" diseases the media pushes.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/.....navirus-deaths
You have to actually look this shit up to find it,they aren't going to tell you this on your nice,friendly TV screen.
According to the CDC,whom you're getting these stats from,we got 16 million cases out of a population of 350 million. That's hardly a pandemic by any stretch of the imagination. Of those 16 million cases,we have 300,000 deaths. As stated,these numbers are inflated but even by these numbers,the death rate for Covid is 1.8%. You have a better chance of being hit by a car than dying from Covid. Even by their numbers.
I could also point out that the death toll for this year is at a 5 year low,the flu is all but disappeared,and Covid will kill you faster than that shotgun blast to the chest you just took. Covid's a hell of a disease. However,Covid is also a politically minded disease as it will run wild on Trump rallies but not a BLM riot. So you can't even call it racist.
As for the Trump election being stolen,most people aren't as stupid as you and the people who's dicks you suck. So,yeah. It's coming.
I laughed out loud when I saw a rather leftie furry on twitter complaining about twitter now censoring more porn and putting people in "horny jail". We've been warning against social media censorship for a long time, while your (the twitter users) side was all for it. Personally, I did since decades (mostly RE anonymity but also censorship because those are related)
But it's a great way to realize most people don't have any real convictions. How many people on the left (and I am on the left, just more center nowadays) do you know that quoted Beatrice Hall's "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" or Brandeis with "Sunlight is [said to be] the best of disinfectants" a decade or two ago?
yet as soon as the cultural power is not on those "evil christians" that want to censor stuff "for the children" or right wingers wanting to censor any talk about drugs "for the children" (and so on) but on the "social justice" side that want to censor stuff for "the minorities" (and so on).. They're totally on bord with it. Part of the reason I don't count myself as "left" but rather "center".
But the opposite is also true. Way too many people that were on board with the censorship back then now act like free speech advocates (not throwing shade at you, I mean the right in general).
Deer shit, bird shit, different colors, still shit.
As said, great way to realize that people only hold convictions as long as it's convenient for them.
Sorry, got a bit on a rant. It just pains me how many people that once were by my side against censorship now support it. Some of them may even be responsible for my own anti-censorship convictions I got in my youth, who knows. Like a flag in the wind.
You know said platform is beyond all hope or redemption!
Amusingly, the entire 'Politics' section of the Forum has been expunged, so I can't even provide links to prove what I'm saying happened.
I wonder why a site would erase an entire section, if it had nothing to hide?
Much like Hillary's emails.
https://imnotanexpertbutdotcom.file.....280.jpg?w=1100
https://cbldf.threadless.com/designs
The only thing I'd like artists to take into consideration is some restraint with the Nazi 'Pony'.
They make good villains or you can ridicule them (loved 'The Producers'), you can go for their stylish uniforms and of course showing the difference between a Nazi and a German Soldier (just watch 'Das Boot' if you don't know what I mean.
But don't show them as heroes for their evil deeds.
Note please that I mentioned to take it into consideration. I'm not saying you can't do it, just that you shouldn't. The decision lies with the artist.
P.S. Personally? Instead of Nazi Pony's, couldn't we have more pictures of Ghost Pony Rider?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9Hyno5zJQ
I'm rather indifferent to the show, but that I can get behind.
Most people today are to lazy, they just outsource control. "I hate when this person says this, but I don't really want to go through the effort of proving them wrong with logic, debate but want that dopamine. I know! the Government/company/censors/army will do it for me if I give them a button that mutes them."
Problem is, when the worker is stronger than the boss, the boss tends to be the first one deposed once they have served their purpose.
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the problem with this is though that even if you go through the trouble to prove them wrong with logic and debate, they will still cling to their beliefs. especially on the internet. it doesn't matter how good or how often you debate, what type of reasoning you use or what solid facts you present, the truth of the matter is that they simply prefer to continue believing into whatever nonsense they happen to believe. usually because they don't want to face the reality that whatever it is they believe in so hard and firmly is nothing but a fabrication.
AlexSpastic in particular is a prime example of that.
doesn't matter how often you try to argue, debate or reason with him... he already made up his mind and nothing you say or do can change that and confronting him with evidence and facts that prove him wrong usually leads to him either trying steer the conversation in a whole new direction to distract everybody or to outright insulting you.
a favor which, I have to admit, I'm more than happy to return because I don't care anymore. if he prefers building himself an echo chamber and only surrounding himself with like minded people, if he's happy going down the rabbit-hole of insane conspiracies and pushing away everyone else in the process, then that's fine with me
I'm actually surprised that he hasn't blocked me yet
Otherwise your just the most prime example of it AND being a hypocrite while doing it.
You stand on logic and facts, while giving none but acting like you have won already. Honestly looking at how you have behaved in all the chats, you dont really care about facts, your just trying to stir the pot.
How do I know this is true? Logically you contradict yourself.
"a favor which, I have to admit, I'm more than happy to return because I don't care anymore." So you are stating A. You are claiming he does not give facts or logic. B. you also justify 'if he does not give me the information I demand, then I shall not give information in return.'
then you say "if he prefers building himself an echo chamber and only surrounding himself with like minded people, if he's happy going down the rabbit-hole of insane conspiracies and pushing away everyone else in the process, then that's fine with me."
