*shrugs*... you got me on that one buddy. SB.

I debated answering this. On the one hand I consider you something of a friend. Perhaps a foil or friendly Devil's Advocate. On the other hand I... I honestly dislike and feel a vague disgust towards the things you describe. Or more than a vague disgust. I feel such a socialist drive towards the sharing of factual knowledge and information (it is the scientist in me) that I may be inclined to violate my own desire to never tell folk of things I have found that offended and horrified me.

I think the reason you see what you see is that we are, more or less, ordinary people leading fairly ordinary lives. There's a reason feel-good movies like Love, Actually or The Terminal make money (even violent feel good movies like Zero Dark Thirty which have an undercurrent of rah-rah for mom and apple pie.) We like emotional validation. Especially in a dark time and climate, with poor economic indicators and raving fringe loons. Even sad things need touches of humanity. Otherwise the majority of the audience is lost. And as capitalism teaches us, the invisible hand of the market is swift and cruel in its punishment of those that stray. Those thus castigated learn their lesson, unless they are especially "married" to their way.

As a matter of confession, I am one of those happy bad folks. The term "grimbright" has been tossed around for such dark themes with cheery or hopeful ends. Just the other day I did a hilariously irreverent hanging scene, where the one hung was joking and talking before switching to a post-cooking scene with the roasted person was still alive and watching the roast. It's odd the ridiculous things I do. But I have this bottomless well of cheer in me that exacts a price: I do not want to be brought down. It is just a little quirk.

But to be a fair and noble person, I must tell, even if it eats my guts. FiMFiction.net has no content restrictions, on the whole. Foal fiddling is distressingly common, and darkly murderous tales are all around. To start you on your dark quest... In general, Von Aschenbach, and Ham Gravy. For your tastes, Brony Stories' "120 Days of Blueblood."

I feel sickened and disgusted with myself for giving more eyes to things I would rather see purged, with fire. But, there you are.

I am not QUITE sure what your saying here....

The point I was trying to make is, I can actually FIND things that turn my stomach....Gristly tortures of cubs (children whatever) and if you make something Gay, almost ANYTHING is ok.

But to get to a point where someone is exploited sexually..actually exploited, seems..WORSE then even the most gristly torture.... I agree most people LIKE emotions, so why are we putting that ONE off limits?

Because you are being obtuse, probably not intentionally. People do not like "emotions" they like positive things, particularly when things are bad. Even bad things need justifications, like bad guys getting killed (death is okay for bad guys; when good guys die there's a half hour memorial scene and swearing of vengeance.) Imagine if a movie ended with all the good guys losing. It would make for a hollow feeling. And the market would punish the makers accordingly.

What I am saying is you can find what you want. Evil people that are evil and enjoy it. Rarity in Ham Gravy's "Tarnished Silver" series is an elegant sadist and torturer both mental and physical. I honestly thing you'd like it, for certain values of like. Ditto with Brony Stories' "120 Days of Blueblood" where he is a decadent and perverse overlord that torments his citizens with glee and creativity.

How is that not what you want?

Wow, I have never had anyone so..mis read something I wrote before... My point is, I can find all KINDS of good guys dieing, all kinds of sadism, what i do not find is a writer that takes on the challenge to make a bad guy you LIKE...someone who is evil but is NOT an elegant sadist....toturer and sadist....

Actually, in conversations with Ham Gravy I believe he has tried to make Rarity a likeable villain. She has a tortured backstory, a fully-fleshed character, proper motivations and a suitably epic arc that shows her growth and change.

I just... Maybe it's me, maybe I'm dim but I just don't understand, fundamentally, what you're trying to find. It sounds like everything ai've mentioned but you say it is not. I mention these writers do not shy away from hard subjects, at all, and there are no promised happy endings or cheerful redemptions.

Now I'm just mentioning these things purely out of confusion. You have thrown down the gauntlet: You have made a statement I cannot understand . And the one thing that tortures me is not UNDERSTANDING. I want to understand.

I never mean to insult ANYone, what I am trying to explain is, some really HARD subjects, your right, they WILL write about, but there are some subjects, that i think are actually milder, that seem to be MORE taboo.

Look at it this way.

Me personally, IRL, I woudl not want to be tortured, and murdered, over a series of weeks. NOR would I want to be raped.... However if I was told I HAD to choose one..end me over....

