I'm of the opinion the entire regime is batshit insane and unfortunately all too willing to drag everyone into it.

Drumpfpftfh is a cockwomble.

You know, we need some time to stop talking about the negative shit. Shit's rough, right, but giving ourselves the constant reminder of it acts as a magnet for negativity.

Last night on a variety show I watched, a guy who was born without forearms and legs was talking about how he was taught to pull positivity to himself by thinking about the positive rather than focus on the negative, even when doctors didn't expect him to get past his teen years (and now he's a father of two).

Always keep the positive in mind, but NEVER put the bad things that are actively happening out of your sight. Bad things are like rotten things; if you ignore them, they just get worse, and start to contaminate the good things until you turn and deal with them.

The line I read once and always tend to live by is 'I always expect the worst. That way, when it doesn't happen, I can be pleasantly surprised.'

Hmm. I don't think they're all stupid, though, as with all humans, a lot of them are. George Carlin had it right: 'Think of the stupidest person you know. Most people are even stupider than that.'

But I don't think all MAGAs are stupid; they're just fanatics, and you're completely right about the fact that now 'one of their own is in power' and it's making them feel free to express that darkness within them... kind of like the internet does for some people who feel the anonymity lets them show their entire ass to the world, except in real life.

The fact that he's up there on the world stage stylin' and profilin' and not giving a shit what anyone thinks has encouraged those people who were never able to do the same that they too could one day run a country or be in a position of control. The thought that this 'Icon of Sin' (Doom reference) can be dethroned would mean they would have to return to the shadows and the dark corners of the internet and their private hate meetings (hood wearing or Swastika wearing, whichever it is) and not be able to change anything. The longer they keep him there, the more he has a chance to make it so being like them is considered, if not good or great, NORMAL enough for them to never hide their true selves again.

It's a fully calculated thing. Evil, in the most direct form short of random murder or destruction. And they'll do anything at all to hold on to it, including bringing their own nation down around their ears, like a defeated anime villain blowing up their secret base with the heroes inside, knowing they can't win, but hoping to kill the heroes before they can escape.

Things have reached the point that I've been convinced for some time the Nazis are in the government *deep*. That entire 'Project 2026' thing? Yup, that's them. I almost feel one of the major reasons nothing has happened in the way of the Republicans trying to rein in Trumps madness is because of unseen threats and fear as much as anything else; possibly the same is going on for the Democrats, who have been getting handed all kinds of good reasons to push for him getting ousted, but not a peep is being heard. Of course this is just theory crafting bullshit, so don't take me as if I know anything (hopefully obviously if I'm still posting stuff).

Too many people haven't figured out they're being misled by the mainstream media hence they don't understand why they hate Trump.
Too many people also don't know that mainstream media is not American owned companies.

The best way to understand why too many people hate Trump are the actions and words of Trump himself. The "mainstream" media didn't force him to start another pointless war, to take over Venezuela for their oil, to be close to Epstein and to threaten Greenland... Plus the things published by mainstream media are all things independent media have been trying to warn people about Trump for almost a decade now.

Quote me something that makes people hate Trump then.

Did just that, his own actions and words. He is irredeemable for anyone with at least a bit sense of social responsibility or awareness. Need no mainstream media to tell me he is a complete POS when he is actively warmongering and covering for the Epstein class. When he spouts hatred towards Haitians and uses "Palestinian" as a slur, when his answer to a reporter asking about the Epstein victims was that she should smile more.

Sounds like it's Trump fanboys and former fanboys the ones who need to get in tune with what people outside Fox News and the MAGAsphere actually think.

No, you quoted things CNN said he said.

Those are the words and actions of Trump himself. If you choose to remain as the former fanboy still in denial phase, that is not of my concern.

Trump made his fortune by running businesses poorly, letting them go bankrupt, and then using the bankruptcy as a tax write off so he could keep whatever money he could salvage, screwing over his employees and investors in the process. I've seen him trying to run the country the same way, except you can't just write off the UNITED STATES as a loss for your taxes

Heh, sure, but any company that has been running at the deficit and in as much debt as the US has been for decades would have had to go through Bankruptcy long, long ago. He isn't causing it, it's been there for a hell of a long time. The punch in the face that Covid gave the entire system just accelerated it. At this point, there is NO solution that fixes the red we are in, just guesswork on exactly when it collapses.

Trump should step down and let Kamala back in. People would be happy for the couple years the dollar is still worth anything. And they could still blame the bankrupcy and third world status onto Trump, what's not to like ?

Why would we want to let the Nazi take over?

