The Public and Furries
14 years ago
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What do you feel the public's opinion on furries is? Why? Do you feel that is justified?
Please keep replies respectful and mature. We have updated our rules so please keep in mind there is to be no name calling, flaming, or trolling.
Please keep replies respectful and mature. We have updated our rules so please keep in mind there is to be no name calling, flaming, or trolling.
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I think people should give each other a chance and not stereotype or be mean to each other just over a personal preference.
Hmm, I heard of something like that happening in SheezyArt, I think.
I honestly don't think the public opinion on furries is justified, simply for the fact that the stereotypical furries go out and make themselves so much more obvious than the rest of us. It's like two different pictures, one of a PG-drawn furry and one of a porn furry... Only the porn furry is a lot bigger and has $1K worth of sound system on it, blasting its presence. No one's going to look at the clean furry, even though it's still just as there as the porn furry. We're just not as loud as they are, so the good side of furry gets so overlooked that no one really knows it exists. <:/
And then theirs those of us that do it properly and respectfully and pick up their "trash" which is the bad name they leave for us.
Of course, that's just fursuiting. In GENERAL their views on us are obviously bad and they always will be- this fandom is a disgusting pit of smutt and we will never be viewed as anything other than "sexual deviants".
I never put down people who try to make their own fursuit because of low funds or whatever. A lot of people succeed! Yet some, fail horribly.. and what I don't understand is why they can't identify that what they made is... well... bad? If you think that a pile of fur with skin and foam showing with crooked eyes and disproportionate muzzles and ears and stuff is a sea worthy fursuit, then save your money because you probably shouldn't be making them.
At school I don't think a lot of people even know what a furry is, unless they're into anime. 'Cus then, anime = internet + art, and that's pretty much the same for furries.
But then, in a lot of MMOs I play not a lot of people seem to know what furries are either— ESPECIALLY one which is anime-style, so that kind of contradicts my last statement.
Then there's lovely YouTube, where everyone is horrible. Perverted people, including furries, and trolls, etc... yeah, it seems like a lot of YouTubers know (or at least THINK they know) what furries are. Their opinion is usually the bad one, that we hate humans and watch porn all day.
One thing I have noticed, though, is that if someone hates furries, I either knew that person as a bad person, I didn't know them and that was the first thing I heard from them, or I just in general didn't trust them or didn't have a good feeling about them. For example, in one of those MMOs, I was in this guild, and (even then) I honestly knew I didn't trust most of them, except the Officer. Then one of them tells me their deviantART account, and when I tell him that he might not like my art if he didn't like furries, that was exactly the case. He said, and I quote, "I hate furfags xD" I didn't show it, but I was really offended. Of course, he never did give me a reason as to why he said that.
But then there's people I had been friends with a long time and trusted. When I said I was thinking about the fandom, they were just fine with it. There was one, though, I honestly didn't trust as much as the others. And what do you know? Not long ago, he said something (I can't quote it 'cus I forgot exactly what he said) which implied that he didn't like furries, but didn't hate me because I wasn't much of a furry. Really shows you how much he knows about me... He said he knows I'm a furry but I don't draw furries all the time. I do remember I said, "Shows how much you go on deviantART." <i>(Off-topic: He said he didn't go on because he was a writer and "writers don't draw". I highly disagree, considering I write a lot as well as draw a lot—but of course how would HE know that?)</i>
Sorry if that seemed a little pointless. I was trying to give examples; Good people always seem to be tolerant and fine with furries, and the exact opposite for bad/untrustworthy people.
And really this is just my opinion. I don't know if any of it could be taken as offensive, but don't take it seriously if it is.
But yes. Some of us writers DO draw also. I might not be as good drawing as I am writing, but I´m mature enough to admit that I do have above-average drawing skills.
So count me as 100% on that: I'm glad you said it. :)
I don't fursuit, and people who know me offline don't even know I'm furry at all, but come on!
"Oh you have sex in a suit! That's disgusting!"
"Oh my God, yes it is! I don't see how people can do that!"
