Hiding Comments, Flash -AND- Gwen
15 years ago
I like the fact that we can now hide comments. It's something that really sort of stops people from all having to endure really akward moments in an otherwise enjoyable engagement. I think a lot of us- especially Americans- get caught up in this idea that the Internet is the US, and that we all have freedom of speech online. The fact is, we don't. We're taking advantage of somebody else's generosity, and we really tend to lose sight of that.
Another good thing about it is that this should quash some of the lazy trolling fad that's so prevalent anymore. If I see another "lolz inb4 urmad furfaghurdur" it'll be entirely too soon. I mean, it's one thing to have a clever snipe at someone, but it's entirely another to just stupidly regurgitate garbage in someone's face. At least now there's a way to ebb the flow of that.
In other news, Flash has again become the focus of a project I'm working on, and as a result, I am going even further insane than previously established. The eraser doesn't work on every kind of stroke, the paint bucket is fickle as hell... and SERIOUSLY, can I just turn my little loop of keyframes into a movieclip and have it behave as an object?? Is that really so much to ask? This application was written by followers of Dagon, because after twenty minutes, I want to throw myself into the sea. I can understand wanting to serve people who can't draw frame by frame, but I. Fucking. CAN.
I was also thinking lately... Dear Abbie is still going despite the real Abbie being dead as a doornail. But when I'm gone, Ask Dr. Gwen will go with me. I can't quite explain why this bothers me. I'm not like other artists, who pour their soul into their work and hope one day to be loved and accepted and successful because of it- I'm pretty much just someone who has a lot of fun with it. So the idea that I've created something that I actually wish was less mortal than I am... well, it's kind of surprising. And disorienting. Your thoughts?
Another good thing about it is that this should quash some of the lazy trolling fad that's so prevalent anymore. If I see another "lolz inb4 urmad furfaghurdur" it'll be entirely too soon. I mean, it's one thing to have a clever snipe at someone, but it's entirely another to just stupidly regurgitate garbage in someone's face. At least now there's a way to ebb the flow of that.
In other news, Flash has again become the focus of a project I'm working on, and as a result, I am going even further insane than previously established. The eraser doesn't work on every kind of stroke, the paint bucket is fickle as hell... and SERIOUSLY, can I just turn my little loop of keyframes into a movieclip and have it behave as an object?? Is that really so much to ask? This application was written by followers of Dagon, because after twenty minutes, I want to throw myself into the sea. I can understand wanting to serve people who can't draw frame by frame, but I. Fucking. CAN.
I was also thinking lately... Dear Abbie is still going despite the real Abbie being dead as a doornail. But when I'm gone, Ask Dr. Gwen will go with me. I can't quite explain why this bothers me. I'm not like other artists, who pour their soul into their work and hope one day to be loved and accepted and successful because of it- I'm pretty much just someone who has a lot of fun with it. So the idea that I've created something that I actually wish was less mortal than I am... well, it's kind of surprising. And disorienting. Your thoughts?
I have to agree with you on the hiding comments thing. Long overdue feature.
Man, I wouldn't even care if this wasn't all to make it easy on the programmer.
I've got half a mind to just draw all the frames, organize them and let the programmer group them up. I'm separating by layers, so meh.
Or animating in Photoshop?
Flash, I have no experience with. Flashing however...
And as for taking Ask Dr. Gwen with you... Well I suppose that's natural. You enjoy doing it, and it's your little thing, but I don't know if I'd call it a "project." Most people with huge projects, want said projects carried out to some form of completion. I don't think Ask Dr. Gwen has a sort of "completion" to it that a project might have.
*Gives you a great, big, hug.*
Flash - Yikes. :x
Ask Dr. Gwen - I can understand how you feel about that. But you're 23 (going by your profile page) - you aren't going to kick the bucket anytime soon. ANd if you want Ask Dr. Gwen to keep going, someone else might be able to take up the mantle.
Dagon? Moloch's warmer.
