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Ah, the book. A lost form of enjoyment nowadays, sadly.
This comic is a sequel! The first comic, 'Cruelty', can be read here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3704554/
Posting this disclaimer on every page, so no one can say they didn't see it. No need to read it if you already have, it's just for newcomers:
- This comic will contain adult content, swearing, violence, death, and some very difficult political and social subject matter. If you're the sort of sensitive person who can't handle that, this comic is not for you.
- Not ALL of the content in this comic will be posted online. I'll be withholding one of the adult scenes from the online release, reserved for the eventual print release. HOWEVER. Just like 'Cruelty', this comic WILL have one full adult scene posted online. Any complaints about the withheld content will be ignored, and likely scorned by the folks who DO enjoy what's posted online. So don't be an ass.
- This comic is GAY. GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! I cannot express this ENOUGH, seeing as there was some confusion with 'Cruelty'. This comic follows the storyline of 'Cruelty' regardless of which 'path' you took, but it is assumed the characters eventually began a relationship. The comic deals with gay issues, as well as a gay relationship. Deal with it, or GTFO.
Ah, the book. A lost form of enjoyment nowadays, sadly.
This comic is a sequel! The first comic, 'Cruelty', can be read here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3704554/
Posting this disclaimer on every page, so no one can say they didn't see it. No need to read it if you already have, it's just for newcomers:
- This comic will contain adult content, swearing, violence, death, and some very difficult political and social subject matter. If you're the sort of sensitive person who can't handle that, this comic is not for you.
- Not ALL of the content in this comic will be posted online. I'll be withholding one of the adult scenes from the online release, reserved for the eventual print release. HOWEVER. Just like 'Cruelty', this comic WILL have one full adult scene posted online. Any complaints about the withheld content will be ignored, and likely scorned by the folks who DO enjoy what's posted online. So don't be an ass.
- This comic is GAY. GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! I cannot express this ENOUGH, seeing as there was some confusion with 'Cruelty'. This comic follows the storyline of 'Cruelty' regardless of which 'path' you took, but it is assumed the characters eventually began a relationship. The comic deals with gay issues, as well as a gay relationship. Deal with it, or GTFO.
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Well here in the UK the word fag means cigeratte. It doesn't mean faggot, its not used as a derogatory word/people don't use it in a derogatory fashion towards gay people.
So your whole "I think that gay people who use it demean themselves and the rest of us". Is cultural specific and you should really stop talking as if you speak for all gay people in the world.
So your whole "I think that gay people who use it demean themselves and the rest of us". Is cultural specific and you should really stop talking as if you speak for all gay people in the world.
Well, we're talking about a comic which ostensibly takes place in the United States and where fag has the connotation it does, so I thought it would be obvious that I was talking about a part of American culture. Perhaps I should have been more specific.
What do the British use as an equivalent term? Poof? Queer? Same principle applies.
What do the British use as an equivalent term? Poof? Queer? Same principle applies.
I'm not so sure.
There are many derogatory words that are used nowdays as part of general conversation, without the user really being aware of the underlying meaning or insult.
I know some people who cannot say a sentance without inclucings a derivity of 'f**k' atleast 3 time in it, and often they are not aware that they have said it.
Joe does not strike me as a homophobe.. rather someone who inadvertantly said a common work forgetting the underlying meaning and insult of it.
Marc
There are many derogatory words that are used nowdays as part of general conversation, without the user really being aware of the underlying meaning or insult.
I know some people who cannot say a sentance without inclucings a derivity of 'f**k' atleast 3 time in it, and often they are not aware that they have said it.
Joe does not strike me as a homophobe.. rather someone who inadvertantly said a common work forgetting the underlying meaning and insult of it.
Marc
True,
But people that 'lack' the social grace, or do not know how to properly coop with such events will resort to the only way (or easier way) of handling such a problem. And that is always trough fysical force.
Plus at times people just can't take it anymore with the results being clear.
But people that 'lack' the social grace, or do not know how to properly coop with such events will resort to the only way (or easier way) of handling such a problem. And that is always trough fysical force.
