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You Knew Damn Well - REPOST
15 years ago
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Well, they did it.
Cub porn's banned. Artists have 21 days to clean out their galleries on their own, then the admins'll come in and flush out anything remaining.
And why? Because AlertPay is FA's conduit for donation money. And despite okaying FA's content at first, all of a sudden they changed their mind, stole Dragoneer's money, and told him to GTFO. Cub porn was the big dealbreaker, because Alertpay is a Canadian company, and apparently Canadian legislators are unable to comprehend the difference between a drawing and actual child porn. So AlertPay doesn't wanna risk being associated with us.
From what I have read, right now FA has no way to accept donation money, and they're banning cub porn either as a last-ditch effort to get AlertPay to reconsider, or to woo another money-handling-company-thingy.
It's strange... I should be angry about this, but i'm not. I'm just tired. I'm mildly disappointed, but not really surprised. I've expected this was coming for a long time now.
For once, I don't blame the admins. They're getting buttfucked here. And, barring any revelations that they could have prevented all this, I feel sorry for them.
I only sort of blame AlertPay. I can see why they don't want to risk legal troubles, but all the same, fuck them for basically saying, 'If we decide you're in violation of our policy, we can confiscate all your money'. And apparently they've been doing this a LOT to people. And double-fuck them for being willing to take our filthy furry porn money otherwise, but not when there's any element of risk in it for them.
No, I blame the governments of Canada, the UK and Australia. As much as I bitch about America's hysterical panic over protecting imaginary children (while ignoring the suffering of real ones), at least we have the first amendment. These other governments don't, and so because they can ban certain images and writing, they do. And fuck them. I hope everyone in every one of these governments gets AIDS from a whore. Fuck them for giving into moral outrage and banning things that all science and psychological studies have shown to be completely harmless.
This ban is going to take a big fat chunk out of FA, both in terms of art and artists. The fact of the matter is, FA is a sinking ship. It has been for quite a while, and this really should be seen as all the confirmation anyone could need. There is no good ending here.
I'm not mad about the AUP changing ...but this wouldn't be an Alex Reynard rant without a little rage, now would it?
What I am angry about are the stupid motherfuckers who are celebrating this as a victory.
I went to the forums and read the new AUP policy with a sigh of resignation. Then, immediately, I started seeing posts that were like, "Hooray! I'm happy this happened! Good job, admins!"
You retards. You imbeciles. You pinheaded, mindless, mud-skulled dense fucking subhuman shitheads.
For some people, this is a hallelujah moment. All they see is 'cub porn banned' and that's enough for them. 'Woohoo! I no longer have to see art that offends me!' They don't give a thought to the financial side of this. They don't care that AlertPay has seized thousands of dollars that WE donated to this site. They don't realize that FA is very likely not going to recover from this. They don't care that censorship and fear have won.
All they care about is themselves. 'I got what I want, therefore this is a victory'.
Every last one of these people are beneath contempt. They deserve no respect from anyone. They are selfishness and ignorance incarnate.
And because I'm such a petty bitch, I'm gonna name them for you. :)
These are all the people I saw, in the first ten pages of posts, who either said how happy they were about this situation, or otherwise displayed that all they cared about was 'sick and immoral' images getting banned:
Well, apparently, I'm not allowed to do that. Apparently, listing people names is considered harassment. News to me! So, instead of asking me to cut this section of my journal, an admin removed the original, sent me the text and told me to repost. Now all your comments are gone. Thanks for punishing them instead of me, admins.
I'm sure that naming these people changes absolutely nothing. I'm just feeling so utterly disgusted with this whole situation that I wanna do something pointlessly vindictive. I know I can't make the world's governments grow up and see reason. I know I can't force AlertPay to give the site's money back that they stole. I know I can't force the admins to come up with a solution that doesn't involve carving up the site.
All I can do, all I can ever do, is let you know how I feel about things. I'm a reporter, nothing more. And as much as my rage leaves me feeling sick and burned-out so much of the time, I'd rather feel like this forever than turn into the kind of people I named above. I'd rather scream my hatred into the face of stupid, evil bullshit until I DIE. Because maybe my words might inspire someone who's in a position to actually do something. Or if nothing else, maybe I let other people who are like me know they're not alone in this stupid, evil world.
