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0) Site Status Postings
Beginning today, we will be making semi-regular site postings regarding the status of the site, developments or things in the planning stages. We aim to keep them posted roughly every 1-2 weeks (depending on what's going on).
1) Russia Blocks d.facdn.net
We've been notified that Russia is partially blocking one of FA's content server (d.facdn.net) which is preventing a good number of users from viewing images on the site. We're looking into getting the site unblocked and restoring access for the Russian furry community. In the mean time, we suggest using a VPN or proxy service to access the site if you are able.
2) New Coder/Tech Added
Starrykitten is joining the Dev/Ops team to help us better organize our tech efforts, improve site performance, answer tech/bug-related tickets and bring more transparency to what we're doing (all good stuff that's sorely overdue). To that end, we're making our bug/dev tracker public. This will help users know what we're focusing on and monitor progress and improvements.
https://trello.com/b/f7USczsS/furaffinity-devops
3) Funding Status
We are still compiling a list of funding and planned expenditures, and will have that posted as soon as we are able (note: Things got delayed a bit due to a recent move -- Neer).
We have also sent 10% of the total funds raised to SoFurry ($1,710.40). The rest is currently being held aside while we look into making hardware/software investments into the site.
4) Caching & Email Bug Fixes
* We recently migrated email services to Amazon SES (cloud-based email distribution) and upgraded our mail system after the DDOS. This transition caused an issue for some users (notably those using Microsoft's email services) as all outgoing mail was flagged as spam. This has been fixed, and Microsoft has worked with us to remove all blockers.
* We offloaded caching to Cloudflare post-DDOS. During the migration we encountered an issue where Cloudflare was aggressively caching images (preventing revised submissions from showing up right away). We made several changes to the way this works, and this should be resolved now.
* We are continuing to tweak performance and increase site response time. Cloudflare has helped a great deal with that, and we figured it'd be be spiffy to share some statistics on that, so here you go:
FURAFFINITY.NET STATS
299,400,768 requests saved by CloudFlare
1,480,826,825 total requests
Bandwidth Saved
1.9 TB bandwidth saved by CloudFlare
27.9 TB total bandwidth
FACDN.NET STATS
241,970,915 requests saved by CloudFlare
3,191,480,734 total requests
Bandwidth Saved
22.1 TB bandwidth saved by CloudFlare
61.4 TB total bandwidth
5) Site Status Monitoring
We've made several small changes to better monitor all of FA's sub-sites and CDNs to show more accurate uptime monitoring.
http://status.furaffinity.net/
Beginning today, we will be making semi-regular site postings regarding the status of the site, developments or things in the planning stages. We aim to keep them posted roughly every 1-2 weeks (depending on what's going on).
1) Russia Blocks d.facdn.net
We've been notified that Russia is partially blocking one of FA's content server (d.facdn.net) which is preventing a good number of users from viewing images on the site. We're looking into getting the site unblocked and restoring access for the Russian furry community. In the mean time, we suggest using a VPN or proxy service to access the site if you are able.
2) New Coder/Tech Added
Starrykitten is joining the Dev/Ops team to help us better organize our tech efforts, improve site performance, answer tech/bug-related tickets and bring more transparency to what we're doing (all good stuff that's sorely overdue). To that end, we're making our bug/dev tracker public. This will help users know what we're focusing on and monitor progress and improvements.
https://trello.com/b/f7USczsS/furaffinity-devops
3) Funding Status
We are still compiling a list of funding and planned expenditures, and will have that posted as soon as we are able (note: Things got delayed a bit due to a recent move -- Neer).
We have also sent 10% of the total funds raised to SoFurry ($1,710.40). The rest is currently being held aside while we look into making hardware/software investments into the site.
4) Caching & Email Bug Fixes
* We recently migrated email services to Amazon SES (cloud-based email distribution) and upgraded our mail system after the DDOS. This transition caused an issue for some users (notably those using Microsoft's email services) as all outgoing mail was flagged as spam. This has been fixed, and Microsoft has worked with us to remove all blockers.
* We offloaded caching to Cloudflare post-DDOS. During the migration we encountered an issue where Cloudflare was aggressively caching images (preventing revised submissions from showing up right away). We made several changes to the way this works, and this should be resolved now.
* We are continuing to tweak performance and increase site response time. Cloudflare has helped a great deal with that, and we figured it'd be be spiffy to share some statistics on that, so here you go:
FURAFFINITY.NET STATS
299,400,768 requests saved by CloudFlare
1,480,826,825 total requests
Bandwidth Saved
1.9 TB bandwidth saved by CloudFlare
27.9 TB total bandwidth
FACDN.NET STATS
241,970,915 requests saved by CloudFlare
3,191,480,734 total requests
Bandwidth Saved
22.1 TB bandwidth saved by CloudFlare
61.4 TB total bandwidth
5) Site Status Monitoring
We've made several small changes to better monitor all of FA's sub-sites and CDNs to show more accurate uptime monitoring.
http://status.furaffinity.net/
Make me tacoooosssss *bangs table with fork and knife complete with bib* ;o;
Sincerely,
The Cheshire Cat's Master
I... just don't really care.
We can't be expected to type correctly the first time either. Furaffinity is biased against the incompetent.
Also, thanks for helping the FA staff out, it seems that they could use it since the DDOS, site getting slow and all, sometimes it even double posts.
So yeah, glad that will be all fixed ^^
All I have is an email with a password that doesn't correlate with this site at all.
Don't want the homogays taking over the Kremlin now!
But homosexuality is natural and ok. :o
Russia is like this closeted UBERBRO that over compensates his buried sexuality by shouting NOHOMO all the time, and punching homogays in the face every chance he gets.
The biggest problem is that one of the major internet providers doesn't know how to block a single URL and blocks all servers with the same IP. WordPress may disappear for days.
The block is lifted when the site blocks access to the offending material.
Which would require also some zone file updates and stuff.
Oh well. Russia is irrelevant. Any nation that sanctions violence against gays (plenty of proof in the media as well as court records) really has no place on the internet anyway.
Then again, the original reason to ban child porn was to protect the child actors. I wonder who is hurt by drawings. But American lawmakers think drawings are no better than the real thing, and the rest of tbe world follows.
Well. If this "major provider" is about Rostelecom, then here is somewhat different (AFAIK). They know about DPI, but just dont' want to pay for needful equipment.
Not wanting to be one to poke holes, but lets try and get some more banners running instead of this one which we've had for the last 4 months.
And yes, I want to see change too, but it doesn't help much to comment on every single site journal. If for example I didn't like the site, I'd simply explore other possibilities of what other sites offer. But I think that's a moot point, unless the staff rubbed me the wrong way.
So I shoot for something that's a bit more in the realm of possibility. It's not entirely hard and it's as simple as swapping it out for one that fits the month. Though I will say that the banner does fit fall, I would also like to say that we're getting into the colder months and thus winter is nearly upon us. So I figure that a nice change of scenery would be nice is all.
Sorry for replying with a rather long comment.
In other words, hoping for something small and easy as opposed to something bigger and less likely to happen.
I apologize if my original comment seemed antagonistic.
It's no problem, your concerns and/or comments regarding the site are justifiable. Though to the new person who joined I hope they don't go insane. lol
i have some faith, regardless of what i hear about neer's nepotism when it comes to choosing staff. >> i wish them the best of luck with improving the site!
Be that as it may, from what I gathered I would be surprised about something like this happening but I'll be honest I'm kind of not.
It's like having a burning pile of stuff, sure you can throw more on it to make it bigger, but in the end it's just a burning pile.
I prefer looking at art posted to the site, not the site itself~
Fucking back peddling gets you no where kiddo.
Just because it was made two weeks ago does not mean the rudeness expired. Of course I could really care less, good day c:
Reviving a dead comment is also considered to be rude on the internet so~
And if you didn't care you wouldn't have replied. lmfao
You're right, I did care enough to reply to you rudely as you did to him, now that I have I no longer have interest in you. Shoo little fly :D
You still have 'interest' in me if you keep replying buck-o. Really, it's amusing when people think they're being witty.
I'll wait for your next reply to tell me how annoying I'm being or whatever, lmao.
^
my reply to you.
c:
MAY ALLAH BE WITH YOU, DERKA DERKA.
I can't tell you how much I've hated practically every redesign of a popular/corporate web site over the last 5 years. It's like designers just hate design these days.
Every time sites I attend "revamp" I die a little inside.
The new fa design doesn't look bad, IMO, but it's honestly not a LOT different LOOKING.
I think the most important thing is smoother use. I don't need fancy new buttons, but the existing ones doing what they should.
As far as I'm concerned, if it can be whipped up in a day by an intern, it's a feature affordable enough to support. Most redesigns seem to envelope a paradox of spending hugs amounts of money to be trendy, while still stripping away features in a sorry attempt to save money on long-term support.
Hell, I can't even navigate the Adobe web site anymore, and these people are supposed to be expert designers.
Most of the design changes are just to confuse the customer/viewer into more clicks (or in retail to walk other products when looking directly for one thing in hopes for more purchase). I suppose with art that is nice, but I will design vomit if the front page ends up being news feeds, which is redundant to your watch submissions and other folders.
People can complain all they want, but FA is one of the very few sites where I like ads and intentionally disable AdBlock. They're almost totally for local artists, and they stay in one place on the page.
I like the ads here, I'm an artist, I'll buy space eventually, wasn't talking about that either, just that most other sites do that for money rev and all that. Here, I actually use those and the browse pretty much daily, and would be sad if the browse main page was turned into a tacky full page feed (of stuff you have in a whole other tab). I constantly look for more traditional artists via all those choices.
I like that I can use this site on all my retired fossil computers (like my g4 that I use as a movie network, but I can still do other stuff on it, or an old netbook when I travel.) Love that FA doesn't have those flashy drop boxes everywhere, or notifications saying annoying clippy like things "update to use website" yadayada. I think it stems from my dad designing high end audio, all his designs are simple and not flashy, and work for years to come, you always know where something is, and its always sturdy till it breaks, then it gets fixed and you keep using it as you would with the same quality you started. Its old fashioned but who cares. It works, and simplicity/no bling is a yes please for me.
dA's changes never bothered me before (well, other than fucking up my add-ons, but that can't be helped), but this is total bullshit.
I'm not a tech, or that awesome of a designer, but I have 10 years of specialized retail and merchandising to know that the product that gets used the most is the one with the most reputation, the most usability, and the most practical.
I think the add-on thing was kinda eye roll myself, but the hashtag thing was super annoying. I always copy pasta all my tags, I really am not going to type them all out again for each site. For a while it looked like DA was trying to go for a myspace look, but now I think its more dumblr looking. Now this site is not pretty, but I *LIKE* it. I love simplicity. I love the monocolor feel, which is easy on the eyes but not soft edged and "streamlined" I love that it expects a mouse not a finger.
I think you're onto something about dA trying to be more like Tumblr. I can see that...especially since both websites keep making shitty updates. They shouldn't really follow Tumblr, it kinda sucks on it's own, and I think the Xkit add-on's popularity is proof of that.
And I agree about liking simplicity.
But the code it's working on needs tweaking. How many tens of gigabytes of RAM were the FA servers using again?
#FURRYCONSPIRACY2014
#FURRYGATE2014HE.
LOOK.
LIKE.
A.
BITCH?
have some spaggethi
the tower structure is weak already
mom's spaggehti
pancaking already
there's people jumping out the windows alreadii
illominarty did nine elventii never forgetti the day they killed mom's spaggetii
MOM'S SPAGGETHI.
DINGDINGDING.
WE HAVE A WINNER.
EVERYONE GO HOME.
NEVER FORGETTI THAT EITHER.
OF COURSE. WE'VE FIGURED THEM OUT.
THE FA ADMINS ARE SEPHIROTH.
WAKE UP FURAFFINITY.
Just remember, those that see your journals are the important people. Any customers will follow. Any true fans will follow. There are sooo many abandoned accounts.. I've been watched by the same person up to five times in some cases as they bop around from account to account over the years.
It's the active people that matter <3 your business should be fine.
Try one reminder every month or two for the first little while to catch stragglers, but you likely have all the important people already!!
Boo phone keyboards
However, an implemented limited changes system would not be that bad in my opinion. Like 3 free changes, then a waiting period after that / TT submission.
Not at all.
Putin. Putin is in charge of Russia.
It's the homosexuality and pornography here that they disapprove of.
Do they even know that they aren't the same?
Oh...That hurts.
You poor thing.
just because a rule is in place doesnt mean people will follow it.
I'm not going to read all that bullshit. If you'd like to link me DIRECTLY to the "proof" that there's a "know hacker" on the tech staff, go right ahead. But I'm not wading through the crap to get to it.
And dude, I'm not reading something that came out of your mouth, placing a link to reddit is not proof of anything, especially if it's something you wrote.
or they just found it on a blacklist
I mean I know I don't know too awful much PHP but I like to think I'm good for something.
Not doing much else as it is.
I am then going to roll said canvas up, visit Dragoneer, and beat the living shit out of him with these words.
And then I'm going to paper his walls with it.
10/10 thanks for actually having the balls to tell Pichey that his site's a huge ball of shit. 10/10 thanks for doing something about it. And an extra 10/10 if you can tell Zaush to fuck off and immolate his testicles, or something.
The best option would be a complete from-scratch rewrite, that was supposed to have been done twice over but both attempts never succeeded and depending on who you talk to you'll get a different explanation or opinion on why that is; Phoenix is the third such attempt to my knowledge.
There are other problems besides the terrible collection of code such as the filesystem layout on the data-server which is gigantic kludge designed to work around an il-thought design choice.
I wish you luck.
xD
come on FA.......you know we wanna stay here. now show us why we SHOULD stay here
The fuck, Russia?
No contact data in zone file for d.facdn.net (and they are not in the business of trying to twist outta their hide to find out which site(s) are served by it).
No way to notify domain admins to take them down.
Block order issued on 11/06 enforced on 11/12.
Simple as that.
https://trello.com/c/hsundUSx/24-in.....-upload-limits
Does that mean we're finally going to see the "UI overhaul" that we were promised back in 2007? And 2008? And 2009?
Cleanup on aisle three.
I've got cub porn TT's open from literally a year and a half ago, that still haven't been answered.
Treat them as two separate things.
If somebody is harassing you on the site, you're welcome to open up a ticket - in fact, I encourage you to do so. But if this is happening outside of FA, you need to involve the authorities instead of whining about Dragoneer not stopping this apparent menace to society. Dragoneer can only deal with things that happen on FA, complaining about a stalker that's worrying you offline is none of FA's business.