An absolutely adorable little girl needs you Nori! Don't neglect her~! <3 X3
Then there's also the issue of how it is very much an anathema to what FA is supposed to be ; an art community. All this does is encourage further the hugbox mentality that has plagued this site since its creation, and it's not like comment hiding is really effective in squashing trolls. Come on, you've been on DA, you know how it is.
Suffice to say, this, along with the block user feature, is not something I would ever see myself using unless the personal safety of myself and those around me is compromised.
Furthermore, everyone wants to be immortalized in some way or another. Remembered by future generations, as a testament to one's own accomplishments. Sort of like a "Hey, I was here" kind of mentality.
Those are my two cents anyway, though that's what I genuinely think about it. ^_^;
I can understand the difficulties with Flash I use to work with it,but I stopped some time ago.
as for your project,though I may not know precisly waht you're getting at,if this is a project you plan on finishing up,I say go forward with it =)
and have you checked out some of the tutorials for flash on youtube. those are pretty cool.
and finally i have something to say about editing an removing comments *the rest of this sentence has been removed by an administrator*....... bout time huh
As for Gwen... I suppose once you
dieget tired of her, you could find a very trusted, like-minded friend to become her. Or pass on the mantle to an entirely different psychology-minded character, sort of a Dr. Phil to your Oprah.Just like the ability to hide comments can be construed as a type of censorship, the inability to hide comments can be construed as a misplaced sense of entitlement on the other end. I see so many late-teen-to-early-twenties on here just expecting that their hate-filled/rude/unrestrained diatribes should be taken without complaint; a hilariously naïve notion. The fact is, if you want to criticize someone, you have to learn how to criticize them, or you might as well have never said a thing- because they'll never consider what you had to say. And let's be real, far too often the criticism is just an emotional release for the person doing it. If you want someone to listen, you have to learn people skills- you don't just get to tell everyone how things are because you're older or think you're mature or something.
This is the thing that gets lost on so many here, and this is why we hear the word 'hugbox' thrown around so much. Ultimately, if someone is just too stubborn to listen, there's nothing you'll be able to do about it until they have life kick them in the ass and wake up. If someone kicks you out of their discussion, you start your own in your space- which everyone still has.
You may not think so, but the opinion of everyone is valuable in some way, some greater then others, but valuable all the same. It gives you a piece of insight as to where you stand in certain areas according to others, and when it comes to appraising the quality of the body of your work, it acts as a good safeguard against complacency. Would it not be an act of extreme hubris and arrogance to assume with complete certainty that their "hate-filled/rude/unrestrained diatribes" could not possibly a case of gross misunderstanding? A person's point of view isn't perfect after all.
For the record, some of the closest friends I have now are those whom I have clashed the most fiercely with in the past, and yes, we were about as headstrong as nuclear blast shields at the time. That should give you an idea as to why I patently disagree with what you have to say in the last paragraph.
What you're talking about is pure idealism. Of course everybody should listen to everyone even if they're rude, but the point is that not everyone does- are they not entitled to the lesson just because they don't want to have someone be a dick about it? They're not wrong to be more sensitive than other people- they're just more sensitive. As it turns out, there's more than one path in life. On the same token, is it really such a terrible sacrifice to be diplomatic? If you only take on people when it's easy for you, you're guilty of exactly the same thing.
Of course, I am not calling for the complete abolishment of diplomacy, that was never a part of my argument. There is no reason I can't have both.
Also for the record, I take on pretty much everyone even if it's hard for me. What are you trying to insinuate here?
FA is the community which sets the rules of this particular forum; each person's page is a part of that community, not so much its own walled garden. Everyone plays by FA's rules, and everyone's page uses FA's template. FA granted users the privilege to block out people's comments on their page without regards to FA's own rules. That's a perk for the users, not an entitlement. It's still an entitlement for the user to be able to say pretty much whatever they want on another user's page as long as it doesn't violate the TOS. And, if it weren't against the TOS, the user would rightfully be called out on their opinion if it was harrassing or disrespectful. That doesn't change their right to say it, under the rules of the community, despite how you might feel about it. It was always your right to call them out on their rude or disrespectful behavior.
