Understandable.

There we go. Now I can agree with your journal 100% again. Wolfblade is a very smart, and controlled, man for not letting this upset him more than a "wtf? Again, FA admins?" reaction.

Hope I helped too, and didn't just make you mad with my "see it from their perspective" essay.

Not at all! I was just trying to let you know how I'd come to my feelings on the subject.

Indeed. And ya' did a good job of that, though I knew 94% of it before you said it. :D

i just got done fighting that bullshit cencership law they tryed to pass into congress.


do I trust you? yes

Do i trust wolfblade? yes

statement Or I get angry face!


End of Line.

let's let the drama die, it is for the best, I tells ya

*gives you painkiller of choice*

I'm on board with you guys. Cooler heads do prevail. I have a feeling I'm going to be ignoring a LOT of journals this holiday season.

Dragoneer had probably wanted to simply not say anything regarding the matter in the scenario that they choose to not ban it. In that case, there'd be no point to mention it at all in the first place and 100% of the drama is avoided. It simply didn't work out that way. It's not really your fault for having done anything. Still, you're smart enough to do what you think is right, so I'm behind you.

Fuck, do I wish I'd had more information at the start of this. If I'd known Dragoneer's reasons at the time he took my petition down, I'd have been like, 'Okay, you were a tad rude, but you've got a point'. And if I'd known how damn headachey this whole business would be, I wouldn't have even posted the petition. <headdesk>

My calmness was enhanced by the serenity of "Well, this could mean more business for my friends at Inkbunny."

Then why aren't you already gone since you think Inkbunny is so superior?

It's possible to belong to two different websites at once, Einstein.

Lol, I know that but if he thinks inkbunny is so great and vastly superior to FA. Why doesn't he just stay there?

He just answered your question. :P

Noone asked you, moron.

Defensive much? :3

*yawns* You done being silly yet?

Cuz he has friends here? Maybe possibly?

Probably.

I am staying there. There hasn't been anything new that I've posted here since I joined Inkbunny. I continue coming here for the artists who haven't done so yet.

Thats cause inkbunny thinks they're more important than they really are. Unlike FA who is widely established.

we get it. you dont like IB. now would you kindly keep the snobbiness to yourself, its ruining my otherwise pleasant mood

Noone made you respond.

No one made you respond, either, and yet hey! You are!

Boredom mostly.

i went on inkbunny and i dont think its all that great in my opinion

Thats cause it isn't.

hehe but it does have some good stuff there

About to have a bunch of pedos swamp the site.
Sofurry and Inkbunny both use Alertpay, so they'll be dropped from their donation system too once cub porn starts being bought through those sites.

yeah but im not wanting to get on the issue ok?

Fair enough.

but i mean, dont get me wrong, inkbunny has so god stuff, i just like FA better

Thats cause FA is better, despite what all the butthurt furries say.

yep

Sorry if I came off as mean initially.

oh no. you did not bro^^

Okay.

hehe

Well, that clears a few things up. I'll keep an eye out for anything new.

Chill is good, chill and calm is very very good.

Que sera sera, we have no control over what may come, but right now, this very moment, things are as they should be.

There there man.

Here, enjoy this mayan ball game===>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQioOoQS00

And here's a fellow who saved a koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KCnWdiO1k

that man deserves a fucking medal.

If nothing else, just for sheer entertainingness. :)

He got one. He was given a Medal of Reasonableness at the Rally to Restore Fear and/or Sanity.

A brave soul LOL.

Dude you can't burn the Koran. You koran not. DAMN HE'S GOOD

Indeed.

Can you tell me what just happend??? Pls?

*I hear about an admin dropping an incredibly unsubtle rumor that somethin's gonna get banned on FA.
*I ask the admin what's up. I get no conclusive answers.
*I write up a petition, knowing it may be meaningless, so at least I feel like I'm doing something.
*Dragoneer removes it in a really dismissive way.
*I get pissed and call him out in a journal.
*Shitstorm escalates.
*Wolfblade informs me that there is a hell of a lot of stuff going on that I don't know about.
*I go 'Oops', feel like shit and retract the journal.
*I have headache.

Ok?.......... Well then.... Dragoneer removed only one thing I did and that was cuz of the For you by you thing. (was trying to get a funny pic for my profile ID) but any way... Yeah he tends to remove stuff that isn't sappost to be lol. I know how you feel. It's like (for me it was) being put in the category of ass holes.
:/ but dun worry ;3 it's not actually X3. What the hell could get banned on FA anyway lol I dun really care and if I did I'll just blow it off ya know? For me it's not the end of the world if something I like is banned.
Anywho. Hope your head gets well :3

A By You/For You violation is nothing serious at all. You just posted something that wasn't created by or for you, and it got removed. It's generally not a big deal unless you're a repeat offender.

So no worries.