Are you an idiot or just pretending to be one? You don't -- and won't -- have a slightest idea of the issue, but make some nebulous assumptions.
The only one whining about anything (more like everything, especially stuff that is none of your business) here is you.
The only thing I said is that that ticket about stuff happening /on/ FA was not touched in months.
As for authorities, you have a fresh example right here how far the ability of Russian authorities spans in regards to FA. They could not establish contact to have specific images blocked. Do you expect them to have jurisdiction or be able to subpoena the site? What can be done there, is done there.
You just answered the only /question/ stated in my previous reply, thanks.
I think Russia isn't really pleased with FA. . .
Putin isn't pleased by it.
Folders are still yet to be implemented. Avatars are still GIFs only (which results in a major loss of quality). Account management is way too basic and the list goes on. Despite the hardware they claim to have bought over the years, the site still slows down regularly and you can bet the current codebase has a lot to do with it. You can have the most awesome hardware, it won't make a difference if the software running on it is badly optimized/out of date.
Maybe, just MAYBE the community would like to see an ounce of actual progress instead of more 'This is what we're planning to do...' entries.
(Also check out the other tabs for more visualizations!)
How about that?
When will it be here?
Will it actually ever happen?
You OWE it to the people who donated.
a new car....
or all-round paid trip to Italy...
[Block & Account Disable] Anti-abuse timers are needed for when a user blocks another or disables their account to prevent flip-flop trolling. Should be a min of 72 hours.
6 hours should be sufficient. 3/7ths of a week is overkill.
Comment editing system to allow time limited corrections of a users own comment
10 minutes to correct a comment seems good. I'd welcome the change, if only to be able to fix things in a comment when I goof.
Divs. DIVS EVERYWHERE!
.nameyourclasses #andyourids .andmakethem #proliferateintheiruniqueness :)
Also, please remember to pull any of the hard coded style out and move it to the CSS files.
Good to see a plan for things here.
Or at the very least add a note with timestamp stating the comment was edited.
Otherwise, it will cause too much abuse for auctions. Imagine being able to edit your bid for 10 minutes...
(And make posting replied to comments verify if it was edited.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjzzLelV0Y0
https://trello.com/b/SmYk47aD/furaf.....ature-requests
By now, either you've the ability to do the impossible or you have no idea what you've dived head first into. Consider me impressed if something actually does happen.
But what do I know? I'm just a Croc.
... it amazing
You have just brought an admin out of the blue, when there had been months passing by where people of technical background were offerring thier support and for free. Thats like a employer hiring someone that bypassed the normal method of getting hired and walking into the building with more than half of its employees going "Who the hell is that?"
I keep believing transparency means to be on the same level with everyone, but here you go debunking what we even thought of being transparent and useing opacity on full blast not knowing what is being decided on the other end till you've already done it..
Directing that show? Ok mr. Director! Still as brass tax goes, I and the community know absolutely "nothing about you or your credentials, so I'm going to have to go with my heart and say I cant trust someone that is in the shadows.
Friends/loved ones do not make good employees.
More idiocy from FA. Not a shock. Nor is it a shock to see Phoenix get disregarded as much as it is in this post and it's comments.
FA. FA never changes.
THIS SITE.
There cannot be transparency when someone needs to hide their original account, and not to mention deny working on Phoenix I am afraid. So what this tells us all is basically, Phoenix is dead.
"There cannot be transparency when someone needs to hide their original account,"
And now since you and twenty people know, it's suddenly transparent! Wow! I had no idea that's how it works!
But eh. I just can't bother to hurt my head over figuring out why they just keep pulling up people out lot the blue to be in power anymore, tbh.
You're not some hero that needs to put on a mask to protect your friends, you're someone who should remain professional in the face of the user base of a site you are working on. And telling only a select few people (who then in return act like asshats after knowing the information) is not professional in the least bit.
You should only be concerned with whatever black lash and drama your actions might cause if you actually do something to bring that about. And you having that sort of mentality so early on does not give me any confidence your ability, and I'm sure others feel the same way.
See my thinking is that you're someone who's going to spark an outrage like there was at the beginning of the year. And you know, people can find out who you are if they really want to. So with this whole act you're bound to catch the attention of someone who is really curious in the worst sort of way. So yeah. There's that.
I'd wish you luck but I really don't want to support someone who is going to try and lead us on like we have been for the past few years.
But perhaps someone with project management experience should also be taken into consideration, since that always seems to be the weak link with these "new" things.
When something actually starts getting done, I'll believe it.
Naturally curious.
Until I see actual, tangible results, y'ain't done shit.
Consider the following: you commission me for.... oh, I don't know. A massive carving of a penis engraved with the Star and Sickle emblem right on the top. You want this shit in polished marble. So, I go off, I get to work. You ask me a few months later, and all I have to show for my work are some marble chippings and saying 'oh, yeah, I'm... uh... yeah, that thing... um.... I'm on it, sure."
Tangible results are me pulling off the velvet cover and unveiling your marble dildo to the world in the middle of Red Square, and watching the furry masses scramble up for a ride on my polished marble dick of justice.
Let's bear in mind that a lot of these issues are your fault. get the brush and start sweeping, bub, you've got some marble to clean up. Until I see actual, physical results, y'ain't done jack.
You might not be qualified or interested enough to see or verify these results though.
It has also been only a few days since the list's creation.
I do not expect everyone to be a (web) developer to be able to verify whether t.facdn and d.facdn are actually going through CloudFlare's cache or whether the site or the forums are actually using Amazon SES for their email needs, for example.
Likewise I also do not expect 80% of the people who are complaining about something on this website in a particular fashion to actually care about that something being done and/or whether their stated arguments hold truth.
Frankly, you (yes, you specifically, as well as the FA code team in general) have had more than enough time, and have run through more than enough excuses. Maybe you'll take a look back at how many times FA has swung from disaster to disaster, each time with promises of something better, before settling back into complacency once the dust settles. Maybe you'll take a look at the chequered history of forgotten promises, incompetence, and often outright lies, and realise that perhaps the userbase you claim to serve isn't so wrong after all.
Talk is cheap, Yak, and there is much talk. Maybe it's time you started backing up those words with a little substance, tovarich.
We've adopted and have made publicly available a new tool we'll be using for internal effort coordination. It allows one to get an overview and track the progress of the issues we're dealing with if they are inclined to. This journal just makes people aware of that.
This comment thread started with a vague reply on your part to a question I asked somebody else; about how you are not interested in this tool and you're more interested in seeing "shit being done".
Never mind that this was a conversation I was trying to have with another person and the manner of your reply that suggested you were complaining for complaining's sake, I tried to clarify that the "DevOps" trello list was accomplishing at least a part of what you wanted to see.
Now you have strayed from the original topic into the past and started acting like I owe you something.
I'm not here right now to mediate on the past woes or fix the world's problems.
You and everyone else have been made aware of a now-public dev related task list we are using internally and which will be updated as time goes on. This is a step forward from how it was before and there will be more such improvements in the future.
https://trello.com/b/f7USczsS/furaffinity-devops
Naturally curious. " not because I butted into your conversation.
One with you, the other with primalweyland .
The comment threading just broke and doesn't display the comments in their proper comment threes.
And btw primalweyland broke into our thread, I didn't break into yours, so don't act like I broke the thread.
Then why not fix it?... how many years do we have to wait before you fix actual site problems other than adding features to pacify those who can use blocking and page disabling features only to have them used as troll tools?
Seriously, fix the problem(and page layout) instead of adding features.
It's also far from static with new cards/tasks being added, shuffled around, assigned to people and commented on all the time.
It does not provide an overarching overview of everything that is planned and is being done; just the development related side of it. We are using it internally to coordinate our effort and having it available publicly is just a nice bonus.
More things may become public at time goes on and we improve our methods. Rome wasn't built in a day after all.
You can write down whatever on it but it doesn't tell me what is being done on it or if you have even started on it.
Lists and such are all well and good but you won't be getting much confidence out of me or many others without actual proof of what is being done.
If you have the technical expertise enough you can also verify the results for the proof.
This is an ongoing dev coordination tool we are using internally and it wasn't meant to be easily digestible by the people with no development experience, which is what you would like to see if I understood your posts correctly.
I'll pass this on.
All things considered, to me at least, put in some form of effort on the banner. I can quite remember when the banner was the same for quite awhile before it got changed.
Welcome to the team, StarryKitten!
I guess some people think that homosexuality is prohibited in Russia. Maybe they should read correct things.
You're saying just like it's the problem of one country only.
You can only tease a dog with a treat so many times before he won't even bother coming out from under the porch
Aside the Russia thing, which stinks.
It also prevents people doing "internet detective" acts and chaining to other people that were potentially involved with the banned person.
However in the case of a punishment it should just have a general reason listed as a "why" so people don't go digging.
"Banned for: Internet."
So don't expect FA to ever implement it.
But how hard?
That's the question in and of itself. Too hard and they might enjoy it, too soft and they'd probably complain.
You know what happens when the right spot is found? Nothing.
This complicates the interaction Roskomnadzora with this hosting provider and virtually eliminates the possibility of timely removal of illegal information to regain access to the locked resources.
CloudFlare representatives refuse to cooperate and do not respond to official notices Roskomnadzora.
In the absence of reaction on the part of many conscientious CloudFlare Internet resources using this CDN-service fall under lock operators in the territory of the Russian Federation."
The announcenent appeared after CF ignored the demands to do something with designer drug sites and some legit sites were affected by the block. RKN was just covering their asses.
whatever
helps FA work better and faster
without crashing so often
I came back 'cause I thought things were getting good :( Now it sounds like this is all back to square one. From last year.
I'm wondering, will there be a better way to view and post stories?
Right now users need to download the document or the author can paste it into this ugly mess of text.
http://www.sofurry.com/
Please edit this journal to amend your point encouraging people to possibly violate the local laws of their insane government; at least include a warning that they research their local laws to ensure doing so would not land them in seriously fucked up hot water.
With all the insane shit happening in Russia recently (as if there's ever really been a period where stuff wasn't at least a little crazy over there), especially given that you have personal experience with other parts of the world being not-so-super, you should not need to be told to include such a warning. But since you do, here you go.
all the history of Russia could be briefly summed as "and then, things got worse".
At the moment, veepeenz aren't banned here, however the thing is that it is forbidden to "distribute the information how to mitigate the blockages", and yes, the whole domain could be blocked as well just because of that.
>Tyrannical
Choose one, you've swallowed too much anti-Russia propaganda which mainstream media spreads today. I agree that there's some shitty laws like the "gay propaganda" law but when it comes to foreign policy, Russia does better than the USA.
I'm sure some amount of anti-Russia stuff is just propoganda, but even disregarding all of it, there's more than enough solid fact to warrant the label of tyrannical. JUST the recent anti-gay stuff by itself would be enough. "Some shitty laws" is severely dismissive to the extreme degree of destruction this anti-gay push has wrought on countless lives over there.
I am not "america good, russia bad" by any means. Both countries are severely into the horrible range.
They also put most of the Canines into chunks such as Dogs and Wolves
since there are so many breeds of them. It'd be a huge list of scrolling otherwise.
(but I still wonder why German Shepherd is on its own rather than just part of the dog chunk.)
But then again, it would only work if people used (relevant) tags. But the idea itself is great.
*Folders
*Better submission deletion system (like universal or select/uncheck all button)
*Allow users to add pictures to Journals (Admins get to do it only for some shitty reason)
*better tag system so people can find appropriated art they are looking for
*A donations button for artist who need help with money problems (I dont need it but i see people beg like the homeless almost all the time)
*Ability to see new or older art next on artwork page so that people can see the next picture (I, e on Deviantart of you look to the right of an artwork you can see multiple related artwork you can click on)
*A custom feature that allows people to get a notification that artist are currently livestreaming, so that the person who is livestreaming dont have to make a submission to show that they are.
*A livestream page for users so that if people dont want to exit FA they can watch the livestream right there on FA. (I.E how Youtube does it or many other sites)
and maybe when a submission is deleted and it was on your faves, it gets removed... its a bit of an annoying thing to sift through faves and see all blank submissions
Just tested it. Worked like a charm. And it's free.
the community would gladly donate to the cause of actually upgrading the site. should have been what was done with the donations just to get over 5-6thousand people off your ass.
then the community would like to know who is working on it, they would want to see the credentials. and actual progress.
all this childish promise the world crap is just making people older. get er done or STFU and dont speak of progress.
I'm surprised he still hasn't hidden this comment...
Did you not see the donations for the new server a year ago? (look at this)People wicked supported FA and allowed them to buy a new server. Through this donation they created before the DDoS they raised so much that they could donate over a thousand dollars to Sofurry to help support them (they said they'd donate 10% if that gives you any idea of the money raised, I'd link you the page but it got deleted). Yes, there are many of us, myself included, who refuse to donate unless it's going to do something that fixes FA. If they had proof they were hiring a coder, I'd throw down $20 right now, and I know many other people would as well. We WANT this site to succeed, the problem is FA has a bad reputation of constantly breaking promises to its users. Despite many feeling that way, there are still a LOT of people who donate. So you're just factually incorrect.
Only thing Moot here is my tiny bit of care i have because i post on this site and would like it to be better because people dont go anywhere else
it's a shitty fix but it works.
I hope you all enjoyed paying for journals, at least I get to read the comments for free. Fur Affinity is the only site I've ever seen run like this. And for all your shit talking about Russia, at least the Russian government posts their budgeting and isn't half-composed of people guilty of being a sex offender in one way or the other.
Oh, and did you see how they took your site down in six days after it was reported? They can even answer trouble tickets faster than you. Holy shit I am dying here.
just everything about it :D
We've been notified that Russia is partially blocking one of FA's content server (d.facdn.net) which is preventing a good number of users from viewing images on the site. We're looking into getting the site unblocked and restoring access for the Russian furry community. In the mean time, we suggest using a VPN or proxy service to access the site if you are able.
Ain't worth time and effort, nothing will change. That's our government fight for so-called "morality". What's worse, you might attract the attention of people you don't want to, and that could potentially lead to complete blocking of site in Russia.
I doubt the government will unblock the site until tensions over Ukraine boil into all out war or if they cool down.
Great, just great! D:< First deviantART (it was blocked completely for a while, I had to access it through Tor), now FA! What's the point of trying to defend us from "immorality", if 11 year old kids know what sex is and swear like sailors already?! That's pointless, that's dumb, that's... Ugh. Just... why.
Why admin-only? Sounds like a useful feature.