You have no stated that you both "Do not care." and "I am fine if he wants to do that." Yet your behavior of mass replying to all posts, shitposting without evidence/logic in the thread and giving long multi paragraph statements to a few sentences show that:
1. It DOES bother you.
2. You are NOT okay with it because you keep coming back.
3. You are NOT fine with him having an area where he just has people return his own opinion without challenge, because you are obsessively posting in all his journals.
You are either a HUGE hypocrite lying about how "you dont care" and how he does not give any justification, Or you lack so much self awareness it is ironic.
Anyone who does not care, and has to keep telling you much they 'do not care' is lying to themselves or the other person.
I have just used the Facts of what are in the thread and the logic of what has been said by you. Feel free to defend yourself, or just deflect.
you're not wrong about me coming here to stir up the pot though. i find it entertaining and i'd be lying if i said that i didn't take pleasure in the general meltdown Trump supporters had ever since the election results were announced.
anyways with this out of the way...
you want me to back up my claim? all you gotta do is look at his journal "Election Fraud Evidence" from 17 days ago. in that journal, I asked a simple question.
"if the allegations of voting fraud where true and this evidence of yours was as solid as you think it to be, how come Trump keeps getting his court cases dismissed?"
Alex reply to this? "Courts are corrupts it often depends on who appoints the judges." a sentence making two very bold claims which of course are not backed up by anything but Alex likes to defend them vehemently. the second claim is more ironic because last I checked it was Trump who appointed a fuckton of judges during his term in office...
but you tell me
if i ask this question "if the allegations of voting fraud where true and this evidence was solid , how come Trump keeps getting his court cases dismissed?" to two different people, one of them tells me "probably because the evidence is just simply weak and unconvincing" and the other tells me "because the judges are all corrupt and there's a conspiracy amongst the judges against Trump going on". you tell me which of these answers sound more believable to you.
I also like that in that very journal, he writes "Joe Biden----> China". as if Donald Trump and his business don't have dealings with china...
I could go on... and because i have nothing better to do at the moment, might as well...
Alex likes getting his news from Tim Pool, even calls him a "good guy" when Tim Pool spend the last few months demonizing democrats at every opportunity while also praising Trump and republicans as saints. I'm sorry but I'm looking at Tim Pool's YouTube channel right now, I'm looking a the video titles and the thumbnails of his video and if you're trying to tell me that Tim Pool does not have an extreme pro-Trump bias, you are quite frankly mad. here's the link if you care. you take a look at it and you tell me if you could tell someone in all honesty that Tim Pool has no pro-republican/Trump and anti-democrat/Biden bias: https://www.youtube.com/c/Timcast/videos
other times Alex likes to link videos, they end up leading to bitchute and well... i don't exactly have a very strong opinion of bitchute because, to put it simply, bitchute is a gathering point of hatred. looking for religious extremists openly calling for the murder of gay people? go to bitchute. looking for racists to openly call for the murder of all insert-skin-color-here-people? go to bitchute. looking for people who openly deny the Holocaust during WWII? go to bitchute... I'm not particular fond of outlets like CNN, BBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc. and I don't entirely trust them because they too have agendas they are pushing... but even with that in mind, I still consider those outlets hell of a lot more trustworthy than the scum hanging around bitchtue, i can tell you that much... but Alex? he see's no problem whatsoever. evident by how often he likes to link to bitchute videos in his journals
honestly there's a lot of stuff I could mention here... Alex likes to rant nonsense against "corporations" or "elites" whatever they are because he never really bother defines either of them when he goes on his rants... yet even though he likes ranting against so called "elites" like Joe Biden, he somehow still treats Donald Trump like some type of saint... as if Donald Trump himself wasn't also a wealthy as fuck rich boy like all those other "elites". why is it that Alex and so many others consider Trump, a billionaire who inherited a business empire and never worked a blue collar job for a single day in his life, as some kind of hero for the blue collar worker?
here's some links if you want them though honestly you can just as easily browse most of Alex' recent journals for all this crap
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/9701557/
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/9512573/
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/9596853/
As for the argument on the election there can be no doubt there was tampering and people faking votes. Mostly because there are fake votes caught every election so denying this would be ignorant. Secondly Its funny that for 4 years we were told by CNN "Russia hacked the election. Elections are unsecured. There was tons of problems." They even said before Biden had the votes "There are lots of problems. 1 in 4 Mail in votes are not good." yet for some reason after they declare Biden had a lead "Everything is fine, nothing to see here, no fraud."
That is the definition of suspicious.
Hypothetical: you and I were in a contest where the winner got a lottery prize of $10,000 dollars, and I win with a significant bump that goes against the expected norms. And then you hear that some of the people favorable to me were left alone to check the winning results, and that where these things happened I was always in the lead at the end. And then people who were on my side say "okay, Rana clearly won. Anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist."
Your telling me you would not only just fold your hands and accept it but you would also not want those happenings investigated at all? Cause I don't think you would. And expecting other peoples to do something you would not do is hypocritical. Also, lets not pretend like #notmypresident in 2016 did not happen. Nobody said they were subverting the system back then, but now it is?