Plus at times people just can't take it anymore with the results being clear.
Make a threat to anyone in a job, doenst has to hit, just a violent act is enough D=
Saddly Reis was on the giving end. Poor guy. This is why its good to keep ur temper and not worry about what others say about you. (and yes to any who want to insult me i am hypocritical about this sometimes)
Saddly Reis was on the giving end. Poor guy. This is why its good to keep ur temper and not worry about what others say about you. (and yes to any who want to insult me i am hypocritical about this sometimes)
Reis seems to be hot-headed and quick to act at times, but afterward very level-headed about his actions.
I don't know, of course, but I suspect he would have viewed saying what really happened as "narking" on Lou and took full blame for what he did. And in a way, he is right - there is never any excuse to assault someone, no matter how nasty their words. He may have lied so that Lou could keep his job.
I don't know, of course, but I suspect he would have viewed saying what really happened as "narking" on Lou and took full blame for what he did. And in a way, he is right - there is never any excuse to assault someone, no matter how nasty their words. He may have lied so that Lou could keep his job.
Oh, I think that will happen too, but it's still a sort of jarring experience that draws the reader out of the story, because it breaks the immersion. It works in movies to do something like that, or in a book where the chapter can end, and a new chapter can start. It's different with a comic, because there was no signal that there would be a break between the pages. I think a lot of it has to do with how the last panel was on the page before. If I had to compare it to a book, it's like he just stopped mid-sentence and started a new paragraph.
I'm personally very fond of cutting suddenly in a dramatic scene. It's a good way to build tension, and leave the reader on the edge.
Also, the 'fight' between Reis and Lou is really anticlimactic, and depressing. It isn't a 'yeah, kick his ass' moment, like the bully beat-down in Cruelty. I don't think it's necessary to see.
Also, the 'fight' between Reis and Lou is really anticlimactic, and depressing. It isn't a 'yeah, kick his ass' moment, like the bully beat-down in Cruelty. I don't think it's necessary to see.
Suspension is always a great tool in writing =o. I may or may not tend to overuse it in some of my pieces, but it does allow for great imagery to kick in >>
And, I'm kind of glad to hear that. To be fair I'd rather pay more attention to what's going on between these two than going back to the fight scene. I'm really loving the emotions that are going through up to now, it's actually giving me some inspiration for a piece I'm currently working on ^^;
And, I'm kind of glad to hear that. To be fair I'd rather pay more attention to what's going on between these two than going back to the fight scene. I'm really loving the emotions that are going through up to now, it's actually giving me some inspiration for a piece I'm currently working on ^^;
I agree with that cuddling comment. When something dramatic happens to me while I'm with my boyfriend (both being semi-rare events, oddly)--he cuddles me all of a sudden for a brief few seconds to shut me up and help calm me down. To an outside reader in a "third person limited" standpoint though, such an action would create a cliffhanger that's basically saying: "What's gone down and (more importantly) what are the character's reactions to it?"
Great story so far Rukis, forgive me from not commenting earlier. However, heh... The book is a lost form of entertainment, but that does look less then comfortable with how he is reading it dontcha think? Though, i'm far from one to talk, lol I've done that pose while stretching from bending over a desk reading a book.
Yea I think Reis got bad news about mom.. and took it all out on his coworker.. Actually I think its all the Shit Marcus has given him the past two years.. and He took it out on his friend at work...
True its wrong to do that but He has so much to work out and Marcus isnt helping at all.
Let's look at what Reis has to handle..
Marcus kissing him at work... Marcus treating him like crap
Reis Mom.. Reis having nothing to live for (no career) except Marcus...
Akk that bottled up and just had to come out...
Reis does need a hug
True its wrong to do that but He has so much to work out and Marcus isnt helping at all.
Let's look at what Reis has to handle..
Marcus kissing him at work... Marcus treating him like crap
Reis Mom.. Reis having nothing to live for (no career) except Marcus...
Akk that bottled up and just had to come out...