I am sorry for everyone who has to live in that frozen shithole >__>
I'm standing right here, you know.
" Good luck with making our community beautiful!! " I dont think it has been beautiful. With the random DDos attacks, random shut downs, parts of the community leaving because of changes in rules, and etc. Its on the road to being a train wreck, like deviantArt (sort of) has become . As for donations, I wont be giving them my money. I can't fully trust the admins. I have nothing against them, and im pretty sure they have nothing against me either, but until I see some REAL changes to actually make the website "beautiful", I'll hold on to my money. : 3
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14647246/ I have been worki on some projects, which I am trying to get feedback for. Deviant art is wayyyy too complicated, at least for me. I also run, and code for a website. ..and belive me dude it is NOT easy to do this. Stuff!.. Do not be so mean to admins. They try their best
I do applaud the staff for staying away from that and managing to keep the site running more or less properly.
You could also potentially give Tor users restricted permissions rather than outright banning them (like disabling registrations, image submissions, logins, ect.)
From a perspective of treating Tor users as second class users, it might not be such a good idea either. But, it's better to be able to access a website with hindrances and restrictions than it is to not be able to access it at all.
If someone disagrees with a block for that, or any other reason, there are tools like Tor (which at present seldom works with FurAffinity), JonDo, paid VPNs, private VPNs and proxies (I think Amazon has free AWS instances that work great for that), and public HTTP proxies.
That's why I said "why I gotta bother with proxies?".
Or I'm still missing and explanation of why tor is more dangerous than proxy? It's less dangerous for me - and I already explained that. For now it seems like bullshit that alot of these sites make tor users type captcha or outright ban. Fucking christ, might as well just go outside and find a real gf\bf.
Also, did the people who donated to your scam ever get reimbursed/their gifts, as was promised in the defunct GoFundMe drive?
Gonna ask here on the ofchance it is read. When are the reported uploads going to be sorted? Certain reports myself and friends have made seem to have gone unnoticed, and we feel it doesn't put FA in good standing. Not to mention all the reported submitions that my friends and I have highlighted are reported due to violated FA AUP.
All FA staff are volunteers (and honestly I'm not sure it's a job I'd do for money because it's pretty brutal sometimes) and do our best to keep up with things, but there's a lot of users and only a limited number of us, who also have jobs, pets, family, etc that need taken care of. So I can't promise you any kind of timeline, but as long as your ticket is still open we'll eventually get to it.
We're really sorry about the backlog, and we're trying, but unfortunately it does take time and there's no way around that.
If I wasn't juggling College and work 7days a week, I'd offer helping out. Though I don't know how filled the complaints box is, so it would probably drive me loopy :P
20000 dollars
Blame Russia
Yay for VPN, fuck roscomnadzor!
D: That's a pretty upsetting thing to read a lot. Especially since I've been finding a lot of credibility in the people who are concerned and skeptical about not only the new updates but StarKitty as well. When I first started reading the comments, I actually had some hope! StarKitty was answering people and saying all the right things but... then it just didn't sit right. And the more the read, the more it seemed like this was a repeat of events that people who have dealt with before are now dealing with again.
Safe to say... as much as I'd love to see shit get done in order to gawk at an awesome site with relevant features and looks, I'm not hopeful. If FurAffinity is truly run by silver-tongued fiends, then I dunno! I dunno what to say.
The only advice I want to give to anyone reading this who has donated during the last donation campaign is SCREEN CAP EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING YOU CAN. Do NOT lose a single word because I feel like I can guarantee you are much better safe than sorry. I read all the promises offered, the reimbursement t-shirt, everything. I've been reading and keeping up on it and I wish I had been documenting it myself but... bleh. I think it's definitely a situation where people should be keeping track of this. ESPECIALLY since it was only AFTER the donations were gathered that FA suddenly decided to drop the bomb of "BTW we owe a LOT of taxes and this money is gonna help" thing. That was a huge red flag for me.
I dismissed a lot of it as drama at first, and people just being too hard on FA and Dragoneer. I feel like he wants the best for the site, but just still doesn't know how to run a website. He hires his friends and makes promises and then breaks every one of them. I don't think he's bad or incompetent like people say; he's just out of his element and that unfortunately means FA is run very poorly and is never fixed.
I agree with you that it's sad because I would like FA to be fixed, preferably by someone the community pools together to hire. That way Neer can't complain about his lack of trust. People have PROVEN they're willing to come together and donate. Now it just needs to go towards something that will actually fix the plethora of issues on this website. Being hopeful is impossible for me, at this point though. And agreed about the red flag and screencaps. I know some people have actually been trying to report FA to governmental agencies for fraud and other things. While I don't really support that, because it'd do more harm than good I think, Dragoneer and co. need to wake up and realize this community deserves better than they get. Especially with this last claim of transparency and blatantly, in the same breath, hiding the facts.
From everything I've seen on the sides of the community and on the side of Dragoneer, I sadly feel inclined to disagree that he isn't incompetent. :< As much as I would really like to think he's just out of his element, that just... doesn't make sense. FA has been around SO long and he's been part of it for so long that if this isn't his element by now then he's never truly tried in the first place. You can't do something for years and still be like, "wait, where's the water cooler?" D: Unless he's just really, really, really stupid (which is obviously not true, he's clearly very intelligent) then I'm more inclined to believe he doesn't care.
I still think it would be a good idea to report FA for fraud, though. I understand that this site is the bread and butter for a LOT of artists and that moving to Weasyl or something right now would be detrimental to the money they earn, but if FA was taken down forcibly then we'd all be forced to join another site and then that site would eventually be the new FA. I know this sounds like a fancy dream or something, but I find it really hard to draw the line between what is best for whom. D: Artists need their money, yes, but the needs of those who were blatantly scammed are still priority. Especially since it's clear FA is not going to stop asking for donations (apparently yearly, as I've read) under false pretenses. It's literally stealing. D:
Overall, I am absolutely NOT against FA. I would love to see this site get better and stick around for years to come! :3 it'd be fantastic! However, we need to draw the line somewhere. D: How many times can the users of FA (especially veteran users) give this site a chance before it becomes too much? It already seems like this new reveal of who the new coder is has become the straw that's broken the camel's back. :<
This is all just crazy nonsense @n@ which could have easily been avoided years ago
One more step
Please complete the security check to access a.facdn.net
For the love of... Furaffinity, stop blocking TOR!
Good luck with that, this is the Russian government we're talking about. Consider yourself lucky it wasn't all the servers.
I really hate to be "that guy" and ask a tough question, but can you or Dragoneer give a suitable explanation as tot why this wasn't done in early 2013? You know, the last time the site begged for money? I hope, for your sake, this does not imply that Finn and Jake have been sitting inactive for nearly a year and a half.
Now, once again, since you seemed to have skimmed it: who are you? The more you ignore this question the worse you are making it look.
The fact you are too afraid to show your real face tells me two things: you are someone with a negative connotation and you believe in this project as much as we do, which is to say not a lick. If you don't say who you are, someone will find out, and believe me it will be much worse than what you think might happen if you just admit it.
As far as myself, I would rather say fuck it and quit than out myself right now before I'm ready.
For what it's worth though, what you said about the server is one of the first pieces of honesty I've seen from the administration. Ever. If you know that they embezzled money, you do know that associating with them will get you caught up in it too. If you have any brain cells to rub together, leave. Leave now. When the money's true place is revealed, you do not want to be on that administration team.
Would StarryKitten have anything to do with Starrybound?
Your answer would be greatly appreciated.
Now I'm going to give you a chance to be a man and admit who you are. The next post from either of us will contain your name, because people who just donated a ton of money deserve to know exactly what your past crimes entailed. Please, write your name below so you can say you did it on your own. I want to at least give you that much. There is no use in hiding anymore because people already know who you are and it's spreading like wildfire.
Learn more at http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Zidonuke
https://www.flayrah.com/3424/rogue-.....es-f-list-down
http://pwo-wiki.info/index.php?titl.....n_World_Online
After Zidonuke hacked into the IRC accounts of Vetle, Zammbi, and Xanatus, a log of a conversation between an admin of the channel, Zukiedo, and Zidonuke was posted on the forums. The log contained evidence of Zidonuke being corrupt, and after noticing the posts Zidonuke altered the contents of Zukiedo's threads and banned him from the forums. Several users, angered by the cover up, posted the logs as well which ended up with several of them being banned and their posts removed. Soon after, Zidonuke announced that he would delete the game and its database and proceeded to do so [2] [3]. In response to the actions that took place, Crenel (Another staff member) created a blog post which discussed the future of Pokémon World Online and explained Zidonuke's history. Zidonuke was immediately removed from staff, and the game and Forums were restored by August 15th, 2011. However, Zidonuke had released game data (such as usernames and passwords of all members) during the down time, and every registered user had to perform a password reset in order to be able to use PWO's services.
I wasn't kidding about your brass balls earlier, I see. They must be absolutely massive.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/c.....lled_from_our/
Your namesake project. You have a history, and by history, I mean 100 percent track record, of installing backdoors in everything you do. This site has already been hacked once and the notes were leaked. Now we've got another chance of that happening? No, every single person here needs to see that this is what they paid for, and if you had any kind of decency you'd tell them on a much larger scale.
Zidonuke needs to explain why 20000 dollars buys a childish hacker and a year old doorstop named Jake, because Lord knows Dragoneer wouldn't.
This is a public forum, if you do not bother to answer to a comment appropriately, but with childish snark, don't answer it at all.
That's all.
This is getting warmer by the minute!
*Crashdoom + Zido distributed a client for minecraft called yiffcraft, that was essentially a hacked/griefing client for minecraft. Crashdoom claims his account was hacked and the hacker used his account to distribute the client. However, that seems less and less likely with Zidonuke involved.
*Zidonuke / Doridian caused similar drama with 'tshock' a similar mod for Terraria. http://www.terrariaonline.com/threa.....diately.34616/
*Crashdoom and Zidonuke have logged into the Starbound forums from the same IP address. Suggesting that either they are the same person or their involvement is deeper than suggested.
Yeah, I'm not too sure your word is that reliable.
As for the IP link, I was using a VPS I bought from a US hosting company called Dacentec which Zido also used at one point - Do note that this was a few years ago now. I made this public during the Starrybound incident.
Well said
Go ahead and run, you can ignore the few here, but now the news is out and people are going to demand their money back.
By the way, in case you were wondering, you can thank willamca for the news getting out. He did a little dance in front of the wrong group of people, that's all I'll say. So please, thank him every chance you can get.
I'm just glad I'm not one of those people who shares private/sensitive information through FA, but I am worried for those who are more lax in their personal security.
>>Dragoneer was my next door neighbor and is my co-worker. We interact daily. I have absolutely 0 chance of performing abuse to this website.
Saying that is nice and fine, but I'm, not sure to what extent Neer and the other coders can verify all the changes that you make to the code, in order to make sure that there is nothing funny going on. Not necessarily visible abuse, sensible user data could be leaked for all we know.
I am aware my opinion is almost null and void since I'm not currently maintaining a gallery and post very little here anymore, but I've been in here since '07, used to be very involved and I still kinda care a little bit about this site.
But I think you are not a suitable person to be working on this site, and to be honest I'd rather we keep having the old coders instead of you. I have nothing against you being an admin but I don't want you touching the code. Please understand my concern. I know people can change but I don't think the timespan was long enough and it may not be worth the risk anyway.
>>He was well aware of my history
That's quite a bold statement. You are basically making Neer owe us an explanation as to how he could consider that as being no reason for concern, because your history is quite a bit of a read.
>>you are all pretty openly anti-FA
smells like projecting a bit, but maybe I am wrong
Well, anyway. I want to hope that you have changed. If you do remain a coder, please just... don't be evil. Be nice. Because it's nice to be nice.
Thank you for reading our concerns.
Maybe if you can prove you aren't going to jack this one up, I'll come back here. God knows this website needs to be fixed, but I would rather white-knight for Zaush than worry about my personal notes being released to everyone and their brother.
This proves dragoneer is completely retarded. Instead of using the money the community donates on professional coders he goes around a gets his fuck buddies to do the job. I guess it saves more money for donuts..
Oh, did I mention this guy has an history of fucking up projects he's on when the shit hits then fan?
Time to decide, furries: Will you stand for this bullshit?
I mean, having a rapist on your administration is one thing... But a fucking hacker?
weasyl is a good choice, buddies
BTW, I got this account's name idea from Zidonuke's past spying on F-List when he was a dev there and got his ass kicked out
Manysites were closed by reason of Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media (Roskomnadzor), smth like "protecting children from bad information" like porn, suicide, etc. But all porn they can find here are ARTS, not real, so I have no idea why this was blocked.
Somebody tell me that it's not forever, there are too many great furry artists in Russia who lives only because of comissions, it's only job for them. For me too, I don't know what will I do if FA would be closed for us.
Okay, gonna fix this with proxy now..I will try to.
Thank you for that you're trying to restore the access.
Along with IB XD
Beside TBP I assume XD?
Why do I get the feeling he'll stay the only person posting on trello, and that eventually, neer will screw this up once more, driving that guy away?
as for VPNs, do NOT use Vtunnell or Ctunnell, they are not anonymous and do retain information. stick with TOR/Vidalia
my own personal opinion on russia, as far as this goes, is that they don't need to be babysitting their people's children and protect then from "bad information". which really feels like code for "we don't want anyone to like this at all so we'll pass it off as evil/immoral", but i wouldn't know having never been there.
besides, it's not like i use diapers... nor to i enjoy cub porn. :\
i also like ponies, that's true. i refuse to call myself a brony, for personal reasons. i've seen bronies do some pretty messed-up and terrible things then hide behind "love and tolerance" as soon as they turn around.
Also harmless things people like do not make them a bad person. Judging someone for daring to like something that is out of the norm makes you pretty shitty, tho. thumbs up
of COURSE i have the right. a human is free to judge.
(ex. I had 5 journals nuked one day and the inbox says that they are still there.)
We've been notified that Russia is partially blocking one of FA's content server (d.facdn.net) which is preventing a good number of users from viewing images on the site. We're looking into getting the site unblocked and restoring access for the Russian furry community. In the mean time, we suggest using a VPN or proxy service to access the site if you are able.
Now In Moscow is correct and some time's stable connection.is not blocking,Thanks or fix.
People like you who withhold information is what let all of this money be stolen in the first place.
Please, keep embarrassing yourself when it was your fault that I found out who he was in the first place. Next time you will not taunt those who are out of your league.
Glad to see the site going well.
That sounds delighted..
great job guys its not like i want a happy userbase here anyway. keep making awful mistakes by hiring the worst people for the job.
