I like your work in general. I'm not a fan of muscles over other stuff, but I like your work.

What he said.

WELL...I have always liked your art.I been looking at it for years. Generally I am not into the whole muscle furry thing, but your are seem to be different. It doesn't come grotesque to me, so I like it. Most furs I know say they don't like your art, but thats just a matter of taste. Do what you enjoy man. The second you start drawing to pander to the masses you become a failure.

This won't sound genuine now that you've said that, but you're definitely in my favourite furry artists for muscle stuff.

No, really.

Your stuff is musclelicious. Who cares what some gym queens think? Pfft, I say.

Pfft!

The only reason my favs aren't plastered with your work is you've only had like eight postings in the last year. Unfortunately, Internet Popularity requires a steady churn of new content to maintain.

Also, when I think of your art, I don't think "Muscle fur", I think "fucking hot". Your proportions are much more natural and lack the hyper-build style i usually associate with "Muscle Art". Your drawings are muscular, but the muscles aren't the focus, they're just part of the overall hotness, if that makes any sense.

Yeah I was gonna say, you can only get so much popularity when your art is in short supply D:

Beachfox stole my post before I even started.
Well, the second half, anyway. But seriously.
Take beachfox's second paragraph and you have what I would have said, but in better words. >.< :P

Aw, hey, I've been liking your stuff since forever, so let me throw some coinage in: Your guys have some real mass to them, while... I dunno, some "muscle fans" must've developed a thing for the whole wasp-waisted cartoon strongman aesthetic back when they were 13 (if they're any older than that now). So it may be that the particular crew you've fallen in with there soaked up those folk and the rest of them are lurkin' someplace else. I don't think you're alone in that aesthetic [I hope not!] but you're going to have to snurfle around the intersection of muscle/macro/hyper - if other 'fetishes' are anything to go by, Yahoo alone probably has a dozen groups for each and as many for combinations thereof. I can't imagine you don't have an audience preexisting out there, even if I don't know exactly where to look. (Maybe that's what the 'bigfurs' scene is about? I've seen the phrase around but haven't looked into it.)

FA-wise, it's a fact of life that people who keep stuff showin' up on the front page or in others' faves are going to get more attention. So while we all wouldn't mind more bajr art... well, hey there, you did toss up some new stuff and you've already got more than 100 faves on it! Was just gonna say, as stuff sinks to the 30th page of people's favorites, it's harder for the new kids to stumble on it (unless they happen to catch it by a keyword search, I guess!).

And having embarked on this "fave everything I like" project, I'm noticing that a lot of stuff I like - and that plenty of others like, if fchan demand is any indicator - doesn't catch nearly as many faves as I'd expect (especially compared to the power of the Teen Girl Squad on the latest sparkly-vampire-as-a-fox doodle!). I think part of it is that people feel awkward about faving the entirety of an artist's catalog - having done that recently, it's a lot of clicking! - and part is that a lot of people are looking and just haven't gotten into the whole watchstalk-and-fave thing. But dude, you've got like two thousand fans watching - that's a lot of deck chairs, you're doing fine!

"Straight" is "screw them".

The "furry muscle" community is a niche. A niche that thrives on subject over skill. It doesn't matter if someone draws like a six-year-old with a degenerative nerve disorder, they will fap to oversized muscles, even if half of them aren't even in the right places.

If your ego thrives on the praise of a bunch of horny nitwits who can't tell good artwork from derivative crap, then I'd say you were due for a change of scenery, to be quite honest. I know I don't show up on any of those "favorite artist" lists over there, and I know for a fact that I am not on ANYONE'S "favorite artist" lists on their profiles over here. But I move on. I keep drawing. I have bigger things to concern myself with than what people here think of me.

Do what you want to do. Your audience will come. But really, don't try to impress people here, because they see and think with their penises and not their eyes and brains. Draw what makes you happy, and you'll be happier for it.

So that's me giving it to you straight.

You have some of the most solid looking art work i've seen, and your the only person who draws paws that i can say look good. :V


as for them...fuck em.

Can't say I know for sure what constitutes "muscle art" but I like your work. Huge bonus points for unusual/less popular species (otters!) that actually look like they should. In my limited experience, it's difficult to get positive comments of any sort, so don't take silence to mean you're not appreciated.

-M.

If it makes you feel any better, the one guy who listed me was just trying to suck up.

You're definitely on my list of Top 10 favorite furry muscle artists. I would definitely try and get a commission from you if you ever opened up.