I don't honestly know if I'll still be on FA by next year. I might not be. Or I might be here just to keep an eye on friends, but I won't contribute. This new AUP is going to gut my gallery, so what reason is there for me to stay? For a long time now, the only real thing that's been keeping me here is the people on this site that I'm honored to call friends.
If I leave, it will be because I can no longer be Alex Reynard for you anymore.
P.S. An idea just occurred to me. Why don't we take all the cub porn that gets deleted from FA... and email it to AlertPay? ;)
Cub porn's banned. Artists have 21 days to clean out their galleries on their own, then the admins'll come in and flush out anything remaining.
And why? Because AlertPay is FA's conduit for donation money. And despite okaying FA's content at first, all of a sudden they changed their mind, stole Dragoneer's money, and told him to GTFO. Cub porn was the big dealbreaker, because Alertpay is a Canadian company, and apparently Canadian legislators are unable to comprehend the difference between a drawing and actual child porn. So AlertPay doesn't wanna risk being associated with us.
From what I have read, right now FA has no way to accept donation money, and they're banning cub porn either as a last-ditch effort to get AlertPay to reconsider, or to woo another money-handling-company-thingy.
It's strange... I should be angry about this, but i'm not. I'm just tired. I'm mildly disappointed, but not really surprised. I've expected this was coming for a long time now.
For once, I don't blame the admins. They're getting buttfucked here. And, barring any revelations that they could have prevented all this, I feel sorry for them.
I only sort of blame AlertPay. I can see why they don't want to risk legal troubles, but all the same, fuck them for basically saying, 'If we decide you're in violation of our policy, we can confiscate all your money'. And apparently they've been doing this a LOT to people. And double-fuck them for being willing to take our filthy furry porn money otherwise, but not when there's any element of risk in it for them.
No, I blame the governments of Canada, the UK and Australia. As much as I bitch about America's hysterical panic over protecting imaginary children (while ignoring the suffering of real ones), at least we have the first amendment. These other governments don't, and so because they can ban certain images and writing, they do. And fuck them. I hope everyone in every one of these governments gets AIDS from a whore. Fuck them for giving into moral outrage and banning things that all science and psychological studies have shown to be completely harmless.
This ban is going to take a big fat chunk out of FA, both in terms of art and artists. The fact of the matter is, FA is a sinking ship. It has been for quite a while, and this really should be seen as all the confirmation anyone could need. There is no good ending here.
I'm not mad about the AUP changing ...but this wouldn't be an Alex Reynard rant without a little rage, now would it?
What I am angry about are the stupid motherfuckers who are celebrating this as a victory.
I went to the forums and read the new AUP policy with a sigh of resignation. Then, immediately, I started seeing posts that were like, "Hooray! I'm happy this happened! Good job, admins!"
You retards. You imbeciles. You pinheaded, mindless, mud-skulled dense fucking subhuman shitheads.
For some people, this is a hallelujah moment. All they see is 'cub porn banned' and that's enough for them. 'Woohoo! I no longer have to see art that offends me!' They don't give a thought to the financial side of this. They don't care that AlertPay has seized thousands of dollars that WE donated to this site. They don't realize that FA is very likely not going to recover from this. They don't care that censorship and fear have won.
All they care about is themselves. 'I got what I want, therefore this is a victory'.
Every last one of these people are beneath contempt. They deserve no respect from anyone. They are selfishness and ignorance incarnate.
And because I'm such a petty bitch, I'm gonna name them for you. :)
These are all the people I saw, in the first ten pages of posts, who either said how happy they were about this situation, or otherwise displayed that all they cared about was 'sick and immoral' images getting banned:
Well, apparently, I'm not allowed to do that. Apparently, listing people names is considered harassment. News to me! So, instead of asking me to cut this section of my journal, an admin removed the original, sent me the text and told me to repost. Now all your comments are gone. Thanks for punishing them instead of me, admins.
I'm sure that naming these people changes absolutely nothing. I'm just feeling so utterly disgusted with this whole situation that I wanna do something pointlessly vindictive. I know I can't make the world's governments grow up and see reason. I know I can't force AlertPay to give the site's money back that they stole. I know I can't force the admins to come up with a solution that doesn't involve carving up the site.