And also saying that judges do not subvert justice is also dishonest. There are TONS of cases where people with big pockets or connections win. Like the one guy on Kickstarter who listed some of his Sci fi in his project he was doing, months in advance, and then Startrek Discovery just happened to have that exact thing in it, and he sued because they blatantly stole his intellectual idea, but he lost the case despite having posted the idea before the shooting. That is a perfect example.
Regarding Trump and China vs Biden and China is also being rather intellectually dishonest. China is possibly the BIGGEST and cheapest factory labor and production. You have to go out of your way not to have ties to china when making anything. However people are not denying that. They deny that Trump has had secret donations to his bank account. Trump has had some of the biggest anti-china interference policies. Biden on the other hand has Hunter, his kid who has had connections and strange donations from both Russia and China. If Trump Jr had done this we would be still talking about it but for some reason Biden is okay doing this. And the Washington Post had gotten blocked, censored and suppressed because they did a story on it before Biden won. You cannot deny these facts, its record. Has Trump ever silenced a newspaper or had someone on twitter silenced for talking bad about him? If he was we would again already be talking about it. Lets not play coy.
Regarding Tim Pool: he is independent, meaning not tied to a big news organization. Something else you dont really notice is that Tim Pool is a fence sitter with some morals. He rarely takes a stand and people even mock him for "This could happen or this could happen." Since he says anything could happen. Tim Pool has stated he thought that Biden was likely going to win before the election. Nobody seemed to have a problem with that fact, just that he would rather have Trump win. I dont agree with Tim on a lot but he is not a pro trump, republican conservative. He is a librarian and states so often. It means he is in the middle and tends to pick what he likes from each side of the isle. That's not conservative or republican. he is for legalization of drugs, not very conservative. I could go on but I have made a point. Your boxing him in from watching maybe 2 or 3 of his videos.
"i don't exactly have a very strong opinion of bitchute because, to put it simply, bitchute is a gathering point of hatred." One could say much worst of Twitter. People are often: Doxed, get death threats, insulted, have sarcastic or hateful comments for expressing an unpopular opinion, have people canceled, lose their jobs or get people to kill themselves on twitter. If anything Bitchute is more like 4chan, A place people can post things without fear of outrage mobs or people trying to Karen you twitter style. I remember a lot of people saying "If you dont like how youtube runs things go make your own!" same thing with twitter. Well they made Bitchute for all the people that got banned from youtube and Parlor for twitter people. Yet even after they went and made their own, people still have a problem with them for doing what they said. If you disagree with whats in a video, fine, but discriminating against someone based on everyone who uses it is stupid.
Want to debate that point? Well your going to have to justify all the serial killers, domestic abusers, DUI drivers and any other bad people if you ever want to use Walmart again and not be 'associated' with them.
Now for your last point, I cant answer for Alex. However I can tell you one thing, Trump generally stands for what people want rather than what is in his best interests.
Trump has become a "nazi" bogey man tyrant on news programs because he has unpopular policies. He lowers taxes for everyone, Joe raised the taxes. Trump understands people need to be responsible but also run their jobs if we want the economy to not collapse. Joe announced we are gonna have another serious lockdown for 4 months once he gets in. Trump wanted to move jobs out of china and into america to give back some of the jobs companies outsource to other countries because its cheaper. And again, if you want to protest outsourcing of jobs, your going to be arguing against the facts.
Wouldn't it make more sense if Trump was this big corporate bad guy to go with the flow of what would portray him best so he can take advantage of everyone possible?
Trump has lost a lot in all fairness. He cannot appear on news without something bad being said about him. He cannot appear in public without people appearing and screaming at him how evil he is. People are trying to make him a historical pariah despite most of the things the news says is sensationalized to sell papers and clicks. He seems to be making choices opposite to his own interests.
Joe on the other hand if you have not been following the news:
-Threw BLM under the bus after he was confirmed.
-Went back on his word before he is even in yet.
-His family is recently being shown to be a bunch of druggies using him to get out of DUIs, getting powerful jobs, taking bribes and many other things the Biden family has been under investigation for many years not just for this recent past 4 years.
-Joe has also begun going against his voter bases wishes.
-Raised taxes.
and many more things nobody seems to be pleased with.
You can say a lot of things about Trump, but he at tries to do what he says he will do, even if he fails. And people respect a person who keeps their word and sticks to his principles he campaigned on. But the main focus on this original journal that also involves both Trump and Biden-
Trump is against censorship. Biden is FOR censorship. That in itself should tell you a lot.
seriously dude...