Not that the actual new coder is any better mind you.
I mean how hard is that??
He shot them down.
For a little context Trapa is involved in most, if not all of the west coast cons directly involved with the boards and the convention's nonprofit. Experienced.
(as a comment put it) Others were even backing the bid to raise it even higher.
Also I guess in another old tweet he turned down $50k
He has admitted paranoia though, so only trusts those close to him. ^^;
And I agree with the latter. At this point I wish other sites held the market/community/etc that FA did as I am starting to feel more and more unsafe here. :/
Neer, you hear this?
Change needs to happen
I absolutely agree, though. Change is long, long overdue. And what is being expressed above is NOT it.
I want FA to succeed! I like it here, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET IT FIXED. THAT'S (almost) ALL I WANT.
The problem with Weasyl's community is that there isn't one.
SoFurry is still hideous.
Its like every now and then Neer gets a list of decisions graded from good to bad and always without fail chooses the very worst.
Hello Zidonuke, a.k.a StarryKitten.
Whose going to get the blame when the next security breach happens no matter where the real blame may lie? Can anyone guess?
Why? What do you people get from this?
But what do I know? I'm just a Croc.
With regards to these updates, I'll just wait and see, personally XP.
"Give the man a chance, he promised not to touch little kids in their special places anymore..."
I make thousands of dollars a year drawing cartoons for customers, hundreds of customers get art they like from me, all from this site. I have never been obliged to pay a single cent towards the upkeep of a site that facilitates my business and the business of thousands of other artists. I'd expect donation drives for the upkeep of a site this size to begin with, even without the promises to improve the sites function. I am not some cowardly sheep following a herd, I've benefited greatly from FA and the community that uses it, so I'm not about to shit all over it because it's not as good as I would love it to be.
And I'm sorry that you have your priorities so wrong. That's right, you make "thousands of dollars a year" (wow) so that makes it completely okay to ignore 20k of other people's money going unaccounted for and it makes it okay for Dragoneer to lie about where donation money goes. Because the world revolves around you and your cartoons.
It doesn't help to condense your point into ridiculous scenarios that miss their mark by a wide margin.
~cheerio
"According to you, which is perfectly fine, but it's also not up to you who gets 'hired' on the site XP. "
So I didn't realise you were responding to the comment I made directly to you. Anyway, I don't transfer funds through this site, that's through paypal. FA doesn't handle the money. If someone wants to come after my money, having admin access on FA has nothing to do with it. They'd have to fuck with paypal or whatever other site someone is using to transfer funds.
This is a very real concern for many of us who want FA to remain up, and want it to actually be a -good- site.
Yeah, all the anger and peoples' condescension and harassing of one another is tiring, but I understand why people are upset. There is a long history of broken promises, excuses, unprofessionalism both to users via favoritism and by refusing to fix issues, lies, cover ups, etc etc for years. Yes, this is a free site, so people should be happy they get anything at all, but people are willing to help FA. It just seems Dragoneer refuses it the times it actually matters and would help the site; instead using it on a server they apparently needed but haven't touched for a year?
Basically this whole comment here ended the argument, imo.
"Hacking some websites"
They've done it more than once.
They've have enough chances.
Bad past and start a new in a lie, i'm sorry. But that's all i can base my impressions on
It was mentioned by Starrykitten that they would give his identity when he felt ready to. This obviously refers to the fact that drama would ensue, but releasing his identity before he had a chance to make real changes would just make his job all the harder to accomplish. A lot of people in this fandom are very judgmental, unforgiving people, so actually having evidence to the ready that would confirm good intentions, that would help to counter that sort of shit, isn't a bad strategy. Didn't work, though XP. Perhaps an underestimation of the cynicism of some of the sites users, lol.
It does seem fucked up to keep seeing shit like this happen, but then most of us have the pleasure of not having our lives under a microscope, for all the render their incomplete judgements. Transparency is a noble ethic and I think in this case it should have been adhered to, but I also understand there are reasons for not wanting to be so up-front about the past. Personally, I'd care more if I thought this sort of stuff could actually cause real harm to people.
Well you just kinda said my point, if they knew drama would ensue having him hired... why hire him at all? A stupid example, but that's kind of like hiring someone with a history of stealing pens in the past to work in a pen factory, and when knowledge of his past getting out, it blowing up yet.. Expecting people just to forget about that? You just shouldn't really see it happen.
Also the fandom being very judgemental / unforgiving. I actually disagree. We have at large, very open minded fandom who is generally accepting of all breeds. Sure, not everyone in the fandom is like that. But honestly, no where else have I felt a place far more open to people being different, being outcasts etc. So I wouldn't say "a lot", maybe a select few.
It doesn't seem fucked up though. It is fucked up. I don't want to put the guy under a microscope. I am not judging him as a person but I am questioning why he was hired?
As for it not actually causing harm, well sure. That's where I agree with you. Some of his actions may have upset people, from what i've read it certainly seems that way. But that's not really the point. The point is really about professionalism.
What I care about is what harm, if any, is being done. I think taking on volunteers with questionable histories isn't the best way to go about things, but it's not destroying peoples lives either.
But your second point, the site being run by people with flaws. Well of course, no one is perfect. However, I think these things simply should not happen time and time again when your community has raised concern about it. A simple error is easily forgiven, for sure. But one obvious questionable ethic decision after the other.. I dunno, it just seems like it could be improved upon? I'm not one to pretend like I know what it's like to run a site either. I've been an admin on a chat website before, that's about it.
Also, people are hard on dragoneer, definitely. I don't think he's the worst person to exist or anything.. but I would be lying if I said many of the things he does isn't.. very questionable.
And while it might not be destroying peoples lives.. well.. No, but it seems very self destructive to me
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img...../4318/hmha.jpg
The principle is: lifelong condemnation for past actions is not a sensible way to look at life. It makes no psychological sense, no social sense and is also a corruption of principles of justice and morality. However, doing something as reprehensible and evil as rape, child molestation or systematic murder should have a price that does not include 'forgive and forget'. This isn't about serious crimes and serious convictions, though, so it's not appropriate to compare what's happened here on FA with touching kids. I mean get fucking serious.
let me explain. across all examples, manipulation is still manipulation at the end of the day, no matter the severity, be it on a server, real people, fish, sheep or children.
again, this isn't godwins law levels of ridiculous hyperbole, it's a situation where someone is directly responsible over something and hiring someone with a history of messing with that something to supervise it, the major difference being who or what they're supervising. hence the analogy part. it's not directly comparable in every single way, just in similar aspects. to go on, if you really want to go that far, then you must take every analogy at face value, considering fa users are not entirely made out of chocolate, have fins or are underaged. since those are logical extremes, why make the analogy? nobodies actually dying over fa, why make the shark comparison? etc.
i don't think there's a need to tone down an analogy that has been perfectly understood until now
It has come to my attention that some individuals here, and i repeat "Do not" do their homework per say, and read into all the context that has already been posted. It also leads me to believe how readily people are to agree with another. Here's some helpful life advice, and take it with a grain of salt if needed.
When someone tells you anything, "they have seen/heared". Make sure what they are stating is backed up with critical evidence that clearly proves what they have told you is factual and solid. Please stop jumping aboard one ship or the opposition cause you dont like sinking in the ocean of fear for having not picked a side. Neutrality is an ok choice, and if people are going to burn you to the stake for not standing with them, those are not your friends.
Me having said that Starry is a hacker could be faulty, and for me having suggested he was, and people jumping aboard strikes me in a uncomfortable way.
As much as I have have been able to look at and find for myself. I can not confirm nor deny that StarryKitten truely is Zidovudine who is noted for being a type of hacker. Please learn and reflect on this kind of thinking.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....6#cid:43154957
I don't know, just my two cents.
But the basis of it all, it doesn’t really make sense to hire these people, no matter how much of a “friend” they are. When you could hire someone without a past like that, and who is perhaps even more qualified?
And we have had to dig through this journal and other websites yet again to find the truth. Not only is that grossly unprofessional, it leaves me even more disappointed than i was before. Having uncovered other truths about how this site is run. People getting unbanned with bribes sent to staff, notes being read easily by admins without the users permission, the hiring of a certain OTHER person with a bad history (im not debating if they are guilty or not because that not the root of the issue, the issue is the fact people are not happy/feel unsafe with the decision). They ignore a large portion of your community who is unhappy about how this site is run, and you keep making the same mistakes. Over, and over and over. It becomes tiring and almost sadly predictable and I understand completely why so many people are leaving and have left. It’s shame, and could be so easily avoided. I like FA, I want to stay. I am not waiting to pounce on opportunities to take it down. Quite the opposite. I want to help, and explain why this is not helpful. We are unhappy, and we need to be heard.
Truly, what needs to change is the fanbase's mindset. Then, we'd finally start to see some action being taken around here. Instead, you have people above who say "not reading, too much drama" and then praise Zidonuke without ever bothering to figure out what the hell is wrong with him.
You have some really good points, seriously. I suppose I have been pointing the finger too much in the one direction..
It's really parts of our society (not just furries) in general that dismisses things like this far too easily. Especially if one is popular/famous, unfortunately. I could get into that discussion for hours, but really these people just like to turn the attacker into the victim. There's being forgiving and wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt, and then there's just plain ignoring the fact people have made these "mistakes" countless times, very systematically and many people can vouch they can't be trusted/are an abuser etc etc. People don't at all look into these things, and I try and find as much info as I can. I don't want to act blindly, and I DON'T want to start drama. I just want to explain simple solutions to a problem that is clearly apparent here. Because they are, pretty damn simple to solve and i'm constantly confused to how things are managed around here... I just don't get it.
*offers a hug*
Blindly accepting each new staff member without asking questions is very much the opposite. I'd rather deal with my phone blowing up all day than live my life like such a coward.
I'm glad someone was able to fight back and I'm sorry you're getting so much hate mail, I don't know wtf is wrong with people on this site....or this site in general for that matter!
How dare you ask the admins to be as transparent as they claim they're being. How messed up of you to call them out on that.
Look at all the murders and rapes that happen every year. Can you honestly tell me they all happened for a good reason or were justified? Because if you say yes, that's fucked up. Yes, this is in no way comparable to rape/murder, but I was making a point. Actions have consequences. If you use your position, repeatedly, to spy on peoples' personal information and leak their passwords, what does that say about them as a person? I respect wanting to give people more chances and trying to see both sides, but this guy has done some really shitty things that there's quite frankly NO good reason for.
Yes, you can admit to being anyone online, I understand what you are saying. But people conclusions about him before that and used clues and context to find who he is. Since other people said it, the man admitted it, and the person who owns Zido's account(if it's a different person) hasn't said starrykitten isn't him, it's a matter of "if the shoe fits" for starrykitten. That's my take on it.
Why would anyone in nine hells in that type of position lie about being someone who would cause this much of a shitstorm? And evidence is posted multiple times in the thread. You can see it. It's not really stuff that was 'said' these are admin accounts of things that have actually happened, not just some guys sitting around on a comment saying "Oh I think"
I mean yeah some things are heavily followed based on he said, and a lot of horrid drama is caused, but that's why people post evidence. If we also discredit evidence, then anyone that ever says anything negative about anyone would just turn out to be he said she said nonsense, even if it's warranted.
I just realized the link is messed up.
The person I was replying to asked for the comment where StarryKitten admitted their were Zido.
I copied it from another comment I made.
Silly me. =w=
Sorry!
Scaring me like that
And you make no sense. "Why would someone incriminate themselves"
The only reason someone would say "hey I'm this guy with a fucked up past and I know it's going to cause drama considering the position I'm in now" is because they are that guy. If they weren't, why in nine hells would they cause this sort of a shit storm for the admins of furaffinity just cause?
Now you're just ignoring facts for the sake of ignoring facts.
We have 3 pieces of evidence that show this was larceny under those definitions:
The server being unused, then Neer asking for more hardware money for the ddos
The money being re-earmarked to the tune of 10k for taxes after the donation was already done
And from my understanding, I do not believe the gofundme participants were given their gifts for donating but I may be wrong about that. But are you of the opinion this would float in court?
As for the offense, I really don't know enough about the circumstances or application of the law. I'm about to make a better post in a sec
"The server being unused, then Neer asking for more hardware money for the ddos " - Dragoneer requested money because FA's storage needed upgrading and because they required upgraded infrastructure due to DDoS attacks. There is nothing which suggests that the supposedly spare server was suitable for this role, hence it was probably appropriate to ask for money in this instance. Nor would the spare server have helped with the DDoS attacks, that required upgraded connectivity.
"The money being re-earmarked to the tune of 10k for taxes after the donation was already done" - This falls under the "I fundraised more than needed" rule. That is, the primary reason users donated was to help Fur Affinity's continued existence. I think everyone would agree with that. The stated way the funds would be used (IE: Secondary reason) was the storage, DDoS etc. Now if you run a fundraiser and get more funds than are needed to perform a stated task, are you required to return the excess money under law? No. Are you required to waste it on over-purchasing? No. Rather, the law states that as long as excess money is put to good use within the primary motivator of the donation (IE: Continued existence of FurAffinity) - then you are perfectly fine.
Ergo: If Dragoneer can do what he said he would do (Upgrade storage, implement a level of DDoS protection) AND pay the tax bill with the excess money then that is perfectly legal.
I cannot comment on the gofundme thing as I did not donate.
This may not seem like it matters, but bear with me. What do you do?
In fact, my ability to consider all sides to a story is what makes me valuable in business. Who would want a benighted individual who can only see one side to a story? That's right! No one.
You criticize others for replying to somebody after blocking them -- you shouldn't block me and then ask a question! No, I've never been adjudicated mentally incompetent, and I wouldn't describe myself that way.
I agree that it's good to have the ability to hear even a monster's argument, but in a case like this, the briefest consideration makes one decision the obvious choice, and the other foolish. Dragoneer made the wrong choice.
Virginia § 18.2-178 - Obtaining money or signature, etc., by false pretense
A. If any person obtain, by any false pretense or token, from any person, with intent to defraud, money, a gift certificate or other property that maybe the subject of larceny, he shall be deemed guilty of larceny thereof; or if he obtain, by any false pretense or token, with such intent, the signature of any person to a writing, the false making whereof would be forgery, he shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony.
B. Venue for the trial of any person charged with an offense under this section may be in the county or city in which (i) any act was performed in furtherance of the offense, or (ii) the person charged with the offense resided at the time of the offense.
(Code 1950, 18.1-118; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 2001, c. 131; 2006,c. 321.)