All I can do, all I can ever do, is let you know how I feel about things. I'm a reporter, nothing more. And as much as my rage leaves me feeling sick and burned-out so much of the time, I'd rather feel like this forever than turn into the kind of people I named above. I'd rather scream my hatred into the face of stupid, evil bullshit until I DIE. Because maybe my words might inspire someone who's in a position to actually do something. Or if nothing else, maybe I let other people who are like me know they're not alone in this stupid, evil world.
I don't honestly know if I'll still be on FA by next year. I might not be. Or I might be here just to keep an eye on friends, but I won't contribute. This new AUP is going to gut my gallery, so what reason is there for me to stay? For a long time now, the only real thing that's been keeping me here is the people on this site that I'm honored to call friends.
If I leave, it will be because I can no longer be Alex Reynard for you anymore.
P.S. An idea just occurred to me. Why don't we take all the cub porn that gets deleted from FA... and email it to AlertPay? ;)
G'nite.
This immediately called to my mind the ancient pagan slander against the Jews, that, contrary to the Pentateuch, they had in fact been driven out from Egypt as a race of sickly lepers.
(This is not to say that cub fans, and certainly not Jews, actually are loathsome. Just pointing out that the circumstances of the AUP change are considerably less triumphant than the Biblical exodus.)
Alex: Sorry your whole thread got deleted. I saved it when it had two-hundred-something comments, do you want a copy or do you already have your own?
G'nite.
...Dammit Google Chrome
*facepaws* what has this world come to, where is the love?
*snuggles the cubby tightly and licks his cheek* ^^
Apparently, 'harassment' means being made to take responsibility for what other people might decide to do after reading something I wrote.
That is so perfectly put I wanna frame it and mount it on my wall. :)
Tell me this Renard. Is this truly the cluprit?! IS IT?
https://inkbunny.net/account.php If you have an account then here is a link for you to get you kicks on...
Look at the bottom here where it says:
Sales and Donations
Show Donation links:
On User Page
On Submissions page
Choose a payout method to receive the money you are owed for sales and donations.
No payout method
If you have no payout method selected, you cannot receive payments from sales on Inkbunny.
AlertPay ($0 fee per payout)
Note that there is a minimum $5 payout on AlertPay. You will not receive payments until the amount we owe you reaches that minimum.
AlertPay is an alternative to Paypal. Websites that contain adult material cannot use Paypal.
OMFG but but but what is that?! Alert Pay and Ink bunny supports Cub>?
If im sounding sarcastic I am.. the reason is that this is the biggest hole in the story of why its being banned that I can see china clearly from the other side..
What pisses me off so much is that there is so much drama off of this due to rights.. When there should be over how noone can get there story strait.
I been told that the admins said that due to europe that it was banned. I been tolk that it was alert pay. I been told it was all the hatters and trolls... There is no legit reason as of yet for not a one holds water..
Im neutral here though this effects me because alot of FA users have some part of this and many are pulling out YEY for all the asshole that want this but BOOO.............
How many of your watchers and fans are into this how many did you really know that was into this? Well come time and there not there anymore things will look pretty empty and that really is my concern.
How many fans will I lose? How many potential fans?
and what will be the fate of FA ?
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I feel like this is one really crappy Film Noir Detective bits where they leave you on a clif hanger.
Inkbunny isn't banning cub porn, though. Funny, that.
I shall go look at your story, sir. :)
Inkbunny migration has started it LOL
Regardless of what people are saying, it will not fall. Inkbunny does not rely on alertpay for funding.
Why do we like this site again?
No, really. Why?
FEEL smaller, more confined. Guess I just have a big hard-on for freedom of speech....
Pray i never rule the world Infidels!
So highliting peoples actual position is considered harassment?
Hell, at this rate I don't know if there'll even be an FA this year, and what's to stop the next provider from pulling the same thing that AlertPay has. Granted, I'm no cub fan, not in the least, but this kinda thing to me is a slippery slope since it opens the door for other stuff getting axed as well.