"did you watch a video"
"yeah, i don't like him"
"watch more videos"
"i already watched 3, i still don't like him"
"then watch even more videos"
is that what you're suggesting here? what kind of messed up logic is that?
qoute Well they made Bitchute for all the people that got banned from youtube - so you realize that Bitchute is a gathering point for people who got banned from YouTube, many of them being real pieces of shit but you can't see why I would have a problem with that? I'm sorry but last I checked, Bitchute isn't the only YouTube alternative out there. So why not use a different platform? probably because shit people like to hang around with like minded shit people and you can find a lot of shit people on Bitchute...
also you might want to reconsider your Walmart argument. Walmart is a shop selling groceries. last i checked, you couldn't buy groceries on Bitchute.
a more accurate comparison would be if you tried to compare Bitchute with a theater because Bitchute is a platform providing a stage for people to speak to a wide audience, much like a theater does.
and if we're talking theaters, well... I admit, I would like to someday see a live play of William Shakespeare's MacBeth in a theater somewhere. when I do though, I probably wouldn't want to watch it in a theater who's known for allowing neo-nazi bands to have rock concerts in their halls.
quote: Trump generally stands for what people want rather than what is in his best interests - the majority of the american people seem to disagree which is probably why Trump ended up losing the election.
quote: Trump is against censorship. - lol, you're kidding right? the guy who spend the last 4 years popularizing the term "fake news" every time anyone said something even remotely critical of him is suddenly supposed to be "against censorship"... lol, yeah, sure buddy. whatever you say.
I never said watch more of him, but picking 3 things at random hardly gives you a clear understanding. If I pick 3 chapters of of a book then I should understand the entire book right?
"so you realize that Bitchute is a gathering point for people who got banned from YouTube, many of them being real pieces of shit" Wow that's a major jump in logic with no proof. There have been MANY people who have been banned or left youtube for many reasons.
Examples:
Having the report system abused.
The algorithm banning your account for saying a forbidden word.
Being hate mobbed by a rival youtuber.
Death threats.
Not breaking the rules but still getting shafted.
You are attributing the property of being banned with being a bad person. Are all the people recently being purged from twitter people are crying to unban pieces of shit?
Also it may not be the only youtube alternative but it is one that does not censor peoples opinions. Your free to post your work and as long as its not illegal its good. Im getting some serious judgmental opinions from you.
Also your rebuttal of the Walmarts "Technicality" makes not difference. If you buy food from a store called "Nazis-r-us" I dont think people will care what the name of the store is. The argument is if your going to group people by what they use as a whole, you will be lumped with evil people just as easily, because its an illogical argument. Theaters may allow people to use the movies people put forth, but your judging the people going to the theater with the people making the movies in your argument so again, I hope you dont use something that someone else who is a terrible person uses. Because that makes you a bad person by that logic.
If the Neo-Nazis are behaving and cause no problem who cares if the kids "listen to their rock and roll." Seriously. Fallacy of composition, google it, its what your doing right now.
"the majority of the american people seem to disagree which is probably why Trump ended up losing the election." Actually if each state counted for 1 vote, trump had one more state than biden. Also, people are voicing a LOT of voters regrets about biden and even being quoted as "If I knew thats what he was going to do, I would not have voted at all." So clearly not half the people think that.
"the guy who spend the last 4 years popularizing the term "fake news" every time anyone said something even remotely critical of him is suddenly supposed to be "against censorship" This statement in itself shows once again you dont understand what censorship is.
Lets lay it out.
Not Censorship: "What these people said is false."
Censorship: "I dont like what these people said so I want those reports deleted."
Not censorship: "You are lying about me. You should stop lying."
Censorship: "anyone who says the work fake news to have their website suspended.
Do you see the difference here? I want to make sure this is 100% clear.
Saying someone is wrong, lied, has a bad opinion or should be mocked is NOT CENSORSHIP.
Finding all the things people say that you do not approve of and them having the people banned, the comments deleted or unable to say those things anymore IS CENSORSHIP.
If Trump was a big person in censorship then you would not be hearing him call people fake news, they would just suddenly not be on the website or get shut down. Literally CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NPR would all start going very silent suddenly in america because anything bad being said about Trump would suddenly get turned off.
So when you say "lol, you're kidding right? the guy who spend the last 4 years popularizing the term "fake news" every time anyone said something even remotely critical of him is suddenly supposed to be "against censorship"... lol, yeah, sure buddy. whatever you say. "
I am blown away by the level of self contradiction and whataboutism your putting out like its some undeniable truth.
You wanna see REAL government censorship? Post some Winnie Xi pooh Meme in china. See how fast that gets deleted and you are knocked off social media. Try talking about Nazi's in Germany. Start claiming to be a follower of Shoko Asahara in Japan.
Do you see HOW different that is compared to Trump calling people out for printing sensational headlines at his expense that are frequently just rumors? He did not even penalize or ban them. You remember the Satanic Panic where people tried to get Rock music, harry potter books and other 'witchcraft' burned and censored so it could not taint the youth? THAT was real censorship, censorship that failed AND backfired I might add.