However, like what was said above, a lack of creating artwork puts a hamper on people's opinions.

Also, I feel that you're stuff is lower on the "Furry Buff-o-meter" The guys you draw are very realistic in size, and there's nothing wrong with that. But being so realistic (yaknow, for animals walking upright and wearing clothes) the art is almost to the point where I would consider them more "General Adult" than "Muscle-Adult"

i remember seeing hot badger dudes from you ;D

Actually ive been watching your art work for yrs and i like it so far.

I personally really like your art and think you are a talented artist.

Still watching. Draw your conclusions.

I'm watching and like your art because it's well done and isn't over the top.

I like your art. It really hot and smex. Wish you'd post more. ^^

I'm honestly a bit surprised that this is even an... issue? I never imagined you as the sort to give a damn about such things.

Then again I also imagined that you traded in your feelings for the ability to melt steel with your disapproving glare, so I guess it just goes to show that you never can tell!

It is just a flesh wound. Lift your head up, right now mister.

Man I ain't on the top of anyone's list either and you don't see me complaining.

You're definitely one of the best, certainly one of my favs. You are just forgotten about sometimes, because you don't put out as much art as some of the others.

What Furry Muscle Forum is this??? It's obvious they suck, hon.

ATTENTION!! I just want to let people know that my comment has been singled out from all these other negative comments by a few people from that forum because I said, "What Furry Muscle Forum is this??? It's obvious they suck, hon."

I have received several PMs (or maybe I SHOULD say "PMS"s) from people, berating my commentary. ONLY a one-line comment over those on here who commented more than I did, and I think every one of your comments are VALID and YOUR OWN BELIEFS. It's important that you express what you believe. Pissy Badger was looking for uplifting comments and honest critiques.

Pissy Badger is a wonderful artist. For him to get upset about this shows one thing: Jealousy in the furry fandom is rampant. I don't know WHAT happened in the forum (I don't even KNOW WHAT FORUM IT IS, nor do I care), but ganging up on one artist is definitely nasty in my book.

SO this next comment is directed to those people who feel the need to slam someone else just to build themselves up. There is ROOM for all different kinds of art in the Furry Fandom. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean YOU need to denigrate another artist. If you can't PLAY NICE and agree to disagree at times, then you should most definitely KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELVES.

And besides, when did the word "suck" ever upset a furry??? LOLZ

Waay too much drama on these things, methinks. PB is a great artist and the mate of a dear friend of mine. He shouldn't be ganged up on any more than anyone else. I second Din's comments all the way, NOT just because he's my mighty muscled moose mate but he put it all in perspecive and with no prejudices.

*big hugs* Awwww.. thanks :)

Here here!

Thank you for your words *big hugs*

I actually got a chance to see what all the brohaha was all about: People commenting on their favorite artists, I believe. And it was where I thought it was posted. Meh. We left that site awhile ago. Personal issues.

MuscleWolf and I never made anyone's list, either. Tell PB that all it is is a matter of taste. There are so many good artists out there, in so many different styles. Clean, Erotic, Porn, MPron (mega porn - YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! USE IT! NO CHARGE!!!), there's enough to go around for anyone. Don't forget Written Art, Music, 3 dimensional, 3D graphics, Theater pieces, and Podcasts, too.

Of course I'm going to get criticized again here because I think the best art done in the fandom is done by women. From a Professor's viewpoint.

"MuscleWolf and I never made anyone's list, either."

Actually, you did ;)

Moi????

Well yeah, in the thread that started it, of all places.

Hey, I'm +watchin' ya, ain't I? :)

That said, as a few people mentioned above, one of the best ways to build popularity and notoriety (aside from skillz) is to produce and post are as frequently or as regularly as possible. I know it gets rough sometimes to try to keep up with that, but, short attention spans are short, and it's easy to slip from people's minds.

I personally don't follow many "furry muscle" groups. Don't get me wrong -- I have plenty of friends and chat to a lot of people in them ... but my own personal range of what interests me seems actually rather narrow, so I just watch or follow the particular artists I like. ^.^

I think it could be because, while your characters are buff, they are not "super-ultra-giga-ripping buff", nor are they constantly flexing muscles and posing in tiny bikinis with equally "super-ultra-giga" schlongs, which seems to be what a lot of furs into muscle are into -- or at least that's the impression I seem to get from the postings on FA.

Meh. I like the way you draw muscles, so hopefully that is saying something.