"But... you're... furry... sex... *fizzle*"
"Uh.. did you just SAY fizzle?"
But people only pay attention to those that do.
People usually don't know that not all of those who are into bestiality are not furries.
We just have to deal and do our thing.
There's porn involved with every fandom but it's annoying how we're most readily associated with it.
Not to say that we're exactly "normal," but being normal is vastly overrated.
I replied: "No, not at all." and carried on 'suiting with everyone. ^^;
But you are right about something. I myself am not a sick perverted guy who only thinks in the most repugnant sexual acts, like the ones you mentioned.
No... I´m a proud Furry.
That led into me explaining furry to her and the first thing she asked afterwards was "Is it a fetish?" I wasn't about to lie to save face and said that to some folks, yes it is.
It's really something that I think we've been wrestling with for a while now. There's the part of the fandom that wants to keep the PR to a minimum, keep tight reigns on the damage control, you know? Then you have a part that just kinda wallows in every stereotype, acts out in public, the Uncle Franks as we call them. Then there's another part of the fandom that honestly just doesn't give a fuck, whether it be because they don't associate as a furry, or they just don't bother paying attention to the public perception.
IT's kinda hard for me to say where I fall on the grid. As the head of a local furry club, I was very much the first one. Now that I'm always gone and very transient, I don't really care anymore.
not all furs are perverts. :\
XD
It is true some people don't know about us, but most do I think. My husbands parents I think are finally getting that we are that, we kind of.... eased them into it. Now I can work on suit's in front of them and they're like... okay.... there's a big rabbit head on the couch... XD
Most people I know that do know about us don't have a negative opinion about us, but I know a few that do.
Anything thats not "normal" to most people scares the crap out of them, and when people are scared they come to really stupid conclusions. Go watch reefer madness, you'll know what I mean.
So, when a person should have to explain what a "furry" is, he/she should say, "Furry is an organization of people with different inhuman crazes," then stating what branch of furry you are, "I'm an Anthro Artist (Or whatever you are)', and I like to draw cute, anthro-animals."
Wouldn't you agree that when you call yourself a furry, you're calling yourself many different things that you may not be? IT'S AN ORGANIZATION.
Here's all the branches of the Furry Organization:
-Photographer
-Writer
-Musician
-Anime Artist
-Anthro Artist
-Watcher
-Pr0n Artist
-Digital Artist
-Traditional Artist
-3D Modeler
-Landscaper
-3D Animator
-App Skinner
-Art Whore
-Fursuit Maker
-Fursuiter
-Crafter
-Remier
Are you really all these? Maybe you're just a fursuiter, but people also mistake you for a Pr0n Artist. Call yourself what you are of the Furry Organization.
Most furries don't know what Yerf is. Yerf WAS a clean furry art archive that went offline due to a catastrophic hardware failure. It was also the way to get rid of the idiots walking in off the street. People with passing fancies/interests in anthropomorphism were directed to Yerf. Once satiated with rated PG clean furry art, they LEFT. This was a very very good thing.
"People come to a party that they don't understand, but they're just smart enough to know that they're the stupidest people there, so that makes them mad." ~Marilyn Manson
You have to make sure that people who are only superficially interested in furry remain on its outer borders. The way you do that is by creating a rated-PG furry archive and directing newcomers to it -- and then let *them* decide on their own if they want to look for more.
Most people don't realize that, in the early fandom days, the furry porn was held on special furry newsgroup servers that you had to manually look for the URL address hidden away on some obscure website, then download a newsreader, and configure it correctly. It used to be that people had to subscribe to umpteen Yahoo Groups (that were all private and unlisted) to get that furry porn.
This insular system kept out the sick fucks by making it too time-consuming to acquire the esoteric fandom knowledge necessary to gain access to the bulk of the fandom's erotic content for the uncommitted or the dangerously stupid to gain access.