Censorship is the suppression or silencing of ideas, opinions or expression from people. Trump has not censored anyone I know of despite everyone telling him he is a piece of shit on the daily.
here's a list of other YouTube alternatives:
Vimeo
DailyMotion
Twitch
TED
Metacafe
Veoh
9GAG TV
Vevo
DTube
none of these alternatives have as bad of a rep as bitchute does. not even Twitch though Twitch is certainly getting close given how much of an extreme far left shitshow it turns into... but that's a different topic
quote Try talking about Nazi's in Germany. - I am german. you can also talk about the nazi period quite openly. unlike the US with the whole slave-business, we don't shy away in facing the dark parts of our history so that we can actually learn from it. why do you think i brought up the whole "to see MacBeth I wouldn't go to a theater that holds neo-nazi concerts" thing? and yes, the Walmart difference thing does make a huge difference but whatever.
quote Do you see HOW different that is compared to Trump calling people out for printing sensational headlines at his expense that are frequently just rumors? He did not even penalize or ban them. - Trump doesn't need to. why should he dirty his own hands when he has countless of people following him with fanatic zeal who would be more than happy to do the dirty deed for him? like when they all chanted "stop the count" in the middle of the counting process. or who could forget the more recent example where they started to call Fox News "Traitors" for recognizing Biden as president elect? https://twitter.com/i/status/1335286038592413705
anyways, I'm feeling that we're getting more and more off topic
bottom line, to put an end to this discussion:
-I don't like Tim Pool and I do not consider him as either trustworthy or unbiased
-I don't like bitchute and I do not consider it as a trustworthy information source
so
instead of trying to persuade me that both Tim Pool and bitchute are "on the level" or "trustworthy",
why not instead make whatever argument you're trying to make with something that isn't from either Tim Pool or bitchute?
that's probably a lot easier
"Trump doesn't need to. why should he dirty his own hands when he has countless of people following him with fanatic zeal who would be more than happy to do the dirty deed for him?" Again you are attributing judgement with no evidence. I seem to remember LOTS of people targeting people with Trump signs for the past 4 years, and even vandalizing cars if the bumper sticker was there. You keep talking about this shadow cabal of evil trumpers, yet that is an EXTREME view. "stop the count." Funny, I remember when #notmypresident was going on, people were breaking down windows, setting trashcans on fire and attacking people with red hats. ALSO if I am not mistaken there were some Antifa/BLM people chanting "Death to America!"
Oh YOU are going to declare this argument over? You also say "why not instead make whatever argument you're trying to make with something that isn't from either Tim Pool or bitchute?" Really? Was the 3 Paragraphs about what Censorship really is you never bothered to adress and also happens to be the actual topic of said journal your posting in? This is the 4th time you will pick a fight in different topics and avoid main points. I am guessing because you cant find a defense for them.
Well how about we go back to the begining?
Anyone who supports censorship is stupid.
"but I don't really want to go through the effort of proving them wrong with logic, debate"
You have conveniently been throwing around big hate words and judgements while avoiding Censorship, Biden issues, Biden Censorship, but seem to be super focused on small points like "I dont like Tim Pool, Bitchute is a hate site" and of course "Trump is bad."
Lets also follow the progress.
1. You said "you dont care." You did care.
2. You claimed the election fraud was just a bunch of nothing. Yet you didnt bother to address the hypothetical situation of what if you were in a suspicious contest, would you just give up if you suspected someone of cheating? And no one being honest would say they would, but you ignored the issue.
3. You begin to distract the issue you yourself just said was trivial and not worth talking about that YOU brought up in 'defense' of the logical arguments and then launch into a song and dance about how Bitchute is like neo nazis and Tim Pool is a Trumper.
4. You ignore the CENTRAL point that is the journals theme AND the original point I posted on, while talking about everything BUT censorship and mostly what you think about things, and then decide to oh so condescendingly 'end' the argument and the very points YOU brought into this argument and cant defend. Why did you bring them up if it was not important? I did not bring Tim Pool or Bitchute into this.
I am trying to have a genuine and logical debate with you but between the "I think this & feel this way based on circumstantial evidence"... let me ask you this:
If I just brought up a bunch of points and you were able to not only get me to admit I was wrong on some of my points but also I could not defend against/ or just would ignore any of your arguments, Would you think I was being an arrogant and disingenuous person?
Cause I am getting the feeling youre just walking in a circle.
since I'm using the word nonsense you can probably guess what I think about the matter.
I'm no legal expert. I've neither studied Law professionally nor as a hobby so my knowledge is very limited. because of this I can't comment on the finer technicalities. i can only comment about what I see and what I have seen in the past. which is the following:
Trump announcing that he wouldn't recognize an election loss before the election took place
Trump actively trying to stop the counting mid-vote when the election started not going his way
Trump making accusations of a "stolen vote" and "fraud" following the election
Trump filing several lawsuits for election fraud
Trump losing the majority of said lawsuits
like i said earlier, I'm no legal expert. Trump's lawyers on the other hand are and so are the judges dealing with these cases. if they wouldn't be legal experts, they wouldn't be lawyers and judges respectively.
court justice isn't perfect and you're absolutely correct in that the rich and powerful more often than not get away with a lot of shit because they got the money to hire the best lawyers who can weasel their way out of anything.
absolutely true
however, Donald Trump just happen to be a very rich and very powerful man himself and he definitely has the resources to hire the best lawyers that money can buy.
yet, despite that, he still keeps on failing more often than not for various reasons with a fairly common theme being that the lawyers cannot provide enough sufficient evidence to make a proper case.
which happened in multiple cases in multiple courts of multiple states and thus presided by multiple judges.
to me, this paints a very clear picture that this whole thing about "election fraud" is nothing than a fairytale, a whole lot of nonsense much like leftists cried for years about Russia interfering with the 2016 vote that got Trump into power to begin with.
and yes, I am not willing to entertain the idea of large scale corruption and conspiracy because of the sheer size of it. I mean...
if there really was election fraud like that, don't you think that the vote, in some states, wouldn't have been as close as it ended up being? Biden often lead only by a small percentage. if people wanted to tamper, don't you think they would have tweaked it more to make the lead a little bigger so that it would be much much harder to then legally justify a recount of the votes? for that matter, you mean to tell me that the people who commited the voting fraud were clever enough to properly plan and execute the fraud but not smart enough to do it in a way that it wasn't filmed? also, what about the corruption and conspiracy amongst the judges? are all of these judges quietly talking amongst themselves? or is someone paying them or whatever? how many judges and lawyers are involved? how many more people involved? how does it stay secret?