A related tidbit:
VA Code § 18.2-95 - Grand larceny defined; how punished
Any person who (i) commits larceny from the person of another of money or other thing of value of $5 or more, (ii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of goods and chattels of the value of $200 or more, or (iii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of any firearm, regardless of the firearm's value, shall be guilty of grand larceny, punishable by imprisonment in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than twenty years or, in the discretion of the jury or court trying the case without a jury, be confined in jail for a period not exceeding twelve months or fined not more than $2,500, either or both.
I think you'd be hard pressed to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that Dragoneer requested money to purchase a server he had no intent of using. I mean, really? Good thing you're not a lawyer cause you'd really suck at it.
What is more likely is that the server (if still unused) was purchased as part of planned architecture changes and they have simply not gone into effect yet due to issues at an Administrative level. (Namely site users running out every sysadmin he can find within his budget).
Furthermore, coding is easy to monitor. It's called version control.
Permission use is easy to monitor, it's called access rights.
Data is easy to restore, it's called backups.
Exposure of data is easy to address, there are already laws which protect FA from the unlawful misuse of data by one if it's sysadmins regardless of whether they're a volunteer or not.
I don't claim to know everything which happens within Dragoneer's friendships, what he eats and when he takes a shit......and I think you would do well to avoid making the same claim.
This is a person who has never and will never hold his friends accountable. I'm not just guessing or rolling on drama -- I've witnessed this and heard it straight from the mouths of staff.
Be a little more pragmatic please. If you work in a company with more than 500 employees you're probably (statistically) going to be working with someone who has committed some legal form of bestiality in their life time. Does this mean that you quit the company and never work? No. You get on with it, because it's a point of complete irrelevance outside a personal context.
Sciggles has appointed herself admin of admins, requiring other admins to receive "training" from her to perform various tasks in which she has no special proficiency. This slows them down, humiliates them, and serves no purpose but to make her feel important.
I don't know much about how Chase is doing, except that his arrival on the forums displaced a lot of experienced and well-liked mods and left at least one subforum in deep shit.
As for Zaush, these "unproven allegations" are enough to make me and a lot of other people nervous about what he's doing with admin access to people's notes and account information.
Dragoneer ignored both his promise and the conflict of interest to promote Sciggles.
Dragoneer ignored the eventual disclosure of his secret identity and dogfucking to secretly promote Chase.
Dragoneer ignored massive user concerns and distrust of Zaush to make him a Phoenix leader and I have no doubt he's also an admin.
Dragoneer ignored the extreme risk of sabotage by a consistently bad actor to promote StarryKitten.
In at least three and probably every case, Dragoneer felt that his decisions would be so unacceptable to the userbase that he had to hide them with bogus accounts.
This isn't a case of just happening to have some former bad apples in an organization, sliding under the radar. This is jumping up on the table during a management meeting, holding your finger up and saying 'SHHHHHHHH" to the Board of Directors while putting "VICE PRESIDENT" stickers on a bunch of Klansmen. Then taking a dump on the boardroom table and uploading a video of the whole thing to your corporate Facebook account.
1) This happened after the fact of her acceptance into that roll.
2) Chase being a forum moderator displacing others is not his fault. If people choose to let their personal opinions get in the way of what is primarily a professional role then that is their choice. Chase cannot be blamed for that. People need to learn to work with people they don't like if they value their role within an organisation, whether voluntary or otherwise.
3) People should not judge anyone based on unproven allegations. For example, I might allege that you're guilty of being a fucking idiot. Does that mean that people should go on hence forth assuming you're a fucking idiot? No. Obviously, they do, but that's the problem of those people.
4) Dragoneer should be able to hire who he wishes without having to make promises in the first place, regardless of COI. Any politician or LLC operator has the same freedom to do so. In fact, it's why so many wives of politicians work at campaign offices.
5) As above.
6) You don't need access to the existing site to code up a new site from scratch. In fact, anyone could do what Zaush is doing, what is, start their own FA re-write. You don't see him responding to tickets, doing moderation now do you? Nor does he appear to be the Sysadmin type - rather, more the coding type. These are two distinct roles.
7) Yes. That's good (Though debatable). Now ask yourself why he did that. Given that it's Dragoneer's site and he has more to lose than anyone, he wouldn't have taken that risk lightly. There must be reasons he felt it would be a good decision despite what people thought about it.
8) More likely because he's trying to get stuff done with the tools he has available and the tools that he feels will perform well in the role. Obviously the user base may not like some of these decisions and I can see why he would want to avoid that drama. It's the same reason that politicians hide the real value tax hikes behind a wall of numbers. It's part and parcel of doing business.
he's clearly not cut out to own this website and should be replaced. :/ And that's that.
Finally as for "replacing him" > He owns the site. He purchased it with his own money. It is his business. If he want's to run it into the ground (as so many assume is the case) than he is more than entitled to do that.
Fact is he bears a shitton of responsibility with a site such as this, especially now that a lot of people have to rely on it for their income.
It is not his toy to do with as he pleases, but if that's what he wants to do, he's not fit for owning a website such as FA. It's easy as that.
He's obviously not trying to ruin things on purpose, but he seems to be unable to learn from old mistakes and acts and decides in a very subjective manner.
Choosing friends over new, but better people, helping them cover up their shit and then talking about transparency.
I found dioderancher's explanation below us fitting for the case. Doesn't change that it makes him unfit to be a leader of sorts.
FA is a privately run, free website, yes, and it's an argument many people will bring up time and time again for people who want to see change. But this is a community, and people want to see it change. As I said above, Neer either needs to admit he doesn't care about what users have to say, or actually start following through with some damn promises and allow us to put down money to hire an actual coder for GOD'S SAKES.
This promoting of friends who have no/little experience and bad histories is just unprofessional in every sense of the word. Zaush was proven (even ignoring his history of harassing women, I won't touch on the debatable rape) to not have the experience he claimed to have. People who were on the project and tried to help were ignored, mocked, and forced to step down. Chase is a self-admitted law breaker and in notes it's shown Neer tried to cover for him. I won't debate the morality of bestiality, but covering up for illegal activities is really skeevy at best and of course illegal at worst. And then Sciggles, jesus don't get me started. Literally no experience as an admin, and it would be impossible for her not to pick favorites. And then...this. No words.
The blatant lies and covering ups are insulting enough without claiming to start being "more transparent." It's like Dragoneer, I don't think he's a bad guy, but he has NO concept of how to properly run a website, and he's ignored good offers and ideas so many times, I can't for the life of me understand why. The trust issue is one thing yes, and I get that . But hiring an actual coder? That's not difficult, and the site has pooled together for causes before. Everything that's happening here is just adding repeated insults to injuries.
What is wrong with me?
Idiotic. That's what this whole thing is. Idiotic.
Well, hopefully StarryKitten will get butthurt once again and pull the plug on this shithole, finally allowing everyone to move on to Furry Art Gallery Copy #2948294 that's at least better run.
We judge people based one what they do. What they show themselves to be. Yes, people make mistakes, but I don't count mistakes as mistakes we should right off when they're the same exact mistake multiple times and recently. Maybe let him work on something without so much power for a while, let him build up his trust before throwing him into the pit with the master key. If I'm constantly mopping the floor and using the wrong cleaner all the time, you can't just have me mop again ten minutes later and go "well I gotta give you a chance." At that point that's just sheer stubborn attitude and stupidity.
Yes it's nice if people have done things in their past and have shown themselves to be better for it and given enough trust. That's great. Awesome. But dammit at least let it be something not so constant and recent. What the actual fuck. Didn't even let it become the past yet before saying it's in the past.
I'm sorry but you still have to have consequences for your actions and this nancy ass "oh let's all give him a chance, he might not do it again, everyone's so mean" shit is for the birds. Shit doesn't get fixed if you sit on your hands and do and say nothing. And for the love of everything just because it's a free site doesn't mean people can't have something to say about it. We love it here, voicing concerns is what gets shit changed. The users are just as responsible for making this site what it is as the admins and I think we at least have to be able to voice concerns and be HEARD. Without us this site would be nothing.
Building trust means being transparent, completely transparent. Regardless of the drama it will cause (and I'm sorry, but this is what's caused "consequences for your actions." Take your medicine like an adult.) That's saying "this is me, this is what I used to do, but I want you to know who I am and know the truth because I want to show you I am trustworthy." What kind of backwards ass shit is it to try to gain trust by hiding for a year? Yeah, drama sucks when you're trying to clean up your act. I know. Ooooh god do I know. But that's what comes with causing shit for as long and as frequently as you have. You gotta take the bullshit to be able to gain the trust. That's just how it works.
Yes, this.
A) Zidonuke has recently joined the development team and is already under some form of monitoring or restricted access (If not by Dragoneer's own directive, then by the directive of the other sysadmins who wouldn't know him well aside from his history)
or
B) Zidonuke has been involved in FA techops since long before now (albeit in a reduced role, possibly simply submitting code patches or what not) and it is now appropriate for him to take on a greater role given that he's build up a rapport.
Or possibly both. Again I think the kid in the candy store point of view is profoundly ignorant and without basis.
And I still don't think ANY sort of coding position or position where he'd be an admin or have access to any important information would be the way to build his trust back up, with or without restrictions or being watched over (especially by admins who a large portion of the user base don't trust in the first place). That's too much power in my eyes. And you're asking people that already have trust issues with the user base, to be trusted to watch over someone else suspected to be untrustworthy. It's a messed up situation, but sorry to say, good PR would PROOOOOBABLY tell you NOT to hire this person at all, let alone to a position where he'd be in direct contact with the one thing people are going to scream bloody murder about him being around anyway. Whether or not he's being watched. That makes zero sense.
There are a bunch of coders who have offered their services without the backstory and without the buddy buddy tie with Dragoneer. I mean unless they LIKE drama and backlash, go for the same ol' response you keep doing and keep getting shitty input for, otherwise, why not choose someone without the connotations JUST on the bases of keeping shit from being a shitstorm? I mean if he HAS to be in a position to help with the site THAT BADLY, pop him on some of those trouble tickets there.
Secondly, I can sympathize with how Dragoneer ends up making shitty decisions. He knows he has furries as his user base and tries to avoid the endless shit that a bunch of self-entitled users like to cause. Buff said. Is it poor decision making? Yes. But I can understand why he would make those decisions given what he was to work with - IE: Users like yourself.
Lastly, Zidonuke's specialty is code and systems. He works in that industry and I imagine Dragoneer knows this. Having him on Trouble Tickets would be like having an ex-prison guard working in a nursing home. It isn't a good git. It's not what he is good at.
Money > User
Buff > Nuff
This isn't a past thing. This happened RECENTLY and we're expected to just be okay with that and let him do whatever. You just said "Dragoneer isn't running this to make a buck" as if this isn't a job or anything, then turn around and say that it's not what he's good at. Like admins on this site all are on here doing what they do because it's what they're good at.
And I have no idea what you mean by "users like yourself" I've done nothing but voice legitimate concerns. Just because YOU don't have those same concerns and just because YOU don't have the same moral values that I doesn't mean I'm somehow here to start some issues or cause someone to make a poor decision. I don't get this mindset that just because I don't agree with everything dragoneer does on this site that somehow means I'm some self entitled user hell bent on causing shit just to cause it.
I still don't see how the user base being shitty like some of them are means you have to keep making the same bad decisions over and over and not be able to learn from them. You're acting as if anyone in an admin position gets in said position and doesn't expect SOME shit over anything they do from at least SOME of the users, even if they're doing everything right. His poor decision making is his own responsibility. Yes, we all make mistakes, but we all shouldn't just write off each other's mistakes and blame other circumstances for it. That's not how we learn.
My specialty can be data entry all day, but if I'm taking that data and using it elsewhere in an dangerous or privacy disrespecting matter, then it matters not if I'm good at it when I'm hired for the next job. That's not the only thing that should be taken into consideration. I would have to build up a rapport and trust FIRST before I'd be allowed to do that same job again.
And again, just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I'm some asshat. So please, before you respond again, make sure you're doing so because we're having an adult discussion. Not because you think I'm just some drama starter for the sake of starting drama and causing a witch hunt because OMG I HAAAATE ME SOME DRAGONEER. :T
I just think that they should be more aware of their userbase, is all. Zido could be very good at what he does and I hope that he's not going to do anything messed up, and I HOPE that he's watched very closely (because that's what happens when you mess up), but there are other people without the backstory and who are just as qualified, if not moreso than Zido. Dragoneer would've gotten help with the site, there'd be no security breach issues, no one would be screaming about trust and the true definition of transparency, and there'd be no shitstorm.
I dunno. I'm the type to prevent something before it happens. Not see something happen recently and just hope to god it doesn't happen again while I put someone in the exact position to make the same thing happen. But that's just me.
Your inability to consider that others within the staff team have had the same thoughts is again, ignorant. There is more then one person on FurAffinity and they would have been aware of this before it was publicly announced. I am sure adequate safeguards are in place.
- Implying that Dragoneer has hired all legitimate people and not just people who are friends.
- Implying that Dragoneer himself hasn't done this same exact dumb thing in the past, gotten the same reaction, and ignored it only to do it again.
Delusional indeed.
Turns out he's been on the tech team for over a year now. If he was going to fuck things up he would have done it by now, every project which he had issues with he did so in relatively short period of time after joining. So I think credit needs to be given where credit is due.
If he's been here a year, where's his proof? How can he not have made a difference in a year? So it really boils down to a couple possibilities; 1. being that he's lying to make users more comfortable and hasn't done shit, 2. he's been here a year but hasn't done shit 3. he's done work, but not enough to show anything for, which means if he's been here a year and hasn't finished anything of value he's not worth being here and we should hire an ACTUAL CODER instead.
A year is plenty of time to start the groundwork for something, if not finish it completely. I know you want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but his shaky history and with all the lies between Dragoneer and the rest of the staff, I can't believe anything they're saying.
Also, I suggest you check your timestamps as to how recent you're talking. The F-List thing happened three years ago.
I'm not going to dignify the rest of your post with a response as I can recognise delusion when I see it. All I will say is: Zidonuke is good at IT. If he is to be on the staff, then that is where he should be working. Trouble Tickets is front-line customer management. Lastly, I do not think so poorly of Dragoneer as to think that he did not weigh up the risks and costs of bringing Zidonuke onto the sysadmin team. You'd have to have a pretty high opinion of yourself to think that other people are that stupid. Hence, given that, I believe there is more to the picture. But this is after all Dragoneer's website. He isn't required to tell us every detail of everything he does. We are not his micro managers.
