uhh what dood?

http://forums.furaffinity.net/forum.....n-%28Nov-24%29

You are thicker than a concrete malt.

Thank you! but still whats done is done dood just move to like inkbunny or somthing dood you dont have to be all pissy sarcastic about it dood

Shut up.
Dude.

not talking about that i saw that hours ago dood

Its spelled D-U-D-E dammit! XD

He's got a Prinny icon so I'm assuming the misspelling is in deliberate imitation of their speech pattern.

It's a disgaea reference, it's how the prinnies speak dood!

It's annoying as piss.

eh. I only find it annoying when other people type it after every sentence. Prinnies don't say it THAT much, dood!

it's only annoying when it's done improperly.

Humor is timing.

I SHALL WEAR IT WITH PRIDE ON MY FRONT PAGE <3

Badges.... we donneedno steekin badges!

(well someone had to say it)

yeah, I was waiting for that = w=

I agree. FA didn't have a problem with cub until Alertpay threatened to drop them.
But hey, FA's a business. Money's money.

Didn't threaten...they did drop FA. And perma-banned the site from ever[i] doing business with them again.

Canadian laws and all that. AP simply does not want the [i]slightest whiff of association with that sort of material. They said what FA generates in revenue wouldn't cover one day's worth of legal costs should this attract the attention of the authorities.

Oh so they did drop them.
Well then why the hell do they care? Banning cub wont solve anything.

Keeping it around means that no other payment processors will do business with FA.

Well then why the hell do they care? Banning cub wont solve anything.

Payment company: "So before we agree to manage funds for your site, why were you dropped by your last payment company?"

FA: "They decided cub porn is child porn and didn't want to be associated with that."

Payment company: "...."

So:

A) "But we put new policies in place to adhere to a new "no kiddie porn" standard.

or

B) "But we stuck to our guns. Now where do I sign?"

Choosing option B means NO payment company will accept them at all. It'd be far easier to start up a different site without a past history.

*shoots alertpay*

Yeah, we're all just a bunch of HAPPY NORMAL NEDS AND NANCYS HERE.

Damnit FA. Just... Damnit. Stop being a dick.

(Oh well, you're probably right, gore and scat are probably next.)

And then tentacle, then rape, and a whole bunch of other fetishes untill finally they ban furries themselves.

.. im going to act like this is a sarcastic journal to make myself feel better :x.. i mean normal |D

I think the ending gives it away.

sshhhhhhh. i dont know that yet.. best not to tell me D:

Alertpay sucks. It's annoying FA banned it, but I don't blame them, They were just trynna keep the site going.

Are you gonna post your stuff elsewhere?

I don't *quite* blame Dragoneer. In America, cub porn is legal (due to the legal definition of 'minor' referring explicitly to *real* people), but FA is hosted in Canada, and subject to Canada's laws, which, I've heard, are a bit less lenient. And it was either lose the cubs, or lose FA entirely.

Still, whoever runs AlertPay needs a swift kick in whichever set of genitalia they may have.

Which is none. ;3

So i assume that kick will be directed into their bloated asses.

What else was AlertPay supposed to do once they found out about the stuff? They're based in Canada, and Canadian law says cubporn is legally the same as real child porn.

:D

Define 'normal' we look at furry art and giggle when we see human like animals humping each other.

Also, some of us pervert the Sonic Universe to fit aging Sonic Fans. xD So I mean.. what exactly is normal? True finally they removed that diaper/toddler fetish, but they kept the cute/chibi rule in place. So you can draw like, for example Tails and Cream any time you want, because you can just go: "Hah! No! It's a Chibi version!"

This whole cub issue when it comes to that, can confuse alot of ppl, so let me tell them what it all means.. Basically they are banning Diaper/baby and Toddler related cub art. You can still do cute/chibi versions of certain characters and toons, like for example: Tails and Cream.

All and all I can agree with you, yes they got rid of what they should of gotten rid of and left those particular fetishes to raunchier sites. However, I disagree when you say we are all: "Normal" Normal is personal preference and perception of reality.

To one person, 'normal' is shoving a banana up their rear and howling at their refrigerator light. lol

agree to most except your definition of normal :P

Normal is the avarage of all human beings not a personal preference :P

For god's sake, is sarcasm completely lost on you? I would be embarassed to have written what you did.

lol I know it was Satire. xD I left a 2nd message, sorry if I sounded a bit over the top.

http://inkbunny.net/

An inkbunny is fine too . . .