Reis does need a hug
I love Reis' expression in the last panel, and the earflick-panel is a nice touch. That being said, I think the perspective in the first panel is flawed. It looks as if Marc is sitting with his left buttock in the air, hanging over the edge of the chair. The way his tail is positioned emphasizes it. Also, it looks as if he's holding the book by the lower left corner (his thumb is in front of the page edges), letting the right side flap around free to partially obscure the page he's reading. Both look very unnatural, and, combined with the way he's holding his left arm (when one would normally keep it in a position ready to turn the page), and the way his tail arches back up, quite forced and uncomfortable, too.
Adding to your comment and the critical comment Villain added before, the panel of Reis sitting in a chair in this position struck me the first time I saw it. It is something you would do when you are outside of your home in public at a coffee place or in the park waiting to meet a friend or about to move to a different activity within the next 15 minutes.
Following the conversation Markus had a couple of hours before he would have picked up Reis from work. In this situation, Markus being a student, most of us would be sitting at a desk working on projects or lounging on the couch and read from a large (and heavy) text book.
It seems however, that Rukis made up for this by drawing Reis in well set every day situation (washing dishes) on page before receiving a phone call.
Following the conversation Markus had a couple of hours before he would have picked up Reis from work. In this situation, Markus being a student, most of us would be sitting at a desk working on projects or lounging on the couch and read from a large (and heavy) text book.
It seems however, that Rukis made up for this by drawing Reis in well set every day situation (washing dishes) on page before receiving a phone call.
I personally found the transition dramatic, and that it keeps the tension going much better than if we had everything that happened dragged before us, or a brief montage.
This method of transition helps put the reader a little more into the head space of Marcus, who doesn't know what the hell happened yet. Just my two cents.
This method of transition helps put the reader a little more into the head space of Marcus, who doesn't know what the hell happened yet. Just my two cents.
Way to go Marcus. You tried to prove a point, it lead to an ill-spoken name by one of Reis' coworkers, Reis lost his temper, and now he's fired. You should have known such a chain of events could occur. Reis isn't ashamed of being gay, Reis knows that he can't calmly put up with the redicule and insults, that he will lose his temper, and his temper when ignited runs white hot, leading to repercussions. If you tried to understand things from his side, rather than push your own view and feelings onto him, this would never have happened. While it's not solely your fault Marcus, you share the blame, as this chain of events should have come to your mind. But you are so self centered with your sexuality and activism that it blinded you to your own lover.
Way to go Fennec. Let's hope you don't grab a shovel and start digging a deeper hole.
Way to go Fennec. Let's hope you don't grab a shovel and start digging a deeper hole.
Reis (with short fuse) + sexual insults = you do the math. I knew he'd get physical with the first person who brought up a slur, it was just a matter of how physical it got. And I get the impression that blood might have been shed.
No, the specific train of events wasn't obvious, but Marcus ought to have known that such was a very real possibility. You know, the equation above. Being an activist, he would know of the likelyhood of sexual insults and redicule if others saw them kissing, and if they've been together for 2+ years, than he should have a really good feel for Reis' temperment. Again, a dangerous and not too unlikely combination after that spiteful kiss.
No, the specific train of events wasn't obvious, but Marcus ought to have known that such was a very real possibility. You know, the equation above. Being an activist, he would know of the likelyhood of sexual insults and redicule if others saw them kissing, and if they've been together for 2+ years, than he should have a really good feel for Reis' temperment. Again, a dangerous and not too unlikely combination after that spiteful kiss.
Marcus is responsible for everything because his action initiated the whole thing whether or not he intended for the chain of events following to happen, but Reis isn't responsible for anything, least of all keeping his temper in check like an adult and, you know, not punching people. Okay.
That's why I didn't place responsibility solely of Marcus, I as pretty much explicitly stated. If they've been together for two years, he should have a really good feel for Reis' temper, and he of all people knows the redicule that homosexuals often face. Short temper + sexual insults...you do the math. Reis shoulders most of the burden because he did loose his temper, and quite severely by the look of it, but if Marcus had put forth a little forthought, he should have known the danger of that possibility.