2. If you're going to claim to be transparent, then be transparent. Don't do it if you're not going to. No, he isn't required to tell us the details of everything he does, but if he's not going to then he shouldn't claim he is.
Also, I'm pretty done with you. You are so far up the admins ass when you can't see when people have legitimate concerns. Any negative comments towards the site and the admins are going to be nothing but someone trying to talk down to you or someone being entitled. The fanboyism is silly and according to your other comments you are content with just ignoring the past transgressions and sitting in your own pile of delusion.
But I think it's real cute you called me delusional. Get over yourself.
Ooh, maybe even cannibals?
(sorry, bad jokes aside.. Gotta keep things somewhat light though right? .-. )
That's a laugh. Furries are poor, why would they care?
A lot of people on this site are loaded.
HAHAHAHA. Spending a few thousand per year on art isn't loaded. Instead of saving money they blow it off or even better... they're connecting their paypal to their credit card and "spending their money"
Don't make me fucking laugh harder. Most furries earn below 30k/yr. Some up to 60k/yr with the exception of California furs where the salary/wage is higher to cover insane housing costs(putting them at the 60k or below level).
To be dropping thousands, that pretty much requires a disposable income.
And--if we ignore credit cards--a lot of furries who blow their money now instead of "saving it" still have an income *somewhere* to even be spending that money (else it would've been sucked out of their pockets the moment they received their paycheck or allowance). There are a lot of them who spend their life on commissions and then end up (or are) butt-ass poor or without an apartment, but I'm talking about the continuous big-wallet droppers.
I'm not saying the majority of furries are well-off. I know that ain't the truth. But I think there are certainly more out there and on this site than you're giving credit to. That's my opinion. But feel free to laugh your nutty self back to the pile of elephant shit from which you came.
You know who used to do that? Alan. He'd spend his VA and welfare checks on commissions, then ask for donations once winter came around saying he was going to freeze to death if he wasn't able to pay the utility bills.
I suppose my worry lies in what will happen if 'Neer boots him from admin status more then anything... anger and tension causes people to do stupid things.
So he's a hacker, so what? At least we know he is good with code! :P
People do shit when they're young, maybe he regrets it maybe he doesn't.
It really doesn't matter, he is our new coder and he is doing stuff to help the site, yall should thank him for all his hard work and stop being such asshats. I think he is a good addition to administration despite his past. And of course he wanted to hide who he was! Just look how shitty yall are treating him after yall found out? :/
Sometimes people being ass holes like this is what causes people to react negatively and do something bad.
How would you like it if you were working hard to do something and a lot of people where just ungrateful shits about it? :/
Might make you want to do shitty things back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
Exibit A: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Zidonuke
Exibit B:
starrykitten
StarryKitten
(No Subject) Posted: November 16th, 2014 07:30 PM
I am zidonuke zidonuke
Automatically assuming FurAffinity is going to fall apart in a screaming heap due to Zidonuke is premature. I think the more likely end of FurAffinity is the self-entitled users and paranoid schizophrenics on this site will grow to such a number that they implode in one themselves forming a ball of such high density it becomes a black hole that kills us all. Does it mean I'm right? No. Are you right? Probably not. Time will tell but that's the point - you can't jump to conclusions.
I also note that no-one mentions the projects he's been involved in without any issue what so ever.
I will reiterate what I said earlier, as an artist who uses FA, I do not trust him. I am happy that I don't share personal information through FA, but I worry for the people who do.
Either he rolled out a really big update, or he's stepping on someone's toes.
First: [citation needed]
Secondly: Even if such were the case (which I'm not inclined to entertain right now) there are a significant number of reasons why that may be the case. He is a sysadmin so changes to files are to be expected.
Secondly: The scale and frequency of logs past indicate, though there is nothing wrong with him having access to this data, it is very clear that he is neither updating, modifying, or adding anything constructive.
Lastly: I have nothing further to discuss with you. You can cling to your false faith, but I recommend doing so in silence.
Secondly, that is your personal judgement of something which you're yet to make any attempt to prove.
Lastly, I'm glad. I'll continue having my opinions however.
Respond to me again, and you'll be reported for intentionally bypassing the ignore system. That counts as harassment.
Don't worry though, with FA's track record, it'll only take them 3 years to do something about it.
Secondly, the [Citation Needed] remark only works for statements which contain unverifiable claims. Nice try buddy.
Anyone with a difference of opinion to this guy are going to be auto labled as "Self-entitled drama monger". He will fling insults when all you're doing is disagreeing with him. Incapable of being a mature adult who realizes that the world's not always going to eat whatever you cook and that doesn't mean the rest of the world is shitty because they don't.
Why can't we have a difference of opinions regarding this site without anyone who disagrees with the negative criticism automatically calling you out of your name?
I am sure FurAffinity, despite being on some level of incompetent, are not that incompetent knowing the history of the person they just recruited. I also remind people that Zidonuke is not a hacker. Is is a person who has abused access to privileges he was given. Hacking is a completely different proposition.
Now can you say that the exceptional ineptitude demonstrated at F-List is going to be automatically replicated to FurAffinity and therefore FA being at risk of the same catastrophic loss that F-List had? No. You can't and I am certain that is not the case.
People need to be more open to the fact that they may be mistaken about quite alot of things (myself included). Hence it's best not to go jumping to conclusions.
As for the lax security thing, I believe F-List's attitude was an exceptional case not reflective of the vast majority of web services.
We are not starting from a blank slate, zero experience, let's see what happens position. These are the voyages of the USS Incompetence, its continuing mission, to seek out shady creeps and saboteurs to put in positions of power, to boldly fall down the stairs and get stuck in the bannister.
but i basically was going to say the same thing.
Your death certificate is in the mail.
I dont like people who jump ship or bandwagon on one sided statements. As soon as i contradicted my own self and thought for a moment, "Why would he give himself up so willingly, this doesnt seem right" I started to question this more because something doesn't seem right. You can ask yourself why he said who he was, or ypu can ask yourself why would he say who he was. I dont really care, as I dont have no hard evidence linking StarryKitten to Zido, other then a comment that he proclaimed he is that individual.
You are a very one sided person, and need to think on all levels not just the one you can stand on. Like I said far above, and ill say it as many times need be it. "Human beings do the things they fucking do for a reason, weather its good or not does not change this. Everything has a reason weather justified or not, for it is how we define human nature."
Fucking done reasoning with the left and right winged societies.
Check out @Dragoneer's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....657435136?s=09
Does that name ring a bell? Or do you not trust his word either? Jesus Christ you're denser than a block of wet lead.
Sorry for me being skeptical, I just wanted more clear evidence to satisfy my conscious. So I guess things are back to square one on the site ever seeing any true code reworking being done, like ever... I still didnt like feeling as if i was being skewered just cause I once disagreed with my own self which feels pretty stupid tbh.
So hidden
Many locks
Such deletion
WOW
(This place is a shitpile. Everyone should just leave.)
It's just a matter of laziness and site popularity that keeps people from realizing how goddamned easy it is to leave this shithole behind. I’m probably going to disable my account by the end of the year.
It's more of the matter that, from what I noticed, it's easier to get buisness here than it is elsewhere. And yes, their are a lot of of alternative sites that everyone could go to.
Though I wish the "disable account" feature was more like a "delete account".
But because most people are gigantic pussies who fear even insignificant change, it's not going to happen unless either FA suffers a(nother) months-long outage or Dragoneer straight up murders someone.
I mean, thats a good solution to it right? I apologize in advance if its not a very good one.
or is it just administrative emial?
He favorites a piece of porn today at 1. Since yesterday, He has answered zero questions about this situation. In case you were wondering where his priorities lie. I'm sure he's reading all of your concerns while he is favoriting porn.
You wanna explain just how you're fixin up that site there, friendo?
ONCE AGAIN HE PULLS A DICK MOVE AND NOT THINK ABOUT THE DOWN SIDE TO IT.
ONCE AGAIN HE PULLS MORE DICK MOVES AND DOSE NOT UPDATE LIKE HE SHOULD .
Good job sir, you get a "you tried" star.
or this?
damn it, lets go with both lol
Some sort of word on Zionduke would be good, given that he seems to have a past that says why is he in any sort of position of power. Like, seriously? He had to lie in the first place because otherwise people would automatically jump on him like they are now, for fucking people over. I mean hell, he had to spy on people at f-list, now he's an admin and can just read messages willy-nilly.
I mean, he could call it trying to fix his image or something, but I don't trust it at all. I'm backing up all my posted material in case the site goes from "slow for no reason" to "zionduke fucked over something else". Like, wow. Thanks in advance for the high possibility of everyone being fucked over.
Our information is likely already pulled and waiting on someone's computer to do whatever the fuck they please with it.
You fucked up. Oh my god did you fuck up.
Virginia § 18.2-178 - Obtaining money or signature, etc., by false pretense
A. If any person obtain, by any false pretense or token, from any person, with intent to defraud, money, a gift certificate or other property that maybe the subject of larceny, he shall be deemed guilty of larceny thereof; or if he obtain, by any false pretense or token, with such intent, the signature of any person to a writing, the false making whereof would be forgery, he shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony.
B. Venue for the trial of any person charged with an offense under this section may be in the county or city in which (i) any act was performed in furtherance of the offense, or (ii) the person charged with the offense resided at the time of the offense.
(Code 1950, 18.1-118; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 2001, c. 131; 2006,c. 321.)
A related tidbit:
VA Code § 18.2-95 - Grand larceny defined; how punished
Any person who (i) commits larceny from the person of another of money or other thing of value of $5 or more, (ii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of goods and chattels of the value of $200 or more, or (iii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of any firearm, regardless of the firearm's value, shall be guilty of grand larceny, punishable by imprisonment in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than twenty years or, in the discretion of the jury or court trying the case without a jury, be confined in jail for a period not exceeding twelve months or fined not more than $2,500, either or both.
This is the most important part:
B. Venue for the trial of any person charged with an offense under this section may be in the county or city in which (i) any act was performed in furtherance of the offense, or (ii) the person charged with the offense resided at the time of the offense.
If you can prove that you donated, you can force the court to be held in your state because you are the plaintiff. If Dragoneer doesn't pay to fly out, he defaults and the money will be garnished from Ferrox Art LLC, he will also be arrested.
18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television
Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a presidentially declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.
To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to the promises or the whole fraud accusation -- not knowing the details, my honest opinion is that neither of these statutes would stick in practice. More than anything, the prior intention element is basically impossible to prove, and I kinda doubt it's there. I see bumbling incompetence consistent with the way the site is run, but not Ferdinand Marcos cramming wads of cash in his pockets. I looked up the statutes out of curiosity, and just in case there's somebody out there who wants to go to the trouble.
And sorry about earlier. Thanks for enjoying my music.
also, i've passed it on to rowed. no word on if it'll be added, though.
They should seriously take a stop and think why there would be drama around that individual and think about... I dunno... Not taking them on? But according to Starry he's been a hidden admin for a year, so...
I'm honestly just wondering if the niche of coders interested in working with furry sites is /that/ tiny that they have to resort that.
While I don't expect FA to be a mode of sending touchy info to each other, the risk of peoples privacy being tampered with is just uncool. No one wants another yiffyleaks.
Tell me, why is this still the #1 art site in the community again? Pure entitlement on commissioners' part? Laziness? Fanboying?
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PEACE TREATY BROKEN.
In other words, people aren't entirely eager to move to other sites because of having to rebuild a fanbase for one, but more than that there's many times more traffic on FA as opposed to another site. FA is outdated with performance issues, but it's never been enough to get enough people to move, with all the traffic it has.
That being said, maybe having a reputed hacker/ruiner of communities as the system administrator will make people reconsider sticking around here. At the very least, it's hardly a place for secure communications anymore.
that or he'll let FA die and everyone goes elsewhere for good.
As much as I love FA, this kind of stuff is wearing a lot of down really quickly.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/c.....lled_from_our/
http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme....._is_important/
Wow. Holy shit. Wow.
http://i.imgur.com/gulMdlu.jpg
Us: Someone who isn't your friend.
Dragoneer: Pffffffffffffft
also, if we're gonna talk about spending the absolutely depressing amount of money you morons have accumulated from your for-some-reason-loyal fanbase, how about we talk about adding the simplest goddamn shit to our four billion year old website? every time i wanna go jack off i'm really goddamn tired of having to back through a million pages of my favorites so i can get to an image i remember faving years ago. how about we have something as simple as page numbers? or how about FOLDERS, something that deviant art has had since approximately 1930 and that, and i cannot stress how fucking much this baffles me, all of your somehow loyal fans have been asking for for years.
but nah, lets dump the 18 thousand dollars that most private internet charities don't accumulate into funding ambiguous updates to prevent another incredibly easy-to-prevent DDOS attack, or "Project Pheonix" which is totally coming any day now just you wait guys it's really happening please give us more money so that dragoneer can make another iphone sandwich
the fact that i'm typing this when all day the site has been moving so slow that i could access it via carrier pigeon without any noticeable speed differences shows exactly how incompetent you assholes are. whatever, i eagerly await your next bi-weekly update in three months.
Thank you, sir, for taking the time to write this paragraph filled with comedy gold.
Save yourself before it's too late!
sage pls
yaaaay
But, you know, since you think you, since I like -you- so much, I guess I'll just give him another shot.
Except not, because that's -idiotic.-
The whole Zaush debacle proved itself to be too much for me, so I left for about 8 months. I'd given a lot of reflection and I'd realized, as someone who would like to start offering commissions to make some extra on the side as times are tough, that I did still need FA, I finally came back. I was none too happy about it, but at least yaknow, nothing that goes on in the lives of the people in charge of various tasks on the site could seriously mess me up.
I realize that not many will likely care about my whole FA life story, but I feel that it is important to give my detailed point of view so people know where I'm coming from, here. I realize I'm not really saying much new, but hey.
I don't feel comfortable knowing someone with a prior history of fucking up sites and releasing private information has access to my own private information.
It feels like the only mistake FA has ever made is promising us a better site and a better site experience, just about every problem I can think of I've ever had with the site has been related to them grasping a double-edged sword. I sincerely believe that if all current projects were dropped and a News Tab popped up saying 'This the the Final FurAffinity, we're done making any kind of updates,' it would be so much more okay, because at least then, that would be a promise FA could deliver on.
Help has been offered in droves, the user base full enough of people whom genuinely care about the site offering their expertise and services at the same price current FA staff is being paid: nothing. It truly baffles me that after firing, banning and simply refusing people's help, the people who DO get taken on to the Messaic Revamp Projects seem to be the shiftiest, least likely candidates were it anyone else choosing- Based solely on how the site owner feels about someone.