Inkbunny also uses Alertpay, and will likely end up in the same boat when Alertpay finds that they can steal their money and get away with it too.

Already have, their funds have been frozen.

This is just absolutely hilarious now.

*popcorn.gif*

When you involve people who aren't furries, I think they'll just look on in horror at all of our collective kinks and want to curl up in a ball and cry.

"Don't ask why, John. Just look away. Just... look away."

Also, love the satire. ;3

lol like 4chan just woun't find a reason to say "omfg like you could ever think anyone will consider furries normal fuck off."

NAILED IT.

This means they're fine with shoving a whole person up one's penis? A sin against God and general logic?!

I'm just gonna make my own website with a comment system, not like anyone really pays attention to my art here, on storm, or dA anywho.

Though I almost never draw any kids or anything without tits in general, so this really doesn't apply to me. LOL

*chuckles* Nice to see someone's having good humour in this current shitstorm. Me, I don't care... it was a pragmatic decision they made to keep the site running. I'd rather have an FA without cub-porn than no FA at all.

Have a Jelly Baby on me! ^w^

And as soon as Alertpay decides to be like Pay-pal before it and not need porn-based transactions anymore..and flips FA the bird again.. 'Neer's head will literally explode.

It's all in the money, can't be helped.^^

FINANCE! *HISSSS* LEHMAN BROTHERS! GOLDMAN SACHS! TEA PARTY!!?

FA needs a bailout! @_@

GENOME SOLDIERS?
A HIND-D?
METAL GEAR?!

FREE MARKET DETECTED.
ACTIVATING CYBER-LENIN AND ROBO-TROTSKY.

Instruction for the day
CRUSH CAPITALISM

Onoes, LIBERTY PRIME! SAVE US!

Robo-Pinko detected. Unfettering Liberty Prime.

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM.

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

TELL THE REPUBLICANS WE WANT IT BACK THEN
SEE HOW FAR THEY GET MISSING A PRIMARY COLOUR
THEY CAN'T EVEN HAVE ORANGE
OR PURPLE

What about Yellow? :U

You can have yellow.
But only the eye hurting shades.
The other ones are lost in my couch.

*unwraps badge and noms on delicious milk chocolatey goodness inside* :9

So cubs are out. What will people draw till they ban it. The answer " old people porn" lol with all their bald spots and wrinkles.

With thumbnails saying "WARNING: THIS PICTURE CONTAINS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF CUB PORN".

welp. D:

Nooo... Gwen... ;_; And all the other pictures involving younger partners.. I wish I was in a place to save all your stuff in a private sanctuary. But, sadly I'm in no position to save all those pics, nor do I have the time to browse through your expansive gallery to find them and keep them. Do me a favor Nori and give me hope I'll be able to find them again somewhere someday? Even through you yourself? </3

Until the government decides to put me in their Thought Crime Division.

-hugs Nori tightly, and scoops up Gwen to take her to a safe haven!- I'll keep her safe! -Brings Gwen's mother too, and Sunni, and Nori, everyone...-

Oh God, how many warrants they have for me..eheeheh. Gwen must be protected!

if only more problems could be solved with purple ninja police cars and massive golden squeaky hammers :/

+1

Sigh...

I'll miss all the Gwen art.

I doubt the mods are particularly proud of this decision, it was done solely for financial reasons after all.
This really hit a nerve with you. I hope you feel better soon.

What's sad is while said for the sake of humor a lot of people actually think that eliminating the adult cub stuff actually would be some magical introduction into acceptance by the non-furry majority, who will still think we're all out doing our pets and that's always been their main knee-jerk response about furry fandom anyway so eliminating the art that they don't like isn't going to get them any more accepted than they were before.

Just like when Chewfox went on Tyra Banks and admitted that instead of dressing like maids or cops or what have you they dressed in fursuits for sex for her and her BF, you had all sorts of furries instantly running and hiding and letting that impression stand instead of correcting it. When you let the ignorant run things you never get anything positive done. Plus those cheering act like it's some moral victory because a fetish that they didn't like (unlike their upstanding ones of course that the public will heartily embrace...) got removed when legal and financial problems by a third party eliminated it, and as someone else noted FA's owner could easily end up with 'ewww you have adult furry stuff we deem it all unwholesome and deny you' then how happy will they be?

