frustrated, flinch-y new glider mom. :(
14 years ago
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echo and topher are just a joy to have around. i love them so much, you guys, and we aren't even bonded yet.
why not? it's not a failure on the part of my breeder or the little guys themselves, trust me.
here's the thing: i'm flinchy.
case in point: today, i was removing the big sleepy pouch (which they've favored a lot lately) to "borrow" it to clean it. i managed to get it halfway out of the cage, when echo and topher got really rambunctious and started flying all over the place inside the cage. echo landed on my arm. i was like "oh shit." i tried to get her to go into one of the new pouches, and she went halfway in, only to run back out and settle on my forearm.
she starts doing what i NOW know is either testing nibbles or grooming -- she's done it to me before -- a lick, lick, lick, lick, followed by a pinch and a harder pinch, a pinch that i know will keep getting harder unless i stop it. i got scared, i blew lightly on her face to stop her. i've tried "psst!" and "no!" but it never deters her, so i blew on her face a little and she panicked and kind of toppled off my arm onto the bottom of the cage. the drop was only a foot and a half, but i don't know if she jumped or just fell. she seemed fine after. but still. she was scared by it. and probably less likely to approach me than before, which is what upsets me.
in immediate hindsight, i was like "goddamnit, HD!!" she wasn't going to draw blood. she's just curious about me, and of course, i always panic. i'm not letting her make any progress with me (or her brother, by that token). it's just, she's a nibbler. i don't know what to do. i can't seem to quell my urge to flinch or shake her off or whatever else happens to occur to my reflexes to do.
and it upsets me SO much, because of course i already want to be at the stage where they happily come over to me and where i can just pull them out of their pouches with my bare hands and put them into their bonding pouches, but right now i feel like a complete failure. ; ;
sure, i can feed them the best possible diet and treat them and make sure everything is clean, and i can talk to them through the cage and hand-feed them treats, but how am i going to progress if i'm so subconsciously terrified of being bitten that i flinch at every little thing? they clearly are ready to be close to me. it's me that seems to have the problem. ; ;
so sad...
-hd
edit: I'm starting over with freshly me-scented blankets every night and was able to finally acquire applesauce (slacktastic on my part, i know). so i opened the bottom door of the cage and got both furbats to take a little off my finger. they're still wary as hell of me... i set myself ten billion steps back, but there's no place too far back to start, y'know? <3 tent time in a week. til then, blankets and applesauce.
echo and topher are just a joy to have around. i love them so much, you guys, and we aren't even bonded yet.
why not? it's not a failure on the part of my breeder or the little guys themselves, trust me.
here's the thing: i'm flinchy.
case in point: today, i was removing the big sleepy pouch (which they've favored a lot lately) to "borrow" it to clean it. i managed to get it halfway out of the cage, when echo and topher got really rambunctious and started flying all over the place inside the cage. echo landed on my arm. i was like "oh shit." i tried to get her to go into one of the new pouches, and she went halfway in, only to run back out and settle on my forearm.
she starts doing what i NOW know is either testing nibbles or grooming -- she's done it to me before -- a lick, lick, lick, lick, followed by a pinch and a harder pinch, a pinch that i know will keep getting harder unless i stop it. i got scared, i blew lightly on her face to stop her. i've tried "psst!" and "no!" but it never deters her, so i blew on her face a little and she panicked and kind of toppled off my arm onto the bottom of the cage. the drop was only a foot and a half, but i don't know if she jumped or just fell. she seemed fine after. but still. she was scared by it. and probably less likely to approach me than before, which is what upsets me.
in immediate hindsight, i was like "goddamnit, HD!!" she wasn't going to draw blood. she's just curious about me, and of course, i always panic. i'm not letting her make any progress with me (or her brother, by that token). it's just, she's a nibbler. i don't know what to do. i can't seem to quell my urge to flinch or shake her off or whatever else happens to occur to my reflexes to do.
and it upsets me SO much, because of course i already want to be at the stage where they happily come over to me and where i can just pull them out of their pouches with my bare hands and put them into their bonding pouches, but right now i feel like a complete failure. ; ;
sure, i can feed them the best possible diet and treat them and make sure everything is clean, and i can talk to them through the cage and hand-feed them treats, but how am i going to progress if i'm so subconsciously terrified of being bitten that i flinch at every little thing? they clearly are ready to be close to me. it's me that seems to have the problem. ; ;
so sad...
-hd
edit: I'm starting over with freshly me-scented blankets every night and was able to finally acquire applesauce (slacktastic on my part, i know). so i opened the bottom door of the cage and got both furbats to take a little off my finger. they're still wary as hell of me... i set myself ten billion steps back, but there's no place too far back to start, y'know? <3 tent time in a week. til then, blankets and applesauce.