I'm waiting for "I got fired for talking on my cell phone"
Of course, that would be optimistic. xD
Poor Reis though. D: Though I don't think Lou really deserved it. I don't think he used the term BECAUSE he was gay, seemed more like it slipped out as one of those words people overuse in every day conversation. Seemed more like a "OH SH- I DIDN'T MEAN TO..."
Of course, that would be optimistic. xD
Poor Reis though. D: Though I don't think Lou really deserved it. I don't think he used the term BECAUSE he was gay, seemed more like it slipped out as one of those words people overuse in every day conversation. Seemed more like a "OH SH- I DIDN'T MEAN TO..."
Its first recorded use in reference to gay men was somewhere around 1914, so it's not new at all. It's been associated with throughout the whole 20th century, I don't care what Louis CK says.
Further, it doesn't have as much social stigma as "nigger" because there still exist a lot of people that are bigoted against homosexuals. 50 years ago, "nigger" didn't have the same social stigma that it has now, so that's newer than faggoy being a perjorative for a gay man, even.
Further, it doesn't have as much social stigma as "nigger" because there still exist a lot of people that are bigoted against homosexuals. 50 years ago, "nigger" didn't have the same social stigma that it has now, so that's newer than faggoy being a perjorative for a gay man, even.
Its social unacceptibility as a pejorative is relatively new in that sense, but so is social acceptance of homosexuals. In fact, one could reasonably assert that it's now considered a pejorative bey many because of that sudden increase in tolerance. I'm confident that 40 years from now, it'll be regarded with the same level of disgust as nigger.
It IS different, whether we like it or not. Many gay people aren't that offended by the word itself, it's the tone in which it's used. Call most any black person you don't know that well a "nigger" and you will likely regret it. That said "fag" is used to describe more than just gays. It's gained alternate meanings in modern society that are less offensive and more culturally accepted in youth (and mostly youth only). Just like the term being used for gays is an alternate meaning in itself (as that's not the actual definition of the word), so is it's most common use today (which has nothing to do with gays, actually). It's used toward every race, every gender, every age, and every orientation. Tone and context is what makes it offensive. HOWEVER, calling someone a "nigger" is COMPLETELY different, and can only really be aimed at a single race... and context or not, it's offensive and it's roots branch from slavery and looking down at said race.
Not all discriminatory slang is created equally.
Not all discriminatory slang is created equally.
Perhaps a more appropriate analogy would be this: When I was growing up in the rural midwest, it was common to describe someone who just screwed you out of some money or tricked you or fucked you over in some way as having "Jewed" you, or to describe someone that does that as being a Jew. In this case, they're not using the word specifically to refer to actual Jewishness and are often using the word in reference to a person who is not actually Jewish, but refers to their apparent characteristic of being scheming and greedy. This, of course, stems from the long-held stereotype of Jews as possessing exactly those traits.
I would argue that this is almost completely similar to the way faggot is used today. Faggot is used as a term to describe someone that is weak ("Wow, he can't catch a football for shit. What a faggot."), effeminate ("Justin Bieber is such a faggot."), weird ("Is that a My Little Pony Keychain? Wow, you're a faggot."), or just otherwise undesirable. In other words, every single application of the word that comprises its "alternate" meaning actually stems from a negative stereotype about gays, just as saying someone Jewed you out of something stems from that negative stereotype about Jewish people. Hence, it's not really an alternate meaning so much as an assertion that an individual, being as they are doing something to fit the stereotype of an undesirable homosexual, must therefore be a homosexual and therefore undesirable as well. Follow?
I would argue that this is almost completely similar to the way faggot is used today. Faggot is used as a term to describe someone that is weak ("Wow, he can't catch a football for shit. What a faggot."), effeminate ("Justin Bieber is such a faggot."), weird ("Is that a My Little Pony Keychain? Wow, you're a faggot."), or just otherwise undesirable. In other words, every single application of the word that comprises its "alternate" meaning actually stems from a negative stereotype about gays, just as saying someone Jewed you out of something stems from that negative stereotype about Jewish people. Hence, it's not really an alternate meaning so much as an assertion that an individual, being as they are doing something to fit the stereotype of an undesirable homosexual, must therefore be a homosexual and therefore undesirable as well. Follow?