I don't easily believe in such conspiracy tales because the thing about conspiracies is this: the more people that are involved, the harder it is to keep secret. either because someone ends up making a mistake or someone gets a conscience all of a sudden, etc. conspiracies are very hard to keep secret the more people you involve within the conspiracy and things like a election fraud or a conspiracy against lawsuits in multiple states would involve a lot of people.
well, I've heard a lot of talk about "corrupt judges" or "conspiring judges" who ensure that the lawsuits fail for some kind of democrat/Biden agenda... but I don't see a lot of proof and evidence for that.
for that matter, neither have I seen a lot of actual proof and evidence of the so called voting fraud caught on tape. most of the stuff I got to see is a Trump supporter talking for 10 to 15 minutes without showing anything.
the best "proof" i ever saw was one video from a security cam showing someone opening a desk drawer and that was it. the video quality was to shitty to clearly show what was being pulled out from the desk so it can be anything. die hard Trump supporters claim those are fake votes or whatever but I'm not convinced because the video quality was to shitty for me to clearly see it.
but even if, then what?
I mean... don't you think that the highly professional lawyers hired by Trump would have access to the same kind of videos? or maybe even better ones? yet that's not enough to convince the judges that fraud was true.
I'm sorry that I'm ranting but I can't let this go. a team of highly professional, very well paid lawyers who live and breathe law every day of their lives and whose entire career resolves around proof and evidence is unable to get enough sufficient evidence to make a case for voting fraud but a couple random nobodies are able to get really shitty footage of a security cam or some smartphone or such and that somehow is the ultimate, undeniable truth for voting fraud? fuck, in the video i saw you couldn't even tell if this was actually one of those voting counting places or not... could have just as easily been any other office of every other company in the world...
there's just so many questions coming up... like:
where did the footage come from?
is this really from the 2020 election?
how do you know that the sheets of papers blurrily visible are actual votes?
how do you know that votes are being tampered with?
and many many more questions depending on the individual video and the like...
in short: its impossible for random people like us to get all the answers because we don't have the resources to get these answers. lawyers working these cases do but we don't.
yet, despite that, so many people have made up their mind already, made up their mind of a "stolen election" and of "fraud" and so they happily take and use whatever they can to support this narrative no matter how inconclusive their material might be or what happens in courts were actual professionals with far more resources and knowledge work on these things.
okay, I'm sorry for the rant, this was way longer than i wanted it to be
Why was there massive voter fraud FOR trump 4 years ago and the news talked about it AND russia's voter interference, and we heard about how hackers, and mail in fraud and many other things (again for four years) right up to the election; but now that Biden is confirmed everyone suddenly changes to "Its legit. Don't question it, or Else."?
Ultimately this was about censorship and once again you not only ignored everything I said and asked you directly but you went on another tangent. I still cant be sure you even understand what real censorship even is.
i hear a lot of the "its legit" thing. the "don't question it or else" part on the other hand not so much. no idea where you get that from though i have some suspicions.
but yeah, scrolling up to the top... you're right. you wanted to talk about censorship and i just used this and went off into an entirely different direction
okay then
you want to talk censorship, let's talk censorship.
who's getting censored, where are they getting censored, how are they getting censored and why are they getting censored?
I would NEVER want a flat earther censored. Why might you ask? Well there was study on college campuses that said 48% of students were not sure if the earth was flat or not. Bad ideas are like a sickness. You have to immunize and find logical reasons to stop it. But most people just google and find the first result and beleive it. They were googling flat earth and beleiving it because the flat earth fanatics had a wall of facts and faulty logic.
Why am I bringing this up? They do not block and delete flat earth videos, which many people say they should. They do not delete videos for kids where they mock eat poop or stab people with needles. They do not delete videos of people who declare Trump people need to be rounded up and killed. Heck they do not even delete the videos of ACTUAL ANIMAL ABUSE. There is even video of people pouring liquid metal on a roach in a pan, and crushing bugs with their feet on youtube.
What they do delete is anyone contesting or questioning the election scandals. They delete videos of people showing Antifa in a bad light. They delete videos based on bogus copyright claims by companies of people playing video games. And we are not even talking about demonetizing people from making money on videos, but youtube still putting their own ads to make money off it.
Thats just youtube.
How about twitter where people have been cheering Trump to be banned from twitter. Not because he broke rules, but because people are offended by him. Or people being banned for doing the same thing blue checkmarks do?