I think most of the stuff of yours I liked was mainly incest and herm, which is evidently perfectly fine if they are of proper age. XD

Now Nori, what are you talking about?

Gwen isn't a child. She's secretly 9,000 years old, because she has a magical power that enables her body to never age.

EHUAEHAEHUEAHUAEHUAEHUEHAAEHUEU

There's that California "Violence in Video Games" law trial going on. Prosecutors gave a statement saying that the death of a human by another is considered violence. The judge gave a scenario where the human dying was proven to not be human (robot, alien, etc.).

"Does that count as the same level of violence?" The prosecutors said no.

Your idea is more sound than you know...

*Rolls eyes* I'm still reading that its not so much a change for taste but because "They took our monies!"

I've not heard one good thing about Alertpay yet since people have been switching to it. Seems to me, if we can find FA a donation site and sponsor who doesn't give a crap about what's on the site, then this would have all been completely avoided.

This is just a start! Next, what needs to be banned is guro, rape, vore, ferals, and cartoon parody. And heterochromia -- pick an eye colour and stick with it!
Every right thinker agrees with me. Everyone else is sick and should be imprisoned or humanely terminated for society's sake. Can't be too safe.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!

Also, Gwen needs to get her hands on some fake ID, stat. She's just short for her age.

Guro, rape, vore, and scat, and ferals, I can live without. But my main character has heterochromia.

And I assume you're being sarcstic, anyway.

You think?

Damn dirty Different-Eyes! GET OUT MAH 'MERICA!

Grabbed before this outcome long ago came...

Its a shame, really. Your little Psychoanalyst was adorable D: AND NOT IN THE SEXYAL SENSE OF THE WORD EITHER.

Oh! For a project, you should whip up a badge of normalcy. Its prolly made of cheese.

[giant badumtish]

... I forget if you even had Gwen in adult situations. My mind's drawing a blank. I mean, I know there was other stuff, but...

Nnn. I was wondering when/how you'd respond. Well played, I think. *smokes bubble pipe*

GA GA GAH GA GA GAH~

DIVIDIIIIING DRIVEEEER

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS

Young Nori was never said to be TOO young. >.>

And Gwen, really, has shown up in very few actual adult situations...

There may be a couple pieces of yours that'll disappear, but I don't think TOO many will be lost. You're not exactly the same breed of porn deviant as some of the worse-off folk, that's for sure. x3

Poor FA. If only this sort of thing didn't need to happen. A lot of heartache would be spared... But hell, I'd take it over a lack of funding any day of the week.

And I STILL wonder about 'hyper' youngn's and where they fall into it. Little person, sexually mature body? It's as confusing as ever.

I didn't realize you had under-age adult art. Not that I minded, because all that 'underage' has brought us is flat chested wimmens and I never cared for those in the first place. Ah well. ^w^

Oh, also, *Big squeezy hugs*

"Normality"

Who needs it. Normalcy is a lie.

Eat a dick, English Khan! >=( I'm keepin' it.

I'm sorry but I do approve.I do not do age play or cub porn and i don't encourage it. The closest I come to that is when I put nursing in a story. I know some people would call it cub porn because it's cub/puppy suckling at a female's tits but that how babies feed in the wild. Just because some mother's can't or won't breast feed their infants is one thing but it's not porn to have a scene where a mommy vixen is nursing her folf pup. although if the wolf who fathered the pup is jealous of his kid because he likes being in the same spot it's comedy.

Nothing prevents people from shelling out a shitload of cash, buying a server and hosting their own site where as much cub porn as they want. Then they can enjoy the liabilities that come with it! =D

*facepalm*
Nobody CARES if you approve. THAT is the point of the journal. It would've happened whether you liked it or not. Get it now? Greeeaat.

Well... really, the "fetish" of pedophilia is one step nastier than most others...

... Based on exactly what logic?

That in it's form in real life, it actually incurrs harm to others, and that sexual enjoyment of even a fictionalised format implies that the viewer is closer than society is comfortable with to engaging in the practices in real life.

And that's somehow unlike bondage, sadism, masochism and rape somehow? Not to mention inflation, expansion, snuff, gore, scat and all other kinds of things that would be terrible in real life?