Didn't think so. Wasn't trying to be one of them, "hurr dis is ma arts" jerks lol. I'll just have to draw something more funny that the pic I was gonna use XD lol

*Sighs* So much pointless drama. I'm glad I caught Wolfblade's journal first before finding out about this from a less calm furson.

Let the chilling out commence

*unfolds a lawn chair and pulls out a root beer and a good book*

Sweet *pops open a bawls and sips all cool like* have one, it's good

takes one and toasts you thanks bro

no probs...*sets his chair back* ahhhh...

Oh, wait... someone gets banned... and something we don't know about... Need to do anything, urgent...
*looks around in panic*

Shhhh shhhh shhh..... Calm down *pats back* have a bawls and enjoy the goodness wile you chill with us

Mmm sorry. This looks more sad than I was supposing before understanding what is the issue. We'll see...

Thank you dude, seriously.

You owe me one bed rape, d00d.

Wait, what happened?

*I hear about an admin dropping an incredibly unsubtle rumor that somethin's gonna get banned on FA.
*I ask the admin what's up. I get no conclusive answers.
*I write up a petition, knowing it may be meaningless, so at least I feel like I'm doing something.
*Dragoneer removes it in a really dismissive way.
*I get pissed and call him out in a journal.
*Shitstorm escalates.
*Wolfblade informs me that there is a hell of a lot of stuff going on that I don't know about.
*I go 'Oops', feel like shit and retract the journal.
*I have headache.

That's better. Now why don't we all chill out with a nice, cold can of Dr. Pepper. :)

I don't drink out of cans; the little openings annoy me. Besides, i'm trying Sunkist Orange today, which turns out to be pretty good.

yeah, as much as you and i may be at odds regarding this particular issue, i have to agree... the best thing to do at this point is to just sit it out and see what comes of it.

though, i don't really understand what a pettition would do in a case like this. from what i'm able to glean it seems like the changes have already been decided upon and it's not like this is the only site on the web... so, it's not like the people that want to see the porn of cubs are going to be left out in the lurch... yeah, there is the matter of the inconvenience of having to move to another site and reestablishing the social networks, but if you really think about it which would you rather have? a site that welcomes cub porn or a site that's iffy and has a lot of people against the stuff?

seems like it would be a refreshing change to be able to avoid the unnessessary hassle of having to deal with differing opinions.

>though, i don't really understand what a pettition would do in a case like this.

Give those of us who are against the idea of a ban the chance to at least register our opinion? Just because something's inevitable doesn't mean we have to accept it completely. I wanted this just to be like a show of hands: 'We stand opposed'. Plus, I just really wanted to feel like I was doing something... <blush>

>seems like it would be a refreshing change to be able to avoid the unnessessary hassle of having to deal with differing opinions.

Differing opinions make life more interesting.

Sometimes it's nice to be in a place where everyone thinks the same. Sometimes its comforting. But you don't find a lot of good, healthy debate in places like that. Nor honest criticism. If I was on a site where my views went completely unopposed, how could I possibly refine my arguments? Having our beliefs attacked makes them stronger; you find out what part of your arguments are weak and which are strong. Plus, it's just fucking GOOD for us to be forced to coexist with people whose views we don't like. It toughens us up and, hopefully, makes us realize, 'life is always going to be like this. Learn to accept it'. ;)

granted, yes... differing opinions (as long as they're civil) do make things interesting... but as you and i both know, it's rather difficult to have civil discussions on this particular matter since people tend to be either completely indifferent or polarized to one degree or another. given that, having civil discussions is rare when it comes to this particular matter.

What's going on?

*I hear about an admin dropping an incredibly unsubtle rumor that somethin's gonna get banned on FA.
*I ask the admin what's up. I get no conclusive answers.
*I write up a petition, knowing it may be meaningless, so at least I feel like I'm doing something.
*Dragoneer removes it in a really dismissive way.
*I get pissed and call him out in a journal.
*Shitstorm escalates.
*Wolfblade informs me that there is a hell of a lot of stuff going on that I don't know about.
*I go 'Oops', feel like shit and retract the journal.
*I have headache.

Wait I'm confused. What happened?

I hate that half the world is awake when I'm asleep.

*I hear about an admin dropping an incredibly unsubtle rumor that somethin's gonna get banned on FA.
*I ask the admin what's up. I get no conclusive answers.
*I write up a petition, knowing it may be meaningless, so at least I feel like I'm doing something.
*Dragoneer removes it in a really dismissive way.
*I get pissed and call him out in a journal.
*Shitstorm escalates.
*Wolfblade informs me that there is a hell of a lot of stuff going on that I don't know about.
*I go 'Oops', feel like shit and retract the journal.
*I have headache.

Aha.

Makes sense then.

So is the panic over then?