It seems like people will write about the most sadistic stuff....physically...but the very concept that Scar..MIGHT win, and actually BE an effective rule (as an example) is..repulsive..or so it seems

Oddly, I kind of did that. But I altered some of the background. Scar was driven crazy by heavy metal poisoning. He actually could have been a decent ruler. And there's an alteration of the end of Two so that Vitani weds Kiara. Some villains are usable. "White as a lily, black as a storm" gives Zira a coat of paint and some tearjerker moments. The anthropomorphized "Savannah City Chronicles" casts Simba as a villain (and the nightmare in "Blue-Eyed Matador" really hammers the point home.)

I THINK I get what you're saying but honestly I'm not sure. I've reached a strange impasse here. I may be like the citizens of Halloween Town trying to understand Christmas: the concept is so alien it is literally beyond my capacity to comprehend. If that is it then I am sorry for spilling so much electronic ink over my ignorance and incapacity. Though I consider myself fairly sharp. There may be a bit of that, but you may be having trouble finding RP partners because you are a bit roundabout and vague when asking for scenes, leading to confusion.

First off, I enjoy conversation, so please do not be sorry for spilling any electronic Ink.

Part of my job, both in the military and in my civilian job, is to watch for "trending"

For example the very first thing that struck me in your last posting was, you said "Scar was driven crazy by metal poisoning" This jumps out to me..because it just SEEMS, that, everyone wants some reason as to "shy" something bad happens. It is never just because Scar was ambitious, cunning and pulled it off.

It's the same as saying, the guy raped her, but it really turned her on and she loved it so they got married.

As someone who deals with psychology, I am fascinated by the whole nature of human thought...For example teh duality of rape in the female mind (I am sure it is in the male mind as well) On the one hand, I do not think any female WANTS to be physically hurt. But on the other hand, in OUR society, a promiscuous woman is considered a social out cast (whore, slut etc) So I have been told my many WELL respected Psychologists, women have "rape" fantasies, not to get hurt...but because it is permission to enjoy the act while avoiding teh social stigma. On the other hand is the violation of something turely against their will.

Knowing this, I want to have what i would think is a typical male fantasy To project myself INTO the Scar character, give myself permission to be cunning, and to TAKE the females I want, and get away with it, especially if Nala is forced to admit...you know sex really IS more satisfying with Scar then with Simba....

Does this make any sense to you?

It does in a certain sense. But as ever it runs into my bottomless well of natural cheer and the price is exacts. No matter the dark fantasies I may have the capacity to like, there needs to be a retooling to satisfy my nature. As I said, I am an ordinary human being living an ordinary life.

I have no opinion on rape fantasies because I am not a woman, and I have no desire to speak from a position of ignorance. I will wait for more studies that use imaging technology to remove subjective variables.

The thing with the heavy metal was more that my Lion King stories were meant as sociopolitical commentary rather than anything psychosexual. Though there is some comedy, slice of life and romance because otherwise they'd be boring. I mean, "Savannah City" is about monetary influence on law and order and the perceptions of disparate groups based on money and standard of living. But there are also jokes about a guy's name, two young adult women on a first date and Twin Peaks references.

So I get some basic ideas, but, like Phoenix Wright, it almost feels like I've found a contradiction. Earlier you said you don't want to see NC where the woman likes it. But down there you talk about Nala admitting sex is better with Scar. Which is a little skeevy, I'm in the "Scar parentage" camp for Nala but, that is neither here nor there.

um...*I* stated something was true 100% of the time?

um....I dare say that falls under the heading of...exaggeration. I am kind of curious why, after such interesting discussion, such an extreme reaction. It is an old concept,overstating the facts to make a point. I mean do you honestly believe I meant that no one on the planet ever does anything different?

The British have a saying....I think it goes...frigg off

i'm stumped... and still aggree with you on this one, finding good players who actually enjoy having a story going on and that actually bends one around to make someting good is almost impossible to find on my end, but not all of them are dragons, for me, i find foxes being he most

Well I am willing to be many things....are you saying you really like foxes?

Well, i didn't catch exactly your drift there, but, wht i meant is that on my side, most people that i find usually are foxes, but on a story, enerally talking, i wouldn't mind a species, what I look for if its good or bad.

what species do you look for?

I don't look for one in spcific, i could RP with anyone basically, for me the species doesn't matter, but te plot in the RP does ^^

I'd like to try an RP with you sometime then

we could, yes, have skype? maybe you can add me on my MSN instead, just say it

Skype no, MSN yes my handle is on my Userpage.....

Already have added ya some day before XD
mine is: draco_war_dragon[at]hotmail.com
not listed there since Skype merged with MSn nowadays, but there ya go if you need it!

I'm afraid I don't know, but I do enjoy your stories and the art you commission! Sometimes a bit of nastiness is just what's needed, and even if it doesn't suit individual taste, there's certainly room for darker fiction out there.