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17 years ago
Ok my Point of View on immigration is:
1 learn the language of the country, defacto or otherwise, no matter what country you hail from. We offer English for America, learn it (yes we do, BTW, because a good friend of mine here,
osiris moved here from Russian parts and managed to learn it. ESL classes)
2: Quit talking about how great your country is that you just left to move here. Accept that some of your cultural practices have to stay behind. America (in this case) is a melting pot, meaning some things go to the wayside (a soup with every ingredient in the world would taste horrible and be inedible). Does not mean you have to abandon your heritage completely, and anyone who tells you that should take a bullet up the ass sideways (don't ask how you do that...I have no clue)
3: both of these boil down to respecting the people and the country you moved to. don't expect them to learn your language to communicate with you. That is thoughtless and rude. These rules are fairly universal, not America specific.
now that out of the way, before you start posting comments of "racist"or something like that (I have gotten them)
I think you are taking what I say a little serious though. My opinion on immigration is partially from growing up in southern New Mexico, where there is a lot of immigrants, illegal and legal. And as someone trying to learn spanish in HS (and failing) and then having a whole bunch of people speaking a language I do not understand around me in, my OWN damned country makes ME feel like the immigrant and outsider. That and a good majority of signs having the spanish part in bigger font than the English on it. That gets to be frustrating after a while, and as I said, I take it from a respect point of view, which people miss entirely. It is respectful to learn the language (defacto or otherwise) of the country you are moving to and disrespectful to claim the country you just moved from is better than the one you just moved to. If it is better, WHY DID YOU MOVE!?!(yes, thats the Viva Mexico crowd,you ruin it for the quiet people who may have love for aspects of their old country, but don't go around putting mexican flag stickers on everything) I would have a lot less problems with illegal immigrants, actually, if they did. As long as I can communicate with them, and not get a crapload of bravado and boasting in my face, I really do not have much issue with any sort of immigrant.
But of course, people consider me unreasonable in that respect.
1 learn the language of the country, defacto or otherwise, no matter what country you hail from. We offer English for America, learn it (yes we do, BTW, because a good friend of mine here,
osiris moved here from Russian parts and managed to learn it. ESL classes)2: Quit talking about how great your country is that you just left to move here. Accept that some of your cultural practices have to stay behind. America (in this case) is a melting pot, meaning some things go to the wayside (a soup with every ingredient in the world would taste horrible and be inedible). Does not mean you have to abandon your heritage completely, and anyone who tells you that should take a bullet up the ass sideways (don't ask how you do that...I have no clue)
3: both of these boil down to respecting the people and the country you moved to. don't expect them to learn your language to communicate with you. That is thoughtless and rude. These rules are fairly universal, not America specific.
now that out of the way, before you start posting comments of "racist"or something like that (I have gotten them)
I think you are taking what I say a little serious though. My opinion on immigration is partially from growing up in southern New Mexico, where there is a lot of immigrants, illegal and legal. And as someone trying to learn spanish in HS (and failing) and then having a whole bunch of people speaking a language I do not understand around me in, my OWN damned country makes ME feel like the immigrant and outsider. That and a good majority of signs having the spanish part in bigger font than the English on it. That gets to be frustrating after a while, and as I said, I take it from a respect point of view, which people miss entirely. It is respectful to learn the language (defacto or otherwise) of the country you are moving to and disrespectful to claim the country you just moved from is better than the one you just moved to. If it is better, WHY DID YOU MOVE!?!(yes, thats the Viva Mexico crowd,you ruin it for the quiet people who may have love for aspects of their old country, but don't go around putting mexican flag stickers on everything) I would have a lot less problems with illegal immigrants, actually, if they did. As long as I can communicate with them, and not get a crapload of bravado and boasting in my face, I really do not have much issue with any sort of immigrant.
But of course, people consider me unreasonable in that respect.
A lot of people think that trying to immigrate into the U.S. is unfair or too hard.
Well look at some other countries. The immigration laws in Mexico are much worse than in the U.S.
Why, if they immigrate to ANOTHER COUNTRY with a pre-existing culture, do they not have to at least partially conform to it? Give me a good, LOGICAL reason.
So should a Muslim person who comes from Saudi Arabia be able to have several wives? Thats a cultural thing.
We don't allow cock/animal fighting. That is a huge cultural thing in Mexico You are saying they should be allowed to do it?
What about, just recently on the news, the Mexican who sold his daughter to marriage for money and meat? culturally accepted in Mexico.
Different cultures cannot always coexist. This political correctness push of "respect their culture 100%" is garbage. They MOVED HERE. They left the country. Bring some of their culture? Of course. Especially the parts that are beneficial and sometimes tasty (the last, for levity, of course refers to some of my favorite food, mexican) But when someone leaves a country to start fresh, they should not bring their baggage with them.
So YES, they have to give up some things. Immigrants always have to. They are not in their home country anymore.
It is arrogant and disrespectful to the people of the country you move to think otherwise.
i just don't get how things like holidays/complaining about THE OLD COUNTRY impact anybodyd with any seriousness, but it looks like you weren't talking about that so much as the dumb things people do
Part of the problem with america is everyone wants everything without giving anything up. This is not Mexico, russia, Japan, China, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Nigera, etc (I think I covered most of the quadrants). Quit trying to make it that. America has it's own culture,for better and worse. Its strange, but it is our culture. Its a mix of several cultures,but unique on it's own.
it doesn't do anyone any harm for them to "insult" america because america has no feelings to hurt or dignity to insult
And you at this point are just making excuses for bad behavior. It is disrespectful, period, to insult the country you moved to. "no trial run" is hardly an excuse. If you do not research the country, warts and all, before you move to it, that is your own damned fault, and does not give you an excuse to bitch about it. to try to write it off is showing a lack of self-responsibility on their part.
I finally wanted to ask him why he didn't just stay in his own country, but I was able to tolerate him.