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you could try to teach yourself without your gliders... have someone pinch you progressively until they make you bleed an remind yourself thru the whole thing to pick up dont flinch. I had to do that with her... knowing shes got no teeth just a small crushing mouth which really cant hurt me. the hissing is what startles me an the open mouth. i just gotta remember that. Its different to an extent, but the same too. *hugs* gl dear dont beat yourself up too much just because youre experienced dont mean your pro.. even pros at it im sure get startled at times
i am just hoping this is something a lot of glider owners go through their first time, and that soon enough we'll be bonded and loving one another like we're supposed to. i know it will happen... it's just a matter of when. ; ; and i hate feeling like a failure, because i just love them so damn much. i want to be the best mom possible for them. :( i'll keep trying! i need to just man up and take it.
In any case, if you don't know, it's best to ask an expert. Which, presumably, the breeder is.
ratties hurt sometimes when they groom too lol. I had to kind of deal with scratches from t heir paws when they get at my scalp. the cute things think they're helping. I don't blame them...my hair's a mess.
so when i got wobbles about 5 years ago, well, let's just say his first exploratory bite bled so much the dining room looked like a scene from an alfred hitchcock movie.
wobbles lived a long, happy, healthy life completely independent of human handling. LOL. i was never able to bring myself to try and train him out of biting. so i guess maybe it's that subconscious cue that's made me wary of the gliders, though i know they're much smarter than hamsters.
i will try to go zen when i deal with them, and of course, i always try to go on their own time, not mine. and i'll have licky treats ready.
I'm going to sound like the dog whisperer (oh god) but you have to live in the present. Don't worry about what MIGHT happen with them. Just enjoy what IS happening. You get freaked out over a maybe too much and you'll never enjoy the certainty.
you should be an animal whisperer :D haha. you're smarter than cesar milan. i think that guy's a bit of a crackpot.
But the "Live in the present" stuff definitely is good advice and that's for a LOT of things especially for people like me with bad anxiety. that all stems from thinking horrid things about the -future- not the here and now. XD
i will try to keep this in mind, though. really, solid advice.
the problem is, when we go in for "tent time", it's easy enough keeping track of and bonding with one, but two at once is hard. you can be working on getting one to stop nibbling, but two at once climbing on, gliding around, and biting you is -- well -- it's like a mini version of "the birds"! it's easy to get nervous. but they're really VERY sweet, just exploratory and very young.
These days I'm momma to a growing little turkey, who likes to try and attack my lipring while he's on my shoulder. Worse when he pecks at my glasses, too close to my eyes for my taste. First time he grabbed a hold of the ring, I almost bat him right off my shoulder. Now, when he does it, I just pull my head away and he quits.
What I've found helps, is to spend time with them and specifically, just pay attention. Do nothing else but sit there and allow them to do their thing. Be aware of what they are doing as they are doing it, so that the nibbling doesn't startle you. If she usually starts licking first, then you know it's coming, and you can mentally prepare yourself to endure or stop it. It's like watching a scary movie and repeating to yourself that something is about to jump out, so you don't flinch or startle when it does. It may help slow down your reaction to flinch, so that you can stop her more calmly. I don't know how effective tapping their nose might be, I know it would work on my rats to distract them from their nibbling or licking. Or just gently scratching or touching them in general.
After a while, you do begin to trust them, and they you, and you can better predict their behavior. The suggestion to have someone pinch you might help, too. I would suggest even turning away from the person at times, so that you can't always see them doing it. That way it prepares you for the times that you may not have any warning.
The most important thing, I think, is that you WANT to control the reaction. If you think about it consciously and consistently while handling them, the reaction will eventually become more natural as you do bond with them. Spending time with them is probably the most important thing that will help you get through this.
ahhh, thank you so much! just giving her the chance to "do her thing" and letting myself observe her is GREAT advice.
wow, a turkey? :D what an interesting little companion! it seems we at FA have an amazing array of little creatures. <3 thank you for the insight. i will most definitely consider this tonight when i handle them again!