It was only with the advent of PUBLIC IMAGE-BOARDS, that spread erotic furry content to people who couldn't handle it responsibly (pedos/animal fuckers/moral crusaders who can't see any type of furry porn as anything other than bestiality (because the sickness resides dormant within them)) very well, that the fandom developed a freefall in its social standards. You want to know why Fchan has a DNP list? It's because the early furry subculture didn't want to lose control over itself to sperging random retards and tried to blacklist Fchan.
How ironic it is that obscure furry imageboards (HINT: e621 and fchan aren't amongst them) that are deliberately not well known have now become the new secret clans and darknets of the furry fandom. The difference between the new fandom hideouts and the old though, is that the old fandom forums were populated by primarily the producers of furry content, while the new fandom forums are populated by exclusive non-creative consumers of furry content, and the gash in the difference of ethics between the two groups over entitlement and property is very noticeable.
The way to return sanity is to place a large, squeaky-clean furry content in furry websites and furry conventions in front of the public that blocks said public's view of the fandom's more mature elements. Since these irresponsible sex-fiends spreading STDs with anonymous sex at conventions come from the unwashed public, blocking the sexual fandom's visibility by putting PG furry content as the first thing John Q. Public sees will cause a drying up of the influx of new perverts.
(Side Note: The word "yiffy" used to mean sex between two anthropomorphic characters. The definition of the word "yiffy" has, unfortunately, mutated in the "nu-Fandom" to now mean sex between two anonymous strangers. Hence this group's existence for "people who are not into sex with random people" by describing themselves as "NotYiffy".)
This proposed restructuring to put non-erotic content in front of John Q. Public is not aimed to "get rid" of or "marginalize" the adult artwork. It will just do a lot to keep unstable, unbalanced people away from it -- those wonderful people who can't resist telling the media about their castration soiled diaper pedo fetishes (sometimes by acting on them in real life). We can protect the fandom and turn off the source of depravity by funneling the sociopathic time bombs floating dormant in the mainstream through nice, ground-floor, clean channels and guided tours of the Disney-level surface fandom (a drop of prevention is worth a ton of cure), and then make the adult stuff difficult to get at for the technologically un-savvy -- of which the sperging retards are a incredibly large part of.
Result: You must be really interested in anthropomorphism and have an IQ over 110 to get at the good stuff. Pedo-bestiality scatological diaper-fetish problem solved.
It might be much much easier to start a new fandom, style it "Mascots and Monsters". Base it, not on anthropomorphism or cartoon characters (though anthropomorphic costumes and TV characters would be welcome), but rather on people doing cool family-friendly stunts in costumes and people who have jobs attracting crowds by dressing up in costumes during promotional gigs for corporate America, enforce a very draconian PG-13 code, and then have secret, but decent furries running the show that keep their involvement, perhaps even their identities, in the two fandoms completely separated.
^^^^This might be PLAN "A".^^^^
We can't really make it less sane (apart from nearly every mascot and cartoon character, of course), so that could be said to be prejudice.
The porn, on the other hand, is squarely our fault.
I just found this group and must say I love it so far. It hasent been long mind you that I've been lurking around this group. But I must say I love it. I love it because oh my god other furs think like me. I would love to see more furs think like this. If not the sake for the fandom or the public, or for your other fur friend, but for themselves. How many times must I defend a sex addict fur I lost count. Usually the same ones, only to see themselves make it worst the minut I turn my back.
I must say it's hard not to bring out the claws when said fur runs up to you in class saying very loudly 'look what I drew last night LOL'' *shows not work safe art* ofcourse you get the other friend coming up to see as well and off goes the siren.... well fantastic, you caught in the middle almost all eye on you and you must now explain and hope to any god that you wont get beat up.
I only wish the other furs who love the furry porn way to much to atleast control themselves in public places and con's. I do mean every type of con's. Nothing is more discouraging then hearing your teacher tell you they saw furrs do 'very bad things' at a comic book con. Seriously one day guys, one day is all I ask.
I fail to see why common courtesy seems to disapear the moment someone is a fur. I'm just as polite with or without my tail on, why cant you guys do the same?
Thats my two cents xD.