How about twitch where you can show your tits all you want, and do a full on butt spread and only get a 3 day time out. But say the word Simp, your banned. Talk about something they dont like ON ANOTHER PLATFORM and your banned. Drop the N word on someones stream, THEY get banned, not you.
How about facebook and ALL the shady crap they are up to?
How about that deal Sony made with china, stating they will adhere to their guidelines, including repressing anything that Xi find offensive?
Why is virtually every single big company in media enforcing very discriminatory CENSORSHIP on specifically anyone right of center?
[u]Do you deny all of what I have shown is happening?
Do you deny it is censorship?[/u]
when I do search for things like "election" or "voter fraud" in the youtube search however, i get a plethora of hits from various different channels.
likewise, in the past month I have seen and partially watched several videos from various people who comment on both the election and Trump's allegations of voting fraud. looking at Suris' channel on Youtube, he made a video that has "Voter Fraud" in the title and i wouldn't be surprised if Tim Pool has the same on his channel.
there's some bloke with his channel, The David Pakman Show, that i watched a little bit off during the election and now that I check out his channel, he too has videos up talking about the election and voter fraud.
so in short: while I admit that political commentary isn't something I watch on a regular basis on Youtube, it does look to me like people are still quite able to make videos concerning both the election and the allegations for voter fraud just fine without them getting deleted.
i don't use twitter either, much like facebook (I'm just not interested in social media, sorry) but I've known it for being a cesspool for a very long time so I'm not surprised. i'm not denying what happens on twitter with the banning of Trump but to be honest with you: I don't care. social media doesn't interest me, like i said earlier and twitter in particular is a magnet for extremists from all sides of the political spectrum with the far left extremists being the most vocal. which doesn't make twitter very attractive for me either.
as for twitch, well... its sad to see twitch go down the rabbit hole of extreme far left bullshit but if that's what the company wants to do, then so be it... i don't really use twitch to begin with and probably won't be for a long time.
I do agree with you that there is shit going on that would qualify as censoring on both Twitter and Twitch since both are quite guilty of pushing far left agenda's. which is why i kind of detest both platforms in the same way that I detest bitchute.
i don't have facebook so I can't comment on something i don't use and know nothing about (except that facebook exists).
as for the sony deal, while that is censoring, its also a capitalist business decision.
sony is first and foremost a business and the whole point of a business is to make money. a business primary objective is to grow and prosper so that it can make more money.
well, there is a lot of money to be made on the chinese market. sony, like many other companies, want that money. the chinese government is very aware of that which is why they have purposefully put very heavy and powerful access restrictions in place so that when foreign companies like sony try to gain access to the chinese market, the chinese government can then weaponize these restrictions in order to force the foreign company to adhere to the chinese government's will. if the foreign company refuses, they will lose access to the chinese market.
so companies like Sony sigh, roll their eyes, bend the knee and give the bare minimum of lip service to whatever the government wants in order to gain access to the market and thus access to chinese money. the sad truth is that defending freedom of speech isn't necessarily profitable and like i said earlier: the whole point of a business is to make money.
so, is the deal censorhip? yes it is.
it is also a very capitalist decision.
Also just because You are not interested in being on twitter or facebook does not mean others should not be. Its a bit egotistical to "well that does not affect me so I do not care."
Nobody should be censored on ANY platform. People should be free to say how they feel, what they think and their opinion on a matter. And people should be free to voice their opinions on that persons words or thoughts as well. The moment you stop someone from being able to speak their mind without fear of repercussion, people being to lie, omit truths or say empty words to please strangers.
Censorship has nothing to do with capitalism anymore than it does with political actions. The fact of the matter is, people are pushing for more and more censorship. And BIG companies are not aiming for capitalism, they are working towards monopolies and corporate interests. However the leaders of said industries are find with violating US first amendment rights of freedom of speech, even the freedom of press has been infringed upon.
And Biden has picked a guy that wants to lock the entire internet down for having anti left opinions. Even being quoted as saying "These companies have not suppressed enough of these extremist opinions." So perhaps you can understand why people hate Biden on his support of Censorship.
either way, quote "Not all videos are banned"
I'm sorry but wouldn't censoring be banning all videos and not just certain ones?
yes I agree that the YouTube algorithm is fucking stupid but that clearly doesn't stop people from still being able to make videos and post them as you yourself just confirmed.
quote Also just because You are not interested in being on twitter or facebook does not mean others should not be. Its a bit egotistical to "well that does not affect me so I do not care." - well, what do you expect me to say? I don't really use these services because I'm not really interested in social media, thus my knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes with supposed censoring, bans and other stuff is at best extremely limited.
so what do you want me to do? make up some bullshit or just smile and nod?
sure, maybe my stance is a bit egoistical but at least I'm being honest when I say "I don't use it because I don't care about it so I know little to nothing about it".