You seem to hold back from getting characters hyper, which sometimes is odd in that we're talking a fantasy character in the first place. Anthropomorphic kangaroo or what have you. Already we know a kangaroo can eviscerate a human with a single kick. Humans tend to not have that strength in their legs.

So, in some senses, anthropomorphic characters (at least of some species) can be hypermuscular to some degree, or are expected to become so much bigger than humans can become. Your characters always seem to sport a physique a human could have (if they had those animalistic features). That is if this were one of the most buff humans alive, or at the best possible human potential.

I think this is your preference, to try and make "realistic" buff characters, where I'm saying this is an oxymoron. They are fantastic from the get-go, so you're sort of applying an unnecessary restriction on the dimensions and depiction of some of them.

Minotaurs, (or Tauren if you will), Werewolves, Orcs, even certain Dragons are meant to be hyper powerful and I'm unsure if I've seen too many examples of the hyper size from you that is analogue to (thinking) rippedsaurian as an example.

I just may have a crappy memory and remember the simpler of your works.

Pros:

Good muscle definition
Fairly realistic muscle placement (on a scale of 1-10, you're a 6.5 on anatomical realism)
Anatomically correct species (usually)
Action pieces (not just pinups)
Variety of species

Cons:
Very little art
Slow art production
Unpopular species (Arguable if you should change this. I say no)
Hypertrophic genitals (Turnoff for all but the hardcore fetishist crowd)
Excessively muscles (not realistic for 'normal' muscles)
Not excessive enough (Does not appeal to hypertrophic fans, which are very very vocal. They like guiness-level muscles and up)


Additional tips/ideas for expanding popularity:
Pick a target audience and focus on it. Find out what they like and concentrate on it. (Good start here!)
Draw either only popular species, especially Rule 34 (Renamon, Krystal, Pokemon, Digimon, Balto, etc.)
Accept comissions for relatively cheap ($25-40 is the 'norm' range people go for, depending on the complexity.)
Offer contests (Kiribans are the most popular and common)
Find an experienced, professional PR and/or Art Manager (Not necessarily me)
Draw a wider range of species. (Some species attract 'woodwork' fans, such as Thylacines and Fossas. I know these two communities well and they are exceptionally close-knit, to the degree that within a week of a new thylacine fursona, two dozen of us are watching them!)
Don't shy from extreme stuff (However you may want to avoid scat, 'fat furs', cubs, or anything particularly disturbing.)
Complex Scenes (Extremely large mural scenes are a LOT of work, but tend to get attention.)
Make Desktops (Upload images specifically sized to be used as desktops. Most popularly, 1024x768, 1280x800, and 1280x960. These three will target 99% of the desktop sizes out there. Sizes larger/smaller but in the same aspect ratio can be resized with little or not image quality degredation.)
Joint Effort (Find an artist you like and do a collaborative work. Combine the best of your talents. This works especially well if they are very popular and/or famous.)
Never piss of your customers


NEVER PISS OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS


I can't stress this one enough. It's entirely too easy to make rants targeting a demographic (cubfurs, zoophiles, etc.) that you are disgusted by. And such a rant may be justified, however it's effects can be an inadvertant and terrible backlash on you, as the demographic more often than not turns out larger than you expected. I can name a lot of artists who ran their business into the ground that way. Especially be wary of ranting about 'animal cocks' and 'zoophiles', as this is almost always taken the wrong way, and opens up disaster. You may not wish to deal with such customers, but you should handle it on a case by case basis and avoid public denouncement- Many customers you would happily deal with and not offend you may think you're targetting them, even if you are not.



I've had some experience managing PR and selling art, CDs, and comissions. I am not a (good) artist myself, though Ferox tells me I color wonderfully. I'm just an idea guy.
I'd be happy to offer free advice. Just note, or IM me anytime with questions.

It's okay, dude. We're all here for the animal cock.

Bubble Muscle . . . that is all

*introduces you to pussy?* I'm not sure what it is you're looking for...

Don't worry about it. Musclefurs tend to like musclefur artists. It's a particular style... sometimes overexaggerated, sometimes just regular exaggerated...

But regardless, you're still on my list. So take that.

You just don't draw enough.