The irony that is FA being about 'the community' is not lost on me.
Speaking of the community, I think that the most infuriating aspect to anything that goes on here is just how far people will go to be apologists. People can and will find a way to be okay with a terrible decision because they believe that despite all evidence... Textbooks... Mountains... Oceans... Planets... Galaxies... Of evidence... FurAffinity is rooting for them. Nothing about any of this is conspiracy, none of this is slander, and my favorite, none of this is trolling. Hell, there's a conversation thread up there where despite the new Dev saying, in his own post, that he is/was a known hacker, the person outright refused to believe that it was the case.
So many people are trying to help other users to see that they're being played for fools, it's about learning and being better for it, but it's hard when it's just easier to sit back and pretend everything is alright, that negativity is now equated with trolling, that pointing out facts and evidence is 'trying too hard.'
I guess in conclusion, all I'd really like is for people to try harder. This isn't a good site and I hate having to re-reevaluate whether staying here is worth it or not, but I guess all I can hope for is people to let themselves think for a bit, that's what this specific News Tab is for.
Just please.
Try harder.
But I also know some people that've waited for a year+ and basically gone ignored by the person they commissioned, too. And come to think of it, I don't think most of the people I've commissioned were the types to take money before making anything.
Sure you can provide so-called 'evidence' but I've yet to see any that has been backed up with facts, it's all hearsay and misinformation. Is the site perfect, of course not, but I'm not going to buy into a conspiracy that they're working against our interests.
Hacking, FYI is not a crime in itself, and as I previously mentioned, can help find and patch security exploits.
I don't think you're a bad person, just a bit too fixed on the drama. Sit back and relax, you'll enjoy yourself a whole lot more.
Oh, and have you noticed how Dragoneer hasn't said shit about the new admin's identity/past, the comment shutdown on this page (and subsequent attempt to memory-hole the fact that comments got shut down), and pretty much every other criticism levelled at him.
If anything, Dragoneer is actively making things worse for himself by allowing rumors and innuendo to run rampant while he tries to either think up a good response to all this or wait until the heat dies down. But this seems like the last straw for a fair number of people. We've been promised upgrades and transparency and all this good shit by Dragoneer for years, and the most he's delivered to this site in regards to ‘upgrades’ is changing the UI around a little and adding the Disable Account option. I’ve been on this site for eight years; Dragoneer’s empty promises are not just a matter of record, they’re what people expect from him now. Dragoneer could promise to hold a livestream where he just eats Cheetohs for an hour, and he'd probably end up streaming a blank screen.
No one who knows about Dragoneer's history with this site has any faith in him. He has broken promises and screwed people over so many times that it's impossible to trust much of anything he says. The only reason FA isn’t damn near abandoned at this point is the fact that its userbase is so big and there's shitloads of artists who rely on FA as their chief point of business (a mistake on their part).
Dragoneer has failed you, failed furries, and failed FA. Nothing you can say will change that and everything you do to support FA from here on in will support a man who thinks hiding a hacker's status as admin for over a year is ‘transparency’ in action.
And if you keep supporting him or FA…well, don't come crying to me when you finally realize that he's not gonna grant your wishes.
Sing ‘Hallelujah’ ’cause you can’t change anything.
I realize Dragoneer's not perfect, and I have no excuses for what he's done, but he hasn't failed me. Your opinions mean little to me, and having a negative attitude towards the site will certainly not help.
I’ve been on this site for over eight years. In that eight years, I’ve seen this site change…oh wait, no I haven’t. That’s because Dragoneer has failed to follow through on any of the promises he’s made for this site—promises made to the userbase.
Folders have been talked about damn near since I joined the site. Dragoneer’s promised folder functionality in the past. Eight years after I joined FA, we still don’t have that functionality.
The infamous Furocity merger was supposed to change the entire site from head to toe, bringing fresh new changes and a whole host of improvements with it. The merger not only fell apart within months, but every single person brought onto the FA team as a result of the merger ended up leaving the team.
Competent coders have offered their services to ’Neer time and time again, but are refused because…reasons. (Mostly that ’Neer doesn’t know those coders and thus can’t trust them.) Meanwhile, Dragoneer hires someone with a history of malicious hacking (your opinions about F-list’s ‘legitimacy’ don’t really fucking matter here) to help code the site because the hacker happens to be a personal friend.
Dragoneer has failed you because he has failed this site. He has a codebase of patched-together bullshit running on hardware not fit to run this kind of service, an admin team that routinely ignores Trouble Tickets, a nearly-decade-long history of empty promises, and…somehow he still deserves the benefit of the doubt because he hasn’t personally failed you? No, that’s an assertion I don’t buy.
I wouldn’t want to be you when you finally realize—and openly admit—that Dragoneer isn’t going to save FA despite his having all the second chances in the world from people such as you.
Sing ‘Hallelujah’ ’cause you can’t change anything.
I'm not going to say Dragoneer is going to 'save FA'...FA is in no danger. If it's lasted this way for YEARS, in the 'patched-together bullshit' of which you speak, what makes you think it's going to fail? People are always going to donate, there will always be plenty of users, the site's not going anywhere.
And I don't see a need for folders, seriously it's unnecessary, it would be nice, but I don't personally need them.
Oh, I beg to differ. People have gotten wise to Dragoneer’s bullshit; this whole debacle is just another notch against his record that people can use to point out why they left FA. (And people are leaving, regardless of whether ’Neer wants to admit it.)
The numerous site slowdowns/crashes, the lack of transparency in pretty much every facet of administration, the donation/hardware debacles, the YiffyLeaks note hack a few years ago, the Zaush debacle, the failed Furocity merger, the original Project Phoenix (and every prior/subsequent promise of ‘new UI and functionality’), and this little debacle have all started adding up. The userbase isn’t going to stay bent over forever.
And before you say ‘the site’s not going anywhere’ again: the Anime Web Turnpike shut down last week. That site had been online for nineteen years.
Everything that has a beginning has an end. FA is no different, and don’t kid yourself into believing otherwise.
Shame, I've never heard of the Anime Web Turnpike, must not have been that popular, eh? Who cares how long it was online - if I opened a shop 19 years ago and I saw very few customers you can be sure I'll shut down pretty darn quickly.
And sure, everything that has a beginning has an end. Your life has an end. My life has an end. FA has an end. Google has an end. See where I'm going with this? Just because one site shuts down doesn't mean FA is somehow 'next' that shouldn't matter since I should assume you already have a 'free haven' on another site?
So don’t mistake current popularity as a benchmark for future popularity. MySpace was once the biggest ‘social networking’ service on the Internet; now it’s nothing but the punchline to a bad joke. (And I mean worse ones than that ‘Freehaven’ joke you tried to make. At least you gave it some effort. 🌟)
FA is no different. All the transgressions and issues with this site aren’t going to magically disappear when Dragoneer makes the next promise he won’t keep. He can’t take all the information floating around about his past failures and flush it down the memory hole. People will grow sick of his shit and start looking for alternatives, be it a furry artdump site or a personal site or even Tumblr.
His continuing failure as an administrator and community leader will be the downfall of FA. There is no saving this site. FA will die and no amount of wasted donations or giving Dragoneer his twenty-second chance to prove he’s not a failure or ‘nothing is wrong, everything is fine, all is well’ gladhanding that ignores just how badly this site is run will change that fact.
The only mystery is when and how it dies.
Okay, looking at MySpace, sure it's a shadow of its former glory, but Facebook came in at the right time and won a lot of MySpace's former userbase. I don't see myself ever leaving Facebook though for a third social networking site (see Google+)
FA is similar in that the site came online at the right time, many people simply aren't just going to leave because a new site pops up.
FA's got its problems, sure, but there haven't really been any 'mass exoduses' albeit a few seemingly decent ones, not sure how many people really left, but a lot of people are going to stick it out.
In order to use the words "no saving this site" you have to think that the site is dying. And while it may eventually do that, it is far from it. A few bumps in the road won't change that.
And this site still hasn’t changed in the eight years I’ve been around. It’s a parade of failure, each year bringing more and more humiliation upon Dragoneer and his inept management of this site.
You can refer to things like putting a malicious hacker in a position of power as a ‘bump in the road’. I can refer to it as ‘the last straw’. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is by disabling my account and leaving this site for one with better uptime, better functionality, and better administration (in comparison to ’Neer). I’ll likely do it by the end of the year, if not sooner (maybe even the end of this week).
How long are you going to wait for something better?
Or do you even want something better?
I'm not referring to the 'hacker' as a 'bump in the road' but I should mention that hacking a few sites does not simply make one a 'malicious hacker' nor does that make him the same person he was 3 years ago. If I did something stupid years ago I'd be pretty pissed off it that defined who I am today.
Go ahead, leave. The comments won't be as negative.
After all, if the site works, who cares if it runs slower than a snail who just smoked some pot? What does it matter if it crashes every few weeks/days? Why should anyone be concerned about a person with a history of malicious hacking being granted access to the codebase of FA and the entire FA notes system? I mean, it works, so why bother giving a shit how well it’s run, right?
My negativity gives me the spark of life that is necessary to cut through Dragoneer’s bullshit and give him the criticism he rightfully deserves. If you just want a lifeless circlejerk of people going ‘everything is awesome and nothing is wrong’ all so you can avoid ‘negativity’, methinks you’ll have it soon enough.
But don't blame me when the site goes down and you're stuck waiting to give Dragoneer a virtual blowjob for ‘fixing’ a problem his incompetence likely caused in the first place.
You’re the one who chose to suck his dick, after all.
It's nice to be critical, but there's a fine line between being critical and being a complete jackass. You passed that line ages ago. Be critical, ask the write questions, comment on the right stuff. Don't be a jackass about it. Simple as that.
Criticizing who is hired on isn't exactly necessary. You can disagree, but I'd prefer to see what happens with the new guy without passing judgement based on his past.
And if that means being ‘too negative’, so be it. I’d rather rip Dragoneer a new asshole than water down my criticism with ‘he fucked up, but’ statements meant to soften the blow of calling ’Neer an incompetent hack. Criticism without any actual life behind it is no better than virtual cocksucking.
I have a lot of respect for Neer for giving us FA in the first place. Between FA and it's associated con, the man has made legitimate and valued contributions to the fandom. I do think though that the website has gotten too big for him to run, and the fact he continues adding questionable people to the admin team seems to indicate that he doesn't understand that fact. He doesn't want to let go and is afraid to trust people he doesn't know personally with the site. I get that. It's like parents who don't want to face the fact that their child is grown up, and try to hold the child back. It might be helpful for the parents but it isn't good for the child.
I don't think Neer is being deliberately malicious. I don't think he is intentionally trolling folks. I do think he's in over his head and either can't or won't acknowledge it. He can't see that as a result of it, the decisions he is making may not necessarily be the best for long-term FA. I don't know what will have to happen before he finally realizes that he needs to let go, because he simply can't direct a site of this size and expect it to go anywhere with just his hand-picked team.
I’m willing to give up on FA because Dragoneer has proven that he has no idea what he’s doing any more. Bringing in a known hacker who has acted with malicious intent in the past and putting them in charge of coding the site is just the latest proof. This site isn’t getting better, and it’s probably never going to get better.
So yeah, everyone’s better off going somewhere else and leaving this diseased shell of an artsite to die.
Lots of sites vanish, I used one that went down, then was revived by the community and help by em, one day it never came back up. It was a huge community too, just overnight they made the choice to retired it, no emails, no warnings, just bam, gone. I never bank on anything being lasting. Even DA will tank someday. Well I can dream of it being nuked/given a dignified death.
So I guess in other words it's like finding out there's a bomb underneath your chair. Better not poke it or anything, just keep sitting there and doing what you're doing. Just ignore it. Nothing bad could happen. Just go back to browsing your porn. Nothing bad will happen. Give the bomb time to show it's not going to blow up under your ass. I mean, it took F-list down for 5 days, what could it possibly do to FA?
So stop being so negative, guys. Learn to accept the bomb. Otherwise you might set it off.
What? Stop taking what I'm saying as a threat. This isn't a threat. Just a statement of fact, there's a bomb under your chair. Wow, stop taking what I'm saying in the wrong context. Just go back to your porn. The bomb won't go off. I promise.
Bad on my part. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
I'm kind of neutral about the entire thing, but there are certain posts that push my buttons. cx
But yeah, I know that Dragoneer's done a lot stupid stuff, but this takes the cake.
It's not going to happen.
You may not take people's past transgressions into account when you're interacting with them, and that's your perrogative. But if someone's known to do something multiple times and you've given me exactly ZERO reason to believe he'll NOT do it again when the only thing I've seen is nothing but them doing it over and over, why do you expect anyone to just automatically put their trust into someone?
If I invite someone over to my house, and they bring a bunch of cockroaches in a jar and leave them in my house, then I invite them over again after giving them a chance and they do it again, I'm not going to sit here and expect my friend not to worry about her home when she invites that same person over. No matter how much time has past. HE created the reputation for himself and this is what happens when you do something. He has to build his trust in situations that won't cause people to be worried about his past before you put him in that same situation.
Yes, he could very well be changed. Yes, he could very well have decided that this time he'll be different. But exactly WHAT reason do I have to expect it? Just because he didn't do it in the first ten minutes of being hired on? Because I thought that most of the transgressions happened after he was booted from a project. You've given me exactly zero reasons to trust someone other than hopeful optimism. Not everyone is going to be okay with just giving that out.
Just as much as he can be suspected of doing the right thing this time, he can also be expected to do the worst. And that's no one's fault but the person who built that reputation for themselves.
Just because Neer trusts the guy doesnt' mean it's warrented, nor does it mean the rest of the userbase has to be okay with it. It also doesn't really bode well when half the people are questioning Neer's credibility to begin with.
I mean that'd be a silly thing to do. Of course Neer didn't hire someone with the intention of allowing this guy to do anything harmful to his site. No one's said that. What we're saying is maaaybe don't let friendships cloud what could be a very legitimate concern.
And thank you so much for not automatically assuming I wish you any ill will or I somehow have personal beef with you just because I don't agree! It means a lot~ n.n
I'm between really disappointed , and terrified about about this whole mess and how it's being handled.
It seems really logical to everyone, why would you get someone with a shady past? Why won't you mention it then? Why would you label it as being transparent with the community while hiding vital information about it? but honestly, it's a circular logic, because people wants to know if they're being fucked with, but thing is, no one wants to be lied in the first place.