"The Public" doesn't give a damn. In all the time I've been furry-ing, I've gotten a grand total of ONE negative reaction. Then again, I never really made a big deal out of being a furry. Usually how people find out is they see me with a sketchbook, they peek over my shoulder, and say "What're you drawing?", I say "What you see on the paper." 99% of the time, they don't know what a furry is.
I usually explain it to them, they usually say "That's kinda wierd," I say "Yeah, it is, huh?", and we both go on our merry way.
Those who have heard of us before usually seem to realize that not all of us can be pervs.
Then again, maybe I just live in some kind of government-enforced furry-tolerance zone.
I think it's because for the most part, furies are disgusting lowlifes. For the most part.
Hey wait! I'm a furry! Dose that mean I'm a disgusting lowlife?!
No, I said most are, not all. If you don't think you are one, then there is no problem.
But to educate people on what we are, or what we do, we have to ask us that question ourselves... What is a Furry? To be honest, I think that we all Furries have been making the question of "who we are" since our beginings...
I think that we Furries are a lot of things, but at the end there is something that makes us equal. And it is the need to detach from our human identity. Now, this might be done for various reasons, and in various levels.
Some Furries (If we can call them Furries) do it just as a fetish. And make it an excuse to do things that would be considered tabu in our human society, e.g: vore, coprophilia, bestialism, and other severe sexual perversions. Somehow, taking a fictional identity that detaches them from humanity, gives them an "excuse" for doing such things, even if its throughout art, and not reality. I don´t judge no one, but that type of thing doesn´t really fit in our fandom.
Some others find it easier to express their sexuality in the fandom, since human society is very harsh in this aspect. I´m talking about being attracted by the same sex. There is nothing wrong in this since we are talking about people looking for someone to love. And that´s something really beautiful. One of the things I love the most about the fandom.
But being a Furry is not all about sex, or sexual identity! That´s what "normal" people have to understand. There are Furries, that really don´t care about the sexual aspect of the fandom, and it is only an escape from all that it´s human. I would consider myself being part of this group of Furries. This group has either suffered all their lives from the negatives of the human race. We all know that humans can be very... evil, lets say. Society is filled with unfounded predjudices that can scar the very heart and soul of a person. That´s why some of us are just looking for an escape. And we find it in our fantasies, hidding behind our Fursonas. There is absolutly nothing wrong on that. Being a Furry for most, brings out the best out of them. And I see it every single day that I log into this beautiful site.
What I like about most Furries is that we have found in ourselves our true kind nature, and that can be seen in the whole fandom. That´s because the outside world would simply deny that type of behaviour. For example, if you´re a guy with your group of friends that like to party and drink beer all night, you wouldn´t be acting all mellow and feeling all ":3" or "^_^", because you would simply be framed as being gay or some other stupid predjudice.
So yes. I think that being a real Furry is a good thing. And if other people find their Furry self inside them, this would be a world of understanding and tolerance.
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Furry art/stories was always around us. There are several stories from the middle age that involved talking animals, not to mention cartoons with animals, like looney tunes or micky mouse^^. Or mascot's from sport clubs.
However, some people are jut close-minded. CSI-episode? Porn pics on google image? It means all of them are like that. But it's the same in any fandom: WoW. We think of thoe no-lifes in front of their computer.
Human always see the bad side of something unknown. If they learned what really a furry is, then we could get a break
Why?
Well... the answer is simple.
This is why.