Speaking of AlertPay though, fuck them, fuck them hard for taking the money and not bothering to give it back after they screwed FA over.
a) They are thoughtless by nature and it's a wonder they're admins.
b) They're fighting 20+ people and lost their patience and just deleted it out of frustration.
While b) is the most likely, human and understandable, it is not any more excusable :/
(Although I could probably sympathise with them. I've administrated stuff before and sometimes you really lose your temper on people and take it out on the first person who breaks the rules... Although I always realized I'd acted a bit too strong and apologized ^^.
Being in WoW (which I know will garner some laughs and pointed fingers), I help run our guild as a council member. My role is very specific: I'm the raid leader. I oversee the raiding for our guild as well as being a general council member, able to be approached by any member of the guild.
We have ten council members. Each one has a defined job and, if not, knows what they can and cannot do. We have a guild leader, a very straight up, fun-loving mother (literally, she has two adorable boys who the guild helped put to bed one night :3) who takes her job as seriously as one playing a game can. She oversees the council, helps decisions get made and is NEVER rash.
Votes are made by the council and actions taken are in the guild's best interest, Funny thing is, no one in the guild has yet told us we're messing things up.
So what is this thought leading to? Simple. If a site/guild/business has a strong leadership with carefully controlled council members who all have roles that they fulfill, the site/guild/business will flourish and be held together very strongly. If, however, the site/guild/business ISN'T based off of strong leadership, it will eventually start to collapse from the inside-out. Council members will run unchecked and do whatever they like, guild members will feel trodden upon, and the leader him/herself will gain a bubble of *CAN'T BE BOTHERED* around them, making them nigh unapproachable with either bad news or suggestions. Before my current guild, that was the guild I was in.
Stirring how much WoW can show you, isn't it?
Basically, after reading Dragoneer's post about what went down, it seems to me at least that the cub stuff wasn't actually the cause of their actions, so much as the excuse. After all, if it was really that horrible to them, why were they doing business with FA in the first place? This idea is given more weight by the various posts I stumbled upon, saying that this is hardly the first time this company has screwed someone over.
So, what I think went down, was at first they didn't give a rat's ass about what was on the site, as long as they kept getting their share of the money going to the site. After a bit though, someone over there realized that there was a rather Large amount of money coming to the site, and decided that they'd much rather have it for themself/themselves. So, after decided that, they steal all the current donation money that hadn't been sent to the admins yet, and claim it's due to the cub stuff, knowing full well the kind of reception anyone representing FA would get in court once the whole 'cub' thing was brought up, and hence figuring the legal repercussions would be nill.
An alternative to this, and one that's not quite so sinister, would be that the management of the company went through a change, and what was permissible before was unacceptable now, hence the dropping of the service, though even then you've got the fact that the money apparently went missing all of a sudden.
I dunno, with how this seems to be slamming/hurting so many people, it's almost like a bad tragedy film, guess I'm just inclined to try and find some big bad villain at the bottom or something, rather than just more human stupidity/greed/ignorance, like it almost always is...
But nah, I won't bother getting mad at the situation, as I can't do anything about it, and as I always try to live by the creed 'Only worry about that which you can change', so on to things I can do something about I guess.
You can stay in this rowboat, OR, there a nice, shiny new speedboat just waiting for you a few feet away, with the name InkBunny on it. Not much sense in caring what happens to the rowboat anymore, eh? ;)
But if the idea is to ditch cub stuff, stick with AlertPay and hope they don't do it again for some other reason... yeah, in that case all involved need to have their head's checked.
But yeah, I'll probably check out InkBunny at some point, even if only to see how it differs.
Corporations don't like the look of it, cub art is too "wishy washy" so to speak. And here in Canada I HIGHLY doubt anyone will come about and challenge the charter or rights and freedoms about this; politicians want to be elected, and I'm sure the media can spin cub art in an extremely negative way, if they challenge a controversial law it would piss a lot of people off. And we do have limited free speech in Canada supposedly... there was a bill passed in 1960 which insured us the "right to free speech" but our actual charter of rights and freedoms doesn't specifically say I THINK I may not know exactly but I think the charter doesn't say exactly on it. It would fall under section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms if you want to look into it... but I think if anyone made a big enough stink, it'd be legalized!