Just so people stop nagging about "Drumph is stupid and evil". Let them taste of the warmth of collectivism.

Honestly, I'd rather not, I'm kind of addicted to important things, like eating.

Is that what worries you? Wish i could be that sheltered from in real life world events and suffering.
...Or maybe not. I don't have a religion to make me ignore reality that much anyway.

To be fair, there are two reasons why MAGAs won't listen, and neither is "they're stupid and also fanatical."

The first is that they're desperate. They felt sold out, betrayed, abandoned, used and ignored. If you recall the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton's entire campaign message could be summed up as "I am the Queen! It's MY turn to be in charge! I am entitled to this, now shut up and fall in line!" Which was even worse than Obama's "Hope and change! I'm promising you hope and change and good things and pay no attention to how you're not actually getting any of those things! Just focus on my charisma and my empty words, and ignore how my policies are to the right of any Republican!"

(seriously, look at the history of the Federal minimum wage. It used to be raised every few years as habitual custom... and then Obama quietly ended that custom. And nobody talked about it, and now politicans are pretending that raising it again will be an unprecedented action that will destroy the country because socialism is bad and ooo scary commies!)

So of course they cling to Trump. Because if Trump's not their ally... then who is? They have nobody. As far as they can tell, their choices are "the orange man who sounds like a pompous buffoon," and "the people who would laugh if they found us dead in a ditch."

The second reason: all the people calling them crazy and stupid for voting for Trump. I sincerely do not understand why so many people think that hurling insults and abuse is going to convince anyone to change their opinion. Seriously, you want to talk about stupid people thinking they're smart? How about we take a look at everyone who saw the marketing campaigns for a decade's worth of video game disasters and cinematic flops, all of them consisting of "you're a stupid bigot and you need to buy the product to prove you're not!" and then said, "that sounds like the perfect way to persuade people to change their minds about a reality TV host who actually makes them feel special for once?"

"I sincerely do not understand why so many people think that hurling insults and abuse is going to convince anyone to change their opinion."
Um, did you read the editorial? It's message is that the MAGAs are NOT going to change their opinion, no matter what Trump does. It makes no difference what you say to them, so why not tell the harsh truth?
Because you're right, they have nobody. Both political parties are owned by the same cadre of billionaires. Prump managed to turn his compulsive lying into political power by telling the lies the despised and abandoned working class wanted to hear. But that was his only trick. His moronic flailing about will wreck the country, leaving the MAGAs even worse off. Along with the rest of us. Whispering sweet nothings to MAGAs will not change this.

" the MAGAs are NOT going to change their opinion." I HAVE changed opinions by talking to people in a polite and respectful fashion. That includes MAGAs. And I'm not even close to being as convincing as Daryl Davis, who has convinced hundreds actual Klansmen to give up their robes.

Calling them stupid, bigoted, fanatical but also hypocrital are all accurate things though? What happened with no more foreign wars? Or justice for Epstein victims? Those weren't "the left's" demands but their own. When they have been betrayed by their cult leader over and over and still refuse to demand accountability and keep supporting someone who is actively harmful and dangerous with his words and actions, there is no good faith argument that will make those people open their eyes. What you call that other than being fanatical? MAGA is so close to religion for a reason, the cult-like mentality is part of the movement's foundation.

And honestly, people who bought into the culture war and decided their political affiliation based on it were always hopeless. They were getting propagandized one way or another, online outrage is one thing but voting someone who was always clearly incompetent, openly racist and corrupt because there are too many videogames with black people being made? Sometimes you can't fix stupid and that's fine, but MAGA seems to take pride on standing up for the worst of the worst things humanity can represent. It's no surprising that sensible people are giving them flack for it today.

"stupid, bigoted, fanatical but also hypocrital are all accurate things though?"

Let me cut through to ask a simple question: what's YOUR solution, then? Violence? Because if you believe they're beyond hope of change or redemption, what else is there? Are you prepared to make war upon half the country's population? And if so, what makes you so certain that THEY'RE the fanatics?

Again: You genuinely believe that MAGA are a legitimate danger to the country. Your options are: persuasion, or violence. Unless you can think of another solution?

Violence should be the last resort.

Call them out whenever possible, let them feel the unrest they have created, lawfully decline service and hospitality.. Use any way which one should be allowed to show disapproval thorugh non-violent forms of resistance. I also doubt the people still supporting Trump or MAGA are "half the country's population" at this point to be honest. Those who still do regardless of being lied to over and over? That can only be defined as either fanaticism or complete idiocy.