Both of the aforementioned actions, by the way, are actions granted to you by either your natural rights (in the case of real life) which are enforced by whichever governing authority you happen to live under, or ones granted to you with nearly no limitations on the terms online by the moderators of the particular venue which you choose to express yourself. I see FA as a large forum, since for nearly all intents and purposes, you still defer to the admins and moderators of FA when you have trouble on "your page" on FA. It is still FA's venue, and therefore your ability to hide comments and block people from your page is merely a privilege the FA admins grant the users. It is not something they are equally entitled to, as a user is entitled to participate in this community, as it could easily be taken away at any time, and it is more limited in its scope than the (somewhat limited) right to free expression in the FA community as a whole.
If you know programming, you can probably appreciate the analogy making the semantic distinction between a right (in terms of an internet venue) and a privilege. Many online venues choose to allow you no rights, but FA's approach attempts to make a point of allowing free expression with only limited terms of service to narrow the otherwise global scope. The local scope of the privileges granted to a user on their page is not a completely separate prototype of the larger FA community, nor is FA simply an abstract base from which the user's pages derive. They both operate on the larger community as a whole, and that is why there is a semantic distinction between what you're allowed to do with your page, and what OTHER users on FA visiting your page are allowed to do.
So basically, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have the entitlement, but rather that we should appreciate its presence a little more.
Oh, those silly people.
This is the last place you'll ever hear a shred of intelligent criticism as is, and I've seen it to be rare as furries by nature love cowering from reality. If you played Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, that game's a second opinion on what happens when your faith in other people and unwillingness to confront adversity goes awry. The last people qualified to decide what negative reinforcement they need are furries, considering they avoid it with determination they really need to apply to STDs instead.
Every furry I've met practices this passive aggression. I've encountered but one who succeeded at university and he had fewer social skills than there are working 360s, and bore spite for nearly everyone he couldn't understand. Meanwhile I'm rockin' a decent education and have several tens of good friends, a good deal (Thank god) not furry. All this feature really does is erase an occurrence with a needed purpose that's never tapped into. And is still rare even if abused to troll. They'll hide insight far more regularly, purely because they inhibit the same sense of inflated entitlement you say the trolls have.
I provoke the notion that you're slow in the head and recommend sexual intercourse with a switchblade. I'm not giving you the liberty of hiding a separate post that says you eat dicks so I'll say it here and lmao as you have the ultimatum of disregarding the whole message because of an insult. Any other furfag would. Rock on.
Look, people are not connected physically. A bond is not known by word, intent transcends the hollow pride most weak people hide behind. A real person judges insight as a greater observer and not as a person on the receiving end. What does it add to the discussion? Is an argument valid? Does it seem like they're honest or trolling? The people who know me know I speak a lot with silence. It can work with people who know you.
If you see an insult, ignore it! Goddesses, you have eyes don't you? Plastic ones that assign to every bit of art you do and they sure are wide, so use them.
I am not my hard drive. I am not my computer. I am not my modem. I should be able to say what the fuck I want, sticks and stones.
If a parent takes your vidya away because you're a ten year old boy refusing to sleep at night before school because of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2, it's because they love you. How the fuck does trolling equate evil? Trolling always existed, but the word might as well be new to most people. If people can miss out on a needed definition for something regular, is it so blasphemous to assume they can overlook how trolling's a godsend for growth?
Also, your assertion about furries is about as cliché as it is old and tired. Trolls are the heroes, furries are the crying boo-hoo babies, yeah, we get it, fun stuff. Except that it's a line that's been fed to everyone and it's just as bullshit as the brainless feelgood messages that those on the other side like to propagate.
Strategy without intellect is worthless.
Intellect without strategy is pointless.
You need both to get ahead.
Anyway, you cannot confuse something as broad as an age group with the admitted subjectivity of my personal experiences - with a culture. A culture is often far more specific than a tenth of the entire human race. Roughly that many are late teens to early twenties.
You missed the entire point of my post too. The idea is that the worst judge of if a child should be punished for setting a cat on fire is the child. The problem with this whole bullshit is that drama queens have a reason to ignore criticism.