Not really. The AUP is changing soon, and I have no idea how much of a clusterfuck is gonna result. :(

What is the worst that could happen? Blindly guessing, it is about the adult cub art. Relatively likely , there will be a grandfather clause of sorts, like last time, if grandfathering in that case is still legal. Also, I am pretty sure that there exist sites specializing in that. So - mayor annoyance but in the end it just will be a small migration, and not even a total one at that.

Maybe I missed something, like for example the journal that you deleted. So I do not know what the petiton was about in detail. If I guessed wrong, I would like to know what it actually was about.

It was about pretty much exactly what you think it's about.

And no, if what I've heard is true, there will be no grandfather clause. And this is very likely to affect just FA. I don't know ANYTHING for sure yet. But there is potential for this to be a very bad thing.

Sorry: very likely to affect more than just FA.

Hm, total speculation, but since Wolfblade said it was definitely not illegal, I'm assuming it's an ISP ToS change that decided cub porn was an offense worthy of shutting people's Internets off, like if Comcast threatened thousands of users who browse FA. That's the only thing I could think of that 1. isn't illegal and 2. could affect more than just FA.

<blinks> That's the most plausible thing I've heard so far.

We'll just have to wait for the actual AUP change, which Dragoneer told me was coming tomorrow ...two days ago. :/

"This is no time to be hysterical!"
"It's the *perfect* time to be hysterical!"
"Should we be hysterical?!"
"No!"
"Yes!"
"Maybe! But not right now."

I'm remembering the scene from Toy Story: "Sheriff, this is no time to panic!" "This is a perfect time to panic!!"

The one I quoted is from Toy Story 3, no doubt an elaborate callback.

O_O Yes, most likely so!

I'm kind of glad I had no idea what was going on until after everything got done.

Because this sounded like an amazingly bad series of WTFs.

Basically, it was a lesson in what can happen when people are reacting to stuff without knowing each other's motivation. :/

What if we don't want to be calm? Administrators are banning this first. Then comes some other things they lose money over, that goes too (probably beast/feral) And we will end up with good and fluffy and legal art, yay? No! We have to fight to keep FA's integrity over "The Big Money" some of it's leaders seem to been sold out to.

So instead of sitting and recieving "nothing is happenning, move along" We need to finally rise up and make ourselves heard! Let's give them a headache!

It won't do any good in this instance. The only options are 'FA bans cub porn' or 'FA ceases to exist'. Personally, I'd rather they let the site die with integrity. But I can't ask other people to go along with that.

They are just saying that so we think there is no other way out. E621, Inkbunny and a ton of other sites gets their funding from somewhere. FA can jsut change payment providers to those with less requirements. And we the community need to stop using that payment service. See how well they deal with loss of clients. Do not give up! Give them Hell!

There ARE no other payment clients!

Just because you dislike something
doesn't mean you have the right to eliminate it
for by that same logic
I also have the right to erase you
if I ever dislike something about you...

Dragoneer said this at http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....y-on-Cub/page5 : "We have options, but we're not going to exercise those options until we are in a position we can handle things.

And... we lost a sizable amount of money. I won't say how much, because the numbers make me cry. As for crisis? No. We'll be fine, but we have to get through this first."

It seems that they'll be fine and have alternative pay-provider options, but they lost too much money to go through those options at the moment and that "we have to get through this first". At least based solely on the statements here, the ban may only be temporary.

>At least based solely on the statements here, the ban may only be temporary.

It won't be. The sooner people start seeing this as a no-hope situation, the better it'll be for them.

Who are you and what did you do to Alex? The real Alex Reynard would not give up without a fight. There is hope! And we will win!

The wise warrior learns to choose his battles. To know when a fight cannot be won, and to back away.

There will be other fights, and I will be there.

Why don't you get an InkBunny site? They're a better site and I'll probably be moving there anyway. Fighting for FA is a little like trying to save a sinking ship.

Oh I might be crazy enough to go down with it and in flames ;) Inkbunny? What is that? I have barely grown accostumed to FA's system, and now I ahve to switch to another? Only to be chased after adapting to a third and etcetera.

http://inkbunny.net/

>I have barely grown accostumed to FA's system, and now I ahve to switch to another? Only to be chased after adapting to a third and etcetera.

Sadly, yes. :/

You're lucky you weren't immediately banned, which is exactly the treatment you would have been given if the FA administration were not chock-full-o-cubs.

You actually think the admins are pro-cub? Please, for the love of decency, shut your stupid mouth. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Considering cub porn has been allowed on this website for as long as I've been a member, and until yesterday, all due to vociferous defense by the admin staff and an actual gag order on discussing the subject with site staff, many of who are cubs themselves: Yes. I think the admins are pro-cub. Of course the admins are pro-cub. They don't even want to ban cub porn: They've gone through pains to explain that their hands were forced. I feel like I'm reviewing very basic facts with you.

In short: I'm Right You're Wrong I'm Smart You're Dumb

Yes, but you're also a pedophile.

And the proof of it is, I know you won't deny it here.