Ridiculous.

People are just more senseitive about children, for a lot of those other things, it's possible to have real-world parallels between consenting persons that aren't harmfull.

Bondage, S&M, masochism and even scat, while very out there can be done in real life without neccessarily causing harm.

Add to that, that stuff like inflation, transformation and expansion are physically impossible, and that snuff/gore are things I find terrible in fiction too and you have little differences that undermine that argument.

Of course they're harmful- they're physically harmful.

See, the problem with your argument is that you're trying to assign some kind of solid value to one fetish's repugnance, when in reality that value is completely subjective. There's a different between an opinion and a fact.

Yes, but consent makes all the differance in the world...

If someone consents to be physically harmed in some way, and is an adult and of sound mental health then they're a little odd but that's their buisiness, harming others without their consent in any way shape or form is far more objectionable.

Okay, you're just... not equipped for this conversation.

Perhaps I'm explaining it very badly, but I think your view is not entirely unclouded either...

Don't forget zombies! Zombies are deeee-sgusting. Yet does anybody ever call for them to be banned anywhere?

(Full disclosure: I don't like zombies, but I would be against banning them. I see a zombie picture, I just close it and go look for stuff I like.)

Ohdear.. I best save all that content of them poor abused fictional animal people. Shame how broad sweeping the thing is. Broad enough I'll do a pass through my much more modestly sized gallery to be safe.

Now I won't be able to see Gwen pictures anymore.

Sad.

Meh, only one has been inappropriate so far, to be completely honest. It won't affect her that much.

Next will be the watersports and scat, then the vore, then the guro. soon furries wont be allowed because that isnt acceptable in normal society

oh shit I counter fitted one of those badges years ago. I get to pretend I'm one of the sheep all while still being an individual with a brain that can still run logic ^^. err btw, you on inkbunny.net ? XD

Bah so amusing... no one normal... Weird is the new Normal!

You've basically expressed my feelings on the situation. If it was purely for financial reasons I'm not going to complain, I get it. FA's a business for them, they need to make money or else the site will get shut down. But it's not like getting rid of cub art is going to make everyone in the world all of a sudden say: OH HEY FURRIES ARE JUST LIKE US. Get real guys. Furries will always be one of the punching bags of the internets. :V

well it's only against the hardcore sexual stuff, so a lot of your stuff should be left alone.

Man, the mods have a huge task ahead of them to remove all the 'offending' cub art that this site contains...

any thoughts on where you'll post future works that's "too hot for FA?"

Hey... Waaaaaiiiiiit! THIS IS A FRANKLIN BADGE! DX< I already have a Franklin Badge! What I NEED is a Pride Badge!

Also, LOL at the CP ban. I don't think that much of your art would be removed, but be prepared, becaused there is a shitstorm in progress.

I hope you don't remove your underage stuff unless it has hardcore fucking. Lots of your Dr. Gwen stuff is clean enough and I think she's adorable. <3

*goes Nori gallery rooting*

ah hell there's to much gallery for me to get through without getting distracted XD

but I did forget to mention I love this journal in all it's whittyness <_<

Fff....I really should've just read what you said without looking at comments.

I feel your pain.

...and I come back to do it again. God. What. Why. Where? What. Magnum. What. numbers.

I was curious what you would think. Cub's really not my cup of tea, but your style kind of gives it a grayish area (hyper or not), and is usually presented in a humorous way. It's awfully confusing where the boundaries are or should be when dealing with drawn porn.

That said, I hope you stick around. I never really comment, but I like seeing your work here...and can't stand the alternative sites.

I'm not leaving. It's such a small percentage of what I do, and most of it isn't even really inappropriate when I draw it. Nothing you couldn't get away with on cable.

Guuuhhh.... Fuck the world x.x

I'm really sorry to hear that Nori *hugs* Not just for you, either, but for myself as well x.x Although, there seems to be nothing about cubs in stories, so that's better at least, right? x.x

Can... Can we just say that Gwen is of age? I mean, she's depicted as being mature enough, so a little fudging wouldn't hurt, I'm sure. Even though she'd still be acceptable, I still wouldn't wanna lose any pervy Gwen, or any of your other younger things either :<

So will you be posting young stuff to other websites? I read through the comments here, but I didn't see anything specifically stating what you plan to do. :\

Was Dr. Gwen ever actually in anything porny or is she just curious why people like it?