Yikes. One of those days where every. effing. thing. rains down on him at once? Getting canned from part-time manual labor alone doesn't warrant an expression like *THAT*. So does the call get explained in the next page?... 'cause these cliffies you keep throwing at us are brutal!
Ah you didn't need that shit job anyways, Reis. And I doubt charges being filed would amount to anything considering the sexual harassment lawsuit Reis could hit that place with for an on-the-clock employee calling him a "faggot". ...ohh man I'd sue the shit outta my employers if someone called me that.
I know how he feels. :( I want to give him a hug.
Hell, I wanted to leave my old job, and still felt like shit after I got railroaded into quitting by my superiors. I'd done nothing wrong - nothing moreso than an honest mistake, mistakes that had been mirrored by other co-workers with no disciplinary action taken (and before you ask, yes, they'd been caught in it, just were told "don't do that again" and nothing more was said).
It's just a really crappy feeling. Best thing that ever happened to me though, I'm working a job sorta like Reis' now and I am loving it. Great benefits, good people, good co-workers, I'm treated well, etc. So maybe this will work out well for him :).
Hell, I wanted to leave my old job, and still felt like shit after I got railroaded into quitting by my superiors. I'd done nothing wrong - nothing moreso than an honest mistake, mistakes that had been mirrored by other co-workers with no disciplinary action taken (and before you ask, yes, they'd been caught in it, just were told "don't do that again" and nothing more was said).
It's just a really crappy feeling. Best thing that ever happened to me though, I'm working a job sorta like Reis' now and I am loving it. Great benefits, good people, good co-workers, I'm treated well, etc. So maybe this will work out well for him :).
Three Reasons:
1) Fired due to being on the phone on the job
2) Fired due to sexuality
3) Fired due to past occurences that had required the probation officer
1) Screwed up as most places give verbal warning. Though if it wasn't his first offense, he kinda got fucked up, though would have to have a chat with his probation officer over this.
2) Screwed up as well, though since he was closeted, his job didn't know, so upon coming out, they could have disliked and gave him the boot.
3) Their fault, as when hiring, they should have done a criminal record search on him anyway.
Personally, I kinda thing its gonna be reason 2, as that would give Marcus' group reason to protest the job.
1) Fired due to being on the phone on the job
2) Fired due to sexuality
3) Fired due to past occurences that had required the probation officer
1) Screwed up as most places give verbal warning. Though if it wasn't his first offense, he kinda got fucked up, though would have to have a chat with his probation officer over this.
2) Screwed up as well, though since he was closeted, his job didn't know, so upon coming out, they could have disliked and gave him the boot.
3) Their fault, as when hiring, they should have done a criminal record search on him anyway.
Personally, I kinda thing its gonna be reason 2, as that would give Marcus' group reason to protest the job.
Although you've probably heard it before, your use of ears is always spot on. It was nice to see you bring more attention to them in this one. For anyone familiar with canines, they are such a window into their emotional state, and you use them well in every panel within your story.
As I get more into the story, Reis's reaction was exactly how I wanted him to. Yet my personal thought is: it must be hard to be one 3 letter word away from loosing your job. Gotta have a thicker skin, humility and responsibility. But i certainly understand passionate reactions. Perhaps Lou wouldnt have said that if he knew how important that call was.
Why u do dis, Reis????
Of course I understand that it was the straw that broke your back, but ouch. That's gotta suck, losing your job that you just recently had a snit with your lover about.
Still, Lou seems like a careless and rather clueless personality.
Rukis: I WUV YOUR SERIES!
Of course I understand that it was the straw that broke your back, but ouch. That's gotta suck, losing your job that you just recently had a snit with your lover about.
Still, Lou seems like a careless and rather clueless personality.
Rukis: I WUV YOUR SERIES!
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