I'm not interested in American Football either. am I just as egoistical when someone asks me how the... uh... Dallas Cowboys or whatever are playing and I reply with "I don't really know cause I'm not really interested"?
quote: Nobody should be censored on ANY platform. - while i do agree and sympathize with the sentiment, the reality is unfortunately a different one. internet platforms like YouTube, Twitter, etc. are not public places. they are private property which means there's someone who owns it. YouTube is owned by Google, Twitter is owned by... whoever the fuck owns Twitter, and whomever owns the place gets to make the rules. usually these rules are outlined in a Terms of Service or a Code of Conduct which you have to agree to if you want to use a platform like YouTube.
the ToS and CoC are made by whomever owns the platforms and if you want to use said platform, you have to follow the rules. if the owner of a platform decides to change the rules well... unfortunately for people like us, that is well within their right as owner and we, as users, have to suck it up if we want to continue using these services.
its like renting an apartment from a landlord. the landlord gets to make the rules and if you want to keep your apartment you'll have to suck it up and follow the landlords rules. otherwise the landlord is well within their right to kick you out.
quote: People should be free to say how they feel, what they think and their opinion on a matter. And people should be free to voice their opinions on that persons words or thoughts as well. - in first world countries like the US or my own country of Germany, in public spaces, they are. i haven't seen anyone getting arrested by the police and thrown in jail for speaking their mind in public yet.
quote: The moment you stop someone from being able to speak their mind without fear of repercussion, people being to lie, omit truths or say empty words to please strangers. - exercising your freedom of speech to voice your opinion will always have repercussions and will always be dangerous, even if you don't see it.
earlier in May, people exercised their first amendment rights of freedom of speech and blocked the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis to protest the George Floyd killing. regardless of what you or I might think about the protests, the fact of the matter is that these were people exercising their first amendment rights of freedom of speech.
their efforts were met by a Semi-Truck deliberately steering towards the crowd at very high speed in an attempt to run them over and kill people. fortunately this attempt was without success.
quote Censorship has nothing to do with capitalism anymore than it does with political actions. - that depends on the situation. you mentioned Sony specifically and in the case of Sony, it sure as hell is a capitalist decision because Sony wants access to the chinese market so they can make more money and in order to do that they have to appease the chinese government. Sony isn't doing chinese enforced censoring out of fun or because of some Sony-specific political agenda, Sony is doing this because they want to make money in china. to you that might be political but to Sony its business.
also keep in mind that the first amendment is a US law and Sony is a japanese company who only cares as much about US law as is required for them to operate and do business within US borders. any company is like that.
in any case this "censoring-business" is something that we'll need to wait and see how it develops. I haven't been threatened with suspension or the banning of my account here on FA as of yet despite me having made two journals literally titled "Fuck China". i also haven't gotten any E-mails from Sony or Blizzard or any other company about this. so I am somewhat skeptical how well this whole this censoring to appease China is going to be executed, if at all.
I mean, we can still talk quite openly about how China is an absolute shithole of a country without having to fear for both of our accounts here on FA, can we not?
"while i do agree and sympathize with the sentiment, the reality is unfortunately a different one." Reality is what WE make it. A wise man once said "We are all guilty through our actions and our inactions." If you see someone doing something bad to someone on the other side of the street and you just watch and when its all over move on, you have not technically done anything to harm that person, but you also allowed the other person to harm them unchallenged.
"in May, people exercised their first amendment rights of freedom of speech and blocked the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis to protest the George Floyd killing. regardless of what you or I might think about the protests, the fact of the matter is that these were people exercising their first amendment rights of freedom of speech." Huh, perhaps they should not have blocked the highway, because 'Freedom of speech' is not 'freedom to stand wherever you want or block off public transport.' The fact you equivocate that to free speech shows you have no understanding of what it is.
and EVEN IF there was such an amendment, what does blocking off random peoples ability to get to work, to the hospital, to get home, to get food accomplish? Nothing related to speech thats for sure. If they had walked on the side of the roads with signs and chanted, NOBODY would have had an issue with it. But they did not do that, and it had nothing to do with free speech. It had to do with illegally blocking an interstate, where semis move very fast carrying lots of heavy cargo. And these are the same people that try to do this with trains, with the same results, for the same reasons. Stop conflating this with freedom of speech.
"I mean, we can still talk quite openly about how China is an absolute shithole of a country without having to fear for both of our accounts here on FA, can we not? "
For now. But even FA bans people for what they say or dont support here. And they have a history of silencing people that expose the higher ups here.
Either way this thread is so constricted its painful to read.
So I will end with this. I would encourage you to instead of trying to post antagonistic comments; on a topic you have shown you dont completely understand, at people who are affected by said topic, instead read up on it first before you throw stones. Cause while this has been as civil as possible, I have seen some of the other threads.
the I-35 bridge was closed by the police so that these people could have their protest in peace and more importantly safe (how else can you explain thousands of people on the street with the only vehicle moving being the mentioned semi-truck?). didn't stop the driver of the semi-truck from circumventing police blockades to try and run people over though.
freedom of speech includes a freedom to peacefully assemble and protest so contrary to what you claim, it is in fact very much connected.
yes, there's a lot of things that don't completely understand or know little off but I do know that its very dishonest to complain about censorship when a private company like Google changes the ToS for YouTube while at the same time shrug your shoulders and blame the victims of violence from the opposing political side in a public area.
anyways I do agree with you that this has gone long enough and with christmas coming up, there are other things that require my attention so I'll be leaving as well.
regardless of anything prior, i do sincerely wish you a merry christmas.