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/6244647/
justified or unjustified, depends on what's being said and to whom. if you go telling strangers about your sex life or deepest fantasies, or partaking of such things in public (and in this case public does not include posting some pics on a furry site), then expect some backfire, if people accidentally find out or go through their own means such as asking or "spying" (or checking out some furry sites), then it's not justified cause they're the ones bringing personal life into public life, and finally, if your judged for being something your not, then it's not justified either obviously
to all the people who are judging the furs that have sex in their fur suits, that's their business until they go announcing it to you, or do it publicly, if they do it privately, whether it be with a stranger a mate or trusted sexual partner, and don't go announcing it the world, then why not leave them be? and if your gonna judge, why not judge the ones that do it publicly, FOR DOING IT PUBLICLY, rather than for the kink itself =/
as for fursuiters, it takes a lot of self confidence to be willing to go out in public in a fursuit, and be that open about who you are you guys got my respect for that, I don't necessarily think you guys hurting anyone by being that open, but in this case, you can't complain if you get some odd stares
porn, porn can be found anywhere, there's just as much non furry porn, probably more in existence, should less of it be allowed and the more excessive porn lovers be kicked out, to gain a better image, I don't think so, I'm not into porn myself, but I believe that if we have to become a bit more like "normal" society to gain it's acceptance, it's not worth it, didn't our parents, teachers and role models, ever teach us it's better to be who we are rather than what others want us to be just to be in? cause mine sure did, hell I'm a senior in highschool and my one of teachers still says that to us, and deep down I thank her for that every time she does
same goes for fetishes, anyone can have them, a lot of furries do, and the minute you try to limit the ones allowed in the fandom, to the more "normal" ones, to get a little bit of acceptance from "normal" people, you just step on the heads of the ones you left behinds
If a person just attacks someone who is a furry (doesn't like porn),it's like giving the sane ones a bad name. Alot of people automatically think that a furry likes porn/fetishes,but there are some clean furs too!
Just because a person who draws animals and isn't a furry and, doesn't mean he/she is against to furries (well it depends kinda)
I wonder when furries becamed associated with porn/fetishes...somehow disgusts me. :I
Although I generally agree when people say that furry is a fetish, I don't think it holds any relation with zoophilia perse (even though there are always going to be people who are into that extreme sorta stuff). Its just that most people outside the community tend to be quickly turned off by sexual imagery involving animals, even when they're half human.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against furries, it's just that these extremists are giving the fandom a very bad name. They don't seem to care about the negative implications their cheap excuse of an art/story/furry-related fetish is giving to the fandom.
I just wish one day a White Knight(s) will come charging in and bring change to the fandom for the greater good. If only...
Now that is Paradise.
9 times out of 10, if they get the impression we're all about sex, it will be because too many of us introduce them to the conflicts in the fandom before explaining what the object of the fandom is. That is, in fact, how we got into this public image mess in the first place.
If someone outside the fandom asks about sex in the fandom, then it's ok to talk about it. But otherwise, it's best to just talk about the things the fandom was inspired by - things people in the general public might have some awareness of and understand why such things would have a fandom.
To help Furries have a better understanding of how to explain the fandom to the public, I have created The Furry History Project.
http://spectralshadows.livejournal.com/46979.html
This explains the fandom as a fandom, which is the main thing the general public will be wondering, "what's it a fandom for?"
That any fandom functions as a social gathering phenomenon for people of like interest is a given. No need to explain that. No need to draw them into any of our internal disputes.
Our public image is all up to the individual Furry who acts as our ambassador to the outside world. Present us well, and the public will think well of us.
Most have absolutely no clue what a furry is. If you tell them "You're a furry," they deadpan and then ask "What the heck is that?"
I find that the general public doesn't care you're a furry. Most just see you the person and unless YOU make a big deal out of it ... they don't care. The worst thing for a furry to do is to say "We're not what the internet says we are. We don't focus on sex!" ... Instead, just say nothing and express your love for art, being derpy, and the things you enjoy about the fandom that do not relate to sexual subjects.
The only people who know, and hate us, are the internet savy people. People who are gamers, go out there and look up these things for the purpose of trolling. That's it, that's all... Nothing more.
So far I've given up hiding. I have way to much fun acting in public in suit to be hiding. Every friend I've told [and I wasn't sure I should tell them,] has scolded me with "Whoa! Why the hell didn't you tell me this about yourself? It's fascinating and awesome! Holy crap I had no idea!" And have since joined me in my outings to parks and public spaces to suit up and entertain the public.
Don't be a zealot about furry and hammer it into peoples brains. This scares people. Just enjoy it and have fun with it around people. They'll get the idea and know it's not creepy.