It's not just about MAGA being a legitimate danger to the country, see ICE or pardoned capitol rioters but also Trump illegal, harmful actions taking place all over the world. He is incompetent, unlawful, corrupt and dangerous and the world is suffering because of it. It's time to take action, use all of democratic and legal tools to take Trump out of power, and if remaining MAGAs aren't helping, best they can do is get out of the way.

1: "Call them out whenever possible, let them feel the unrest," etc. The problem with that is that you're not only failing to convince them, you're also causing neutral observers to sympathize with the MAGAs, and against you. You're hardening their resolve to never give up their opinions AND you're causing others to reflect that maybe the MAGAs aren't so bad, simply because they're being harassed by a bunch of intolerant jerks. Which leads to...

2: It's highly ironic that you'd accuse MAGA of being fanatical, given the behavior of the "TDS" crowd. I was a Sanders delegate in 2016, but I've been called MAGA for saying things like "Trump is guilty of X and Y, but not Z," or "censorship laws supposedly aimed at "hate speech" WILL be used against progressives as well." Heck, I've been called MAGA (and a Putin puppet, and a bunch of other things) for criticizing Democrats from the left (remember the "$2000 checks out the door, the moment I get into office," and how it turned into "means test for months before we send out $1200 checks to SOME of the population and pretend we just gave them a massive windfall?")

It's not MAGA who have been normalizing political violence. A loooot of Americans got massively turned off by the way "antifa" celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk (whose crime was "going onto college campuses and saying things that people disagreed with."). Claiming that anyone who disagrees with the group is "just as bad as the enemy," and using violence to suppress political speech you disagree with? That's the OPPOSITE of "anti-fascist." That's being a Brownshirt.

3: Trump's bad, but he's not that bad. He's not even close to being the worst. And the more the fanatics on the left scream about Trump being Hitler's reincarnation and also the antichrist, the more it repels everyone outside the echo chambers. Look up the name Henry Kissinger, and the horrific things he was responsible for - and how he, and people like him, dominated the Federal government for half a century. In the 21st century alone we had POTUSes who ran TORTURE PROGRAMS. One tortured civilians because they were suspected terrorists. His successor tortured whistleblowers because snitches get stitches.

And despite the claims that Trump is trying to distract from the Epstein files, everything we've seen thus far indicates that the only real secret Trump wants to hide is that he was the only oligarch that Epstein DIDN'T invite onto his rape island. Trump was apparently the unpopular guy who wasn't allowed to come to the orgies... but everybody else was (and "everybody else" means "pretty much everybody in Hollywood, every executive of a Fortune 500 company, and every politician in D.C.").

Ah of course you're a late MAGA/Trump apologist.. I don't waste my time with your types. You think it's still time to hold debate clubs even when Trump is on the verge of starting world war 3, bombing schools full of children on Iran, killing civilians while illegally deposing and kidnapping presidents from foreign nations and likely planning even more invasions as we speak.

You ignore evidence and facts which are obvious for most of the world already. There are testimonies of Epstein victims involving Trump directly, we have the letters of Epstein himself to Trump describing how close both were to eachother (closer than any figure from Hollywood or politician) and also ignore the fact the regime has been redacting names of perpetrators while leaving victims exposed. You keep falling for the coverup and lies no matter what because the one thing you're afraid of is actually admitting the people who were most proactively against Trump being the ones who were actually in the right.

Also real talk, Charlie Kirk had it coming. Maybe don't spread KKK propaganda and hatred against LGBT and minorities for a living while also being close to a pedo-fascist authoritarian oligarch like Trump then find surprising the violence you propagate through hate speech and ideology escalates to real life consequences and people not showing empathy towards you.

We are done here anyway, F**k ICE, F**k MAGA and mostly important, F**k Trump and the Axis of Epstein.

I see that Ryvalt proved my point... not only by calling someone to the LEFT of them a MAGA, but also by screaming that Charlie Kirk deserved to die for exercising freedom of speech, and repeating a bunch of claims have been thoroughly debunked outside their echo chamber... and then blocking me because people like Ryvalt quite literally have no ability to deal with people who disagree with them, if violence isn't an option.

He's not disagreeing with you, the possibility that he's wrong cannot occur to him because he values the opinions of his peers over any factual information that proves him wrong.

Maybe show them how a group they already despise, say, Chinese communists, use cult brainwashing that is similar to what they have experienced as part of the high pressure cult of personality they are in. https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind.....-pdf-download/ The playbook varies very little between cults.
Don't attack the leader, don't attack the doctrine, just the methods of control.

Those are some unfortunately useful terms...

Time for digital detox. Fresh air and sunlight.