There are pros and cons to you, just like any other artist. Overall your work is especially good and I'm pretty damn sure that fact hasn't eluded you. You have all the basics down and beyond, you have your own unique and recognizable style, plus you color your own work well and don't leave behind pointless sketches. But this isn't about you being good, it's about you just want to be someone's "favorite" muscle artist? I suppose that's understandable since it's just about all that you draw. You've found your niche and don't really want to branch outside of it. Most artists are guilty of that and in all honesty sticking to what you know isn't such a bad thing. To nitpick, I'd say your style isn't really cartoon-ish enough to still be drawing three fingers and a thumb. There is no question that you are talented, but the talent that you have is no longer expanding.

At the heart of things, that's your problem. You can't expect to blow people away without getting any better. It isn't a problem that you draw infrequently or that you stick to muscular males, but that you simply don't seem to want to improve/change what you know. Take something you drew recently compared to something you did years and years ago, the differences are minimal. I've been watching your art for a LONG time and I do not notice much change either. You decided to go with comfort over challenging yourself and while there is absolutely nothing wrong with that choice, I can assure you it is keeping you from being someone's "favorite". You were a good artist years ago, you're a good artist now, and you'll probably still be good before I can even match your ability. However, if you want to join a brand new group and have your reputation proceed you, then you need to start working on improving your ability.

I personally see nothing wrong with what you are doing and I'm completely content with your abilities as an artist, but we're not talking about what I want. It all depends on what you want.

Hm. I know I'm pretty much nobody, and why you should listen to me I don't know. BUT, I only watch ppl who's art I think is fkn fantastic, and you're one of them. I think you're a great artist.

I think you have to decide why you're drawing. If you're drawing to find yourself on people's top lists and favorites, then yeah I suppose pander to them. But if you're drawing because it brings you pleasure doing something you're damn good at and you just want to share that with other people, then ignore those lists and do what you do. God knows, you do it damn well.

Peace + love to you.

I am a nobody, thats watches just anybody(almost). I like to see good to great looking artwork... though I freely admit that I have my own, bodily and play-of-choice; fetishes.

I love your nicer pieces, your style: seems Big&Bold yet soft-on-edges, almost dreamy to me.
I love that you show Big chara's as either: singles in pin-ups, or couples in scenes containing power-play/bondage and/or size deference. ... and wish that you'd more one on one, or even group pic's.


though I still remember that you used to do some gore and/or death stuff too, and that was what had kept me from watching you for a while, though that is just a matter of personal distaste on my part, and has nothing to do with your quality, skill, and/or abilities as an artist, it only has to do my dislike of those destructive fetishes...

though I know that true measure if any artist is: how well that one can; create or recreate something of good detail and form, from something else or from nothing but raw materials; not what that something is. ... and you fit into that measure, from what I have seen, weather I disliked or loved the subject that was being shown in said picture or not.

You're one of my favorites. But maybe that's because I always suspected you were the guy who wrote those awesome gay furry stories, like "Bitch Boy." The author's name was Badger too. (Are you him?)

You draw really great and your stuff has a lot of character. Maybe if you learn to photoshop like a god then people will flock to you faster. But otherwise just keep doing what you've been doing.

I feel a lot like you do about my own art. I'm a long way from being on anyone's top 10 list, but I know I just have to keep persevering.

I personally like it & I think that you should still do art, there's always someone to enjoy it :)

You gotta produce to be in their lists. You're still on my list because you can dent steel with your chin.

Nah, screw those lists, dude. You're Pissy Badger. You don't need anyone's approval.

Amen, GG

Totally agree! :)

Just cause you didnt make the list didnt mean you werent good by a long shot. I even stated that there were more that i couldnt think of at the moment n.n;; Half the time i can barely remember my own character descriptions n.n;; Besides only 7 people responded to the post out of over 500 members n.n;; You are a great artist and i'm sure you have quite a following here and on other art sites you belong to so try not to let one small site thats been in the process of getting back off the ground after a restart get to you. :3

Hey guy, I know how you feel about being fan popular artist. But you got to realize one thing, it is about the opinion of one fan to the next fan. You still have to believe in your own artwork and the vision on how you present it.

The best thing to do is to put that "EGO thingy" on the side and just have fun doing the artwork.

If you want the fan popularity from the fans, just do one simple thing.

Use your favs, views, or opinions of the fans. If it is a little, you might need to explore and improve the vision of the artwork. If you get a ton, then your on the right track in were your artwork is going.

That is how you try to find your place in the art field. That is how comic book, fantasy, D&D, artist do it.

So don't give up on your work!!! It's Great!! I'm a fan of your work as well.

SO KEEP ON DRAWING!!!!!!!