Also, if you haven't already planned to, it may be interesting for her to comment on the situation.

ETERNAL JOURNAL WIN.

To celebrate, I shall procure more D-girl Gwen pictures from you!

"NORMAL"???? *shudders*
Oh I hope not!
Keep th' faith baby - and I mean it.!

FOUR THOUSAND MAGNUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!!!

I must say, I just love how the sarcasem is practicly dripping off of this post.

>>I JUST GOT A BADGE ON FA, /b/
>>WAT DO?

esta politica es una mierda!!!

GA-GA-GA-GA-GA-GA-GAOGAIGAR!
GA-GA-GA-GA-GA-GA-GA-GAOGAIGAR!
Your taste in animation is fine indeed.

So will you be seeking alternate means of posting cub pics? I would hate to see it all go away.

Don't worry about it too much, I think they're just deleting porn involving characters that are obvious to be less than 18 years old, that's why on the news, the writer specified "cub" all the time.

I don't know, I think this sucks, but better do that than having FA down. If the hosters of the server are smart, they can pull of an "exhentai" sort of thing so that cub artists have somewhere to put their cub porn.

I'm just worried about the spread to other types of content. I don't understand how there isn't a single payment processor out there that doesn't have content restrictions. Who is pulling the strings of the payment processors? Their other clients? In that case, if you have one company that says they'll stop using your payment processing, then it is like peer pressure--it becomes easier for the payment processor to censor one of their clients partially than to drop them, or to drop one and keep their other clients. This is about money, who is getting paid and by who. The ones with the money control what happens. If FA was their biggest client, then AlertPay could have dropped the clients who wanted FA not just censored, but destroyed. The solution is for FA to get more money and power.

Your slippery slope fears are unfounded. Here's how it works.

The law in country X says paedophilia is illegal whether it's a real child being abused or an imaginary one. (Whether this is right or not is open to debate, but that's the way it goes.) Site Y, located in country X, receives money from sites which, among other things, distribute indecent images of totally fictional children. Site Y is on uncomfortable ground here - they could be open to prosecution if they receive money which derives from the sale and distribution of what in country X constitutes paedophile material - so they freeze the accounts of their infringing clients until they ensure that said material is not distributed on that website.

Canada isn't about to ban anything else (the only country I know of where BDSM is de-facto illegal is the UK) so the chance of further restrictions is low.

I hope you're right. I wish it were only the people that make the stuff that were targeted, rather than content hosting services and financial transaction companies. I agree with you that the content is debatable. If it is a matter of content, it is the content makers that should be responsible. I've seen restrictions put in place in other areas of governance that I never thought were possible, so likelihood of permissiveness is not something that I feel is a reliable assurance against future restrictions when weighed against current restrictions. Meh, I ramble.

Other things that are illegal in the United Kingdom:

Firearms
Flavorful cuisine
Men with more testosterone than Richard Simmons
Dentistry

Funnily enough, the most fundamental documents in the British legal system stand directly in the way of an outright ban on firearms.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States upholds and amends a preexisting right to keep and bear arms which was also affirmed by the English Bill of Rights of 1689 (the backstory being that King James denied Protestant subjects that right while granting it to Catholics - the Bill of Rights reinstated it for everyone equally by explicitly reaffirming it to Protestants) and which ultimately dates back further than legal precedent can reliably probe (the Assize of Arms 1181 is often mentioned, but it all ends up being "since time immemorial").

Anyway, it's worth qualifying my use of the term "de-facto illegal". Guns are de-facto legal, but good luck getting hold of one legally; likewise, BDSM is de-facto illegal, but it's not like there's going to be a massive police raid because you used cuffs and a spreader bar on your wife.

GaoGaiGar, I hope your body can handle the sheer hot blooded Garness, this anime was.... Awesome!

Would I assume correctly if you were to post a journal saying where to find the rest of your art? that is, once the admins weed out your gallery one-by-one. and what a big gallery it is. I give them 12 hours to get it all...no, wait. I forgot they are lazy and don't do shit. I give them a month.

Hey.
HEY.

It's still not as awesome as the badge I won from Max in a poker game.
That combined with The Hound Dog makes the Heavy look like a big fat cop gone awesome.

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