Describing myself fucking your mom will never incite it to happen no matter how much she wants it. My penis will not leap out of the screen. I am not my modem or hard drive. A person should learn to face the music and get past words on a screen that do nothing to them, it will help them learn when someone's opinion is to be discounted and otherwise learn to face critique. What part of 'people can regularly be immature and make bad moderators' don't you get for crying out loud?
At the least make hiding or fuck it deletion apply entirely to the person doing it, but not erase the post for others. Maybe even have guests able to store a hide cookie. That'd rock. That way, if it's an opinion everyone disagrees with they'll hide it themselves! Yumyum.
Yo attempt to save me time imma let you finish but me being able to choose what posts I wanna see was the best possibility of all time. Of all time.
I saw your point before you made it, and long ago cast it as irrelevant in this regard- not lightly, either. The problem with this entire thought is that ultimately, those people wouldn't listen to you if you were right in front of them on the subway, cornered and miced through the PA. They, and all others like them, will either hide in obscurity, or eventually get their metaphorical ass kicked, and have to realize things on their own terms. This is not something we can control regardless of any kind of expression we can personally take- and I say that from the perspective of somebody actually trying to help people.
Anything else is a delusion of grandeur, or a justification for personal self-indulgence of misanthropy.
Plenty of people you try to help won't ever grow with conventional therapy because they neurologically are incapable of it. Autism, psychopathy, schizophrenia. Pick even one and therapy is rendered helpless. There are others who have problems only their own will can solve. And some still need the type of negative reinforcement to grow that you cannot provide them. You must recognize we are all calculated meatbags, but as calculated meatbags we can be born talentless, unremarkable, at the mercy of our genes.
I'm not one of these people - half way perhaps. To rebel against it all isn't to be a misanthrope, it's to escape a pre ordination you want to get the hell away from.
It's just as useless to be kind as it is to be nasty in that sense, both really affect people in superficial ways. But they contribute bit by bit to self reflection and growth. Even so this is a dumb idea - since you're in the same place you started no matter what you say, what about that option to see any hidden comment. Huh. What about THAT.
I certainly like her a lot ^^
It's a funny, bothersome thought that I've been trying to think of a solution to.
Everything else I agree with 100%.
Obviously it doesn't work for me.
If I click on one of MY responses - it WILL disappear.
*scratches head*.
Y'know, FA has had a feature where you can delete other people's shouts from your userpage. They've had it forever, but I can't remember anyone ever complaining about that.
As for comment deletion on people's front pages, no one complains about it, because people who want to be heard don't comment on the front page. And it doesn't make sense for criticisms of a specific submission to be put on someone's front page anyway.
You think these people shouldn't have the power to delete comments from their submissions and journals? First of all, who are you, their daddy? Their art teacher? Second, on any other blog/forum site worth its salt, they already have that power, and have for years. Yet nobody sees this as a problem.
If it wasn't for the art style, you could no doubt hand it over to someone you trust. Maybe make a stable of reaction shots and just have them fill in the rest.
As far as flash goes, I found some tutorials but I'm half expecting you've checked these already. The onion skinning sounds interesting.
http://www.awdsf.com/courseware/fla.....e_by_frame.htm
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/l.....on/part04.html
And with the Gwen thing, a diary/sketchbook thing or other such "bible" might be good as a reference if someone were to continue drawing her. If nothing else it could just be a place to draw/write every little thing down when it comes to you, that way there's something down even if it isn't a full comic or idea...
On other forums and blogs, such as LiveJournal, people have had the ability to hide and delete comments for years now, and as far as I can tell, those places haven't gone up in smoke or turned into nothing but "hugboxes" or whatever some people seem to think this place will do.
As for Dr. Gwen... Well, she's more than just your average creation- witnessing the fact the fact you created an account exclusively for her. People respond, often on a very deep and personal level to her, she helps them, and she's taken a life of her own- she borders on being her own person.
Except she's not, really- but she's so close that it makes it tragic that she has to end with you.
As far as Gwen is concerned, you just need someone to adopt her before she outlives you.