I wish you luck with your little ones! <3 I'm sure with perseverance, you'll get through the flinching and be a proper, loving mommy. Sometimes being a mom to anything just means you've gotten get uncomfortable. <3
and even the adorable ones can seem like deathtraps. :D
i'll keep trying! they love me, i love them. i want to be inseparable with them, so i have to keep trying. it's just a matter of time and perseverance!
if only they were as easy as cats and dogs... :D
Oh yea, at least the turkey is still in his "cute" stage. He just looks like a seriously oversized chick, but you can see that ugly turkey face starting to come in. He also wont stop fussing and pacing around the cage right now, trying to get to me. It's 3AM, dude! No shoulder, go to bed already! The cat AND the dog in the room have already done so. *laughs* He's honestly like a baby or something. If he can't see me because I'm rolled over facing the other side of the bed, he freaks out. He peeps loudly almost every I leave the room! Sometimes in delay, like he's waiting to see if I come right back and when I don't, he starts calling for me. So not cute when people are trying to sleep! But he does join me on my chores outside. And no one can say that this turkey doesn't cuddle. I suppose that's some credit for this future, hideous thing. XD
Can I just go back to tiny adorable rodent things?
you know, i know a few people on glidercentral.net who have skunks! i was like WTF! but apparently they're insanely sweet, really smart, and can even be kept fully "skunked" with no problems. it is apparently not an issue when they're domesticated, like, at all. i was so surprised!
OH, and you know what? It just occurred to me that one of your glider's is named Topher.
.... My turkey is named Topher! *laughs* I made a tofurky joke when we first got him and my mother went on and on about how that was so cute and she liked it. I was like "seriously?" So he ended up being Topher. We got him a little companion and named her Grace (Topher Grace? Har? ) but she died after the first few days. She just wasn't gaining any weight or retaining heat even with the heating pad.
Bah, anyway. How silly. XD I think I even wrote an entry mentioning it.
(I did! http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2200493/ )
Actually, it's hard to believe he's only a month old and this big already. :x I should take a picture.
/babble
well. my dad had raccoons in the boonies in Louisiana in the 50s. one of them was named bandit, too. they wound up turning them loose after half a year because they literally would bust out of their cages every day. <3 but he has fond memories. they're a little too smart though. i'd be worried.
otters, too. i'd love to have one, but damn. those guys are mess-makers.
hahaha! :D my gliders are named after characters in the tv series "dollhouse". one is a scary boy genius (topher brink), the other is a mind-wiped blank identity for hire who winds up strangely protective of the former (echo). but "topher" after "tofurkey" is absolutely perfect... *dying*
Honestly, half of our animals get called food names anyway. Our dog Caesar is "Cheese", the little one, Callie, is "Calamari." Topher and tofurky fit the bill around here. XD
I use to name all of my animals after Jrockers. :x *snort* And the escaping is what my mom said about her racoons too. My boyfriend would never in a million years let me have one, though. He HAAAAATES racoons because of those creepy little hands. XD Hahaha
XD At least those names are cute! What drives me crazy is when people name their animals people names or goofy things like fluffy and powder and bubba. *facepalm*
I also try to be a cautious as possible when picking my rats up - every time they bite me I look at my actions and it really is ME most of the time not acting correctly.
You can get spray bottles at 99 cent stores or from cleaning and maintenance sections of grocery stores, wincos, malls, etc.
They're great for any discipline like cage chewing, biting, flying on places they shouldn't be, etc heh
Hope it helps, and I hope you bond with them sooner than later!
PS - don't loose faith in hissing "PSST" and "NO." - they really work and just have patience.
I always *talk* to my rats, and save squeaking (even though its cute) for NO - they understand it and stop very quickly because for rats at least - squeaking in the pitch we can hear means "STOP I AM HURT"
Don't be scared - be happy and confident - you're teaching your baby gliders how to play with you! They will teach you how to play with them too!
i will keep trying "psst" and "no." i think if i keep at it, maybe echo will get the picture. i'd prefer to do that than to blow on her, because i know it scares her less. and i know they'll teach me if i just let them! <3
2) i will do this. :D i need to do tent time more. it'll just be easier now that i have applesauce and once i get some stuff to hang in the tent.
3) <3 i'll talk to my breeder regardless. but she's just gonna go "HAVE TENT TIME! MOAR!!"
I've only ever had cats, so I commend you on being able to handle all the flying and jumping at any rate, haha.
Impressive though! If you ever can, you should grab a vid of them taking a flight.
being nibbled for the first time would make anyone flinch. I had that issue trying to coax wild squirrels to me. Not quite the same, i know, but when youre after the world's softest fur with teeny hands picking seeds from your palm, a little flinch can set you back weeks in your efforts.
Thankfully, rodents of almost all kinds are usually quick to forgive those who feed and love them.
so they can indeed take a chunk out of you if they bite in the right place. if they try to bite a balled-up fist, the flat of your hand, or your forearm, it would take a lot of work and anger to actually draw blood. but a finger? don't google "sugar glider bite infection"... X3