See, here's my understanding of the past situations. When you guys announced that Zaush was going to code, you fucked up and everyone lost their minds. You guys were being honest, actually saying who was going to be in the staff, but what did you ever think it was going to happen when you publicly admit that a known member of the fandom that has gotten a bad rep (be it true or not, it doesn't matters, because the problem EXISTS and the reputation is already stained).
Likewise, what I'm guessing is that you guys said ''if we tell people that Zinoduke is going to be in charge, they're going to flip, we better not say shit'' well here's your fucking star for going from black to white and not understanding how this works. You wouldn't have to deal with this if you actually had someone in your staff without a bad reputation , transparency isn't worth shit in this context, you think people should be thankful that you admitted to have someone accused of rape on the staff? You think people will understand that you decided to keep SK identity as a secret because shit would fly? Of course it would! This is what happens when you get people not worth of trust by any member of the community.
This is not the community bitching and not settling down for what they get, all I've been seeing is people losing their minds over this, and how poorly it's being handled. And I donated to FA, because I do want to see this site notbe a cesspit, where people actually trusts each other with reason to believe in. I just hope that everything good comes out of this, though evidence might point otherwise.
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This is recent history I've been an art thief, mind, so I haven't had the chance to prove I have reformed even if I had a mind to. Would you take that chance? Perhaps you mights. They are your paintings.
Now going further, if your art gallery had art loaned to it -they weren't your paintings, but they are under your care- Not only that the lenders' personal details are stored in the gallery in a safe I would have access to, would you take that chance?
Give Zidonuke a chance to gradually regain trust. This will take time but that is his fault entirely. Don't suddenly plonk him into an important position that requires the trust he has been so willing to abuse before. If 'Neer wants him so bad make him start as a mod with limited powers on the forum for instance.
If Zidonuke's bad history was several years before and in that time he had regained that trust he had lost before by good behaviour, by being a good moderator, then admin, getting more important roles and actually doing them well, this wouldn't be such a problem.
But making him a systems admin. Making him an admin a year before in secret. Then announcing him to the community, but only under a pseudonymous account after that year. And then having to have his real identity leaked is terrible and then to admit it was blatant nepotism that he was picked in the first place makes it so much worse. Its a real spit in the face and a complete breach of trust on behalf of 'Neer and makes a mockery of this transparency this site is supposed to be operating under.
And good luck being so naive as to not worry about your own safety.
So what if some dude hacked and distributed personal information of several sites he's worked on? Have you NEVER heard of actions speaking louder than words? This is one of those times I trust his past actions on his character WAY more than his fickle apologies. I understand you trust Dragoneer and this doesn't bother you, so why do you care etc, but this affects everyone and WE care. WHY wouldn't we care about his past? This isn't a lapse in judgement or a mistake. This man has a history of doing awful things, fucking websites over with little regard to people, and apparently has been here a year (doubt it) but has done nothing noteworthy in that time to prove redemption? Because if he's done something good for the site, I'd LOVE to see it.
You have to understand we're not doing this because "let's hate FA" is fun to do. We're doing this because this is figurative bullshit. It's ALMOST literal bullshit. Dragoneer has a bad track record of hiring incompetent staff (look at the note leaks), constantly making broken promises (all the "new FA will be out by x"), and just not making good decisions in general (his constant PR disasters). He hired Lexyeevee, and the man purposely manipulated a hide comments button. Dragoneer doesn't hire good people. I want this site to work better, and I want it run professionally. I really do. I don't want to sit here and see people with shady pasts constantly be hired, and wonder if FA will tank and I'll lose the community and customers I value so much. This isn't drama mongering, this is looking at the facts and being worried it'll happen again. And even if you don't think it'll happen, Zidonuke has done it countless times so it's very possible he'd do it again.
Similar feelings are present here. Although I'm not at all fond of what the guy did, even having a history of it, but that doesn't mean he'll fuck up this opportunity. Hell, Dragoneer knows where he lives, quite literally.
Oh you're serious? Let me laugh harder. You think Dragoneer is going to hurt someone for hurting FA? He has no ability to do so. He'd have two venues; through the internet and through real life. Zidonuke already has a bad reputation, what could Neer do to him that he hasn't done to himself? And in real life? I'm sure assaulting someone is a way quicker and easier trial to prove that a hacking and leaking attempt. Neer would be mad, but he wouldn't be able to do anything.
You wanna claim something stupid like I'm somehow making a 'strawman' argument go ahead. Be stupid, I don't give a damn.
We can't change nothing cause the root of the problems with this site will inevitable never release (His) their grip on the site that he took from Alkorra.
No one seems to have a solution that could be enacted to rid the hierarchy here and give it to someone more capable of actually turning this place around. We will indeed continue to repeat ourselves to the problem is fixed. But we can't have progress till we have change, and I don not for the life of me ever see that happening any time soon.
http://www.weasyl.com
That's all you have to do. Click on that link. Sign up for -one more website.- Get your friends to do the same. They run their site well. They run their site fair. They run their site, period.
I mean, I LOVE weasyl. the community is friendly and great! but on the other hand, I've only gotten two commissions there. Here, I've gotten 30+. As much as I want to fully support that site, I just can't leave FA.
Its all a matter in time, and accepted that some things/people never change quick nor fast enough, and never.
Somewhere else.
Hiding or disabling comments is the most outrageously ignorant suggestion of how to fix this problem. Ignorance may be bliss, but it doesn't fix problems.
Doesn't even really have to be flash!
Truth be told, with a site this poorly coded one probably doesn't need access to the servers themselves to do harm. Hence, having someone with a questionable history, security mind-set and good intent working to fix up loopholes is probably lesser than the evil of allowing anyone on the Internet to exploit the site.
There are plenty of people without the questionable people with the same security mind-set, and shit, some have even worked on the site in the past, but have all been chased away. There's no excuse for someone with this kind of history to be put in this position...
Because Neer is the Epitome of good judgement...
That is to say, just because Dragoneer has made shitty decisions in the past (some of which even I have discussed and ridiculed) does not act as evidence that this decision must also "be shitty" and more than a rapist re-offending. The two need to be proven on their own without using the past as a crutch.
The world isn't black and white and this isn't a courtroom. Why would who hasn't learned from their mistake after the 5th time learn it the 6th or 7th? There's a point when it gets ridiculous to defend someone like this. That's all I have to say.
But you can see my point right? If it were anyone else other than Dragoneer appointing a questionable character like Zidonuke to the sysadmin team in some fashion, there would probably be a more good faith assumption that there are adequate precautions in-place against nefarious behavior on the part of Zidonuke, that the decision was measured and weighed up prior to enacting it. But because it was Dragoneer who did it, people automatically assume FA is doomed and again that's premature.
You are entitled to your concerns as is everyone, but those concerns should take the form of, "Ok. If you're going to have someone like Zidonuke contributing, please ensure you weigh up his history when considering what kinds of access, monitoring etc will be in place." <- That is a good, sound, rational contribution to the conversation. Because again, realistically, it is possible to have potentially nefarious contributors to a project and to maintain a measure of control over the behavior of said contributors. If it weren't possible then open-source communities wouldn't exist.
So people need to take a chill pill in this regard. The sky hasn't fallen in just yet and chanting "Dragoneer is a fucking idiot" over and over isn't exactly helpful.
I'm using Zidonuke's prior poor decisions as evidence that there are better choices out there that have less risk.
If it were anyone other than neer picking up this guy I would still have the same reaction, there are better people for the job, just outside your group of friends.
I don't really even see that many precautions. The guy wiped the whole comments section earlier. I didn't really notice any administration approval, and with the whole push to be transparent, I still don't see anyone like neer saying he told him he could do it. The fact that it happened /right/ after he got called out, and then the fact that he followed (then unfollowed after the comment section got restored) everyone (including me) who questioned or disapproved of him in that comment string shows how childish this person is. I don't see any maturing since before, therefore I have no reason to believe this guy is now a mature adult who is ready to take on the task of maintaining this site, or the people who made the decision to bring this guy on board are taking all the precautions needed.
Less risk is an opinion.
Again. Dragoneer has made a decision. He's announced it and it doesn't look like he's going to do a back-flip. It is his website after all and he is entitled to work on it with whim he wishes instead of having a bunch of self-entitled brats telling him what he can and cannot do. If you truly believe he is an idiot, who makes poor decisions and will never change, then by all means get the fuck out of here (I mean that in the nicest way), be the change you seek and find something you think is better. But do remember that regardless of where you go, it will always be run how the owner(s) wish it to be run.
Now, if you chose to stay, change the tone of the conversation from "DRAGONEER YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT OMG THWAHJTHSTYRJ" onto something more constructive that might yield positive effect. The fact is, Zidonuke is on the sysadmin team. You as a user of this site are unlikely to change that. But you can influence it in so far as contributing input of "Ok, it is what it is, but I think X" whilst respecting Dragoneer's decision whether it is a poor one or not.
Jack has run 8 sites previously and has left them all without hacking anything.
Which one has the probably of hacking the next site they are put in charge of?
Probability says Jill.
This has nothing to do with anyone being self-entitled. Please read https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43176890
Unfortunately me as one person leaving won't make a dent. If I can get 10 people to leave, and those 10 people can get 10 people to leave then we have something, but that can't be done unless I put forth the effort to show people that we need a change. I really don't know what else to say. I'm trying to do my part in bettering the community, but being quiet will do nothing.
I imagine he has more respect and self-control than he once did. Even Hexxy (The founder of F-List) has commented in this thread saying he doesn't believe that Zidonuke has any malicious intent.
But I'm talking about the home-user here which is after-all where the majority of FA's traffic originates (IE: From the home). So whilst you raise a valid point in some regards, it's also one of complete irrelevance as it doesn't reflect the circumstances of the vast majority of the user base.
Long story cut short: Unknowledgeable users (the bulk of people) should be installing updates automatically as they wouldn't have enough understanding to pick and chose which updates they want to install.
And I turn a blind eye to the stuff that happens here most the time.
Things in the past didn't bother me as long as I could mingle, and do my thing here with the users. They were stupid moves, but it didn't stop me from doing what I'm here for. This is a bit more serious though. Ugh.
I wonder if it's really time to bury FA now and move on....
which is beyond a little suspecious
A) Use the same password, or a group of passwords, for more than once service.
B) Use short passwords
C) Use password which lack an extensive character set. (Upper, lower, numeric, symbol)
D) Use passwords which are based upon a keyboard pattern or easy to remember words and names.
Very few people sit down and create a truly random password of good length and complexity for each site - and then remember each password in their head. As humans we are good, but we aren't that good.
Hence, programs like KeePass can handle the generation of passwords and they make it so you don't even have to type them into your browser (thus removing keystroke logging as a vector for password recovery)
The way I have my passwords managed is I have a KayPass database on a USB stick. This database is internally encrypted with Rijindael (AES-256) using a composite key that is transformed 94374400 times prior to being used for encryption. The composite key is made up of a password of decent length which I remember and a key file located on each of my devices.
This means that in effect, you would require A) The database from the USB stick. B) The key file from a device of mine C) The password from my head - in order to get anywhere. And given that the composite key is transformed 94374400 times it makes every decrypt attempt take about five seconds on modern day hardware - so brute forcing isn't a viable option.
Whereas, if you used your head to store the passwords. All an attacker would need to do is remotely install a key stroke logger on your device (Which you could download inadvertently) that would then send him everything you type automatically without any further intervention. After about a week, he'd have your most commonly used passwords.
Under my system of doing things, the attacker would have to personally assume I'm using a password manager, find the DB file and composite key himself - which would suggest a targeted attack as opposed to me accidentally downloading malware (which doesn't happen but for the sake of argument.)
TLDR: Password managers are more secure.
Import the DB/Key into your computer, type in the keylogged password and hey, you have all the passwords.
If you have multiple passwords for sites that you type in when you visit, someone gets access to a few sites.
If you have a single password for all of your sites, when someone gets it, they have access to all of the sites you have passwords for.
Keep those eyes rolling.
In the case of a remembering passwords, you would conventionally type them into a site as you go. This could be key stroke logged by a logging application en mase along with five billion other people on the Internet and sent to an attacker for analysis. Realistically, if your security application allowed the key stroke logger to be installed then it is likely going to be there for quite some time making the chances of total password recovery reasonably high.
In the case of using a password database, the attacker would need to personally access your computer to computer to locate and retrieve the database and the key file you are using (as well as key stroke logging your database password). This is an extremely unlikely scenario for any home user as you cannot do this to five billion people in a small amount of time. It involves sitting down and hunting around folders to try and find the files you require - extensions won't help because key files don't have a set extension and database files could have extensions changed.
Furthermore, you have to consider the fact that users with password managers will generally speaking use more secure passwords - this is because many password managers provide users with automatic password generation on registration. For instance, generating a password in Keepass might look like this for example "T3jVyheYbLWOH7GrnD8MVkV4qFR2tVbJ" as opposed to "Bunny1" or "feint4".
Therefore, when one considers the stronger password potential of password managers when combined with the miniscule probability of a targeted attack against you as an individual to retrieve that database, password managers are infinitely more secure than remembering and recycling weak passwords in your head.
At any rate, a keylogger would take time to get all your passwords, and antivirus/antimalware applications are pretty quick to add malware to their definitions. You might be lucky to get a couple passwords, but if you are using a single application, all your passwords are still in one place with all the sites they go to. Yeah encrypted, but all the files are still there when you unlock the db.
If password managers aren't less secure, they are at least on-par with using your head, or even the old fashioned write your password down and lock it up somewhere.
As for, the physical access claim. I am suggesting that an attacker would need remote access and would need human institution to locate the database and the key file being used - it cannot be automated. Hence he would need to expend energy just to locate and get the files from YOUR computer and your computer alone. Undirected attackers much prefer simply ignoring password managers for this reason because time is money and it's more efficient just to keystroke the ignorant types who don't use password mangers. I accept both have risks, I'm merely asserting that the risks of password managers vs current day threats is miniscule as opposed to remembering your passwords. That may change in the future, as these things often do, but right now it's the more secure way of dealing with passwords.
Keeping in mind that any file (or combination of files) on a system can be used as a composite key-file. Hence you could have fifty files that form up the composite key, some of which could be large and impractical for upload.
And most decent password managers are open-source hence I'm not concerned about exploits.
site:
username:
password:
It still takes some form of review to get that.
I may be wrong though, I haven't exactly seen the latest and greatest in terms of kelogging. :P
That's an interesting one to look at on your own system some time. It's high footprint and almost certainly detectable but it shows what can be done.
Is it actually possible for you to hire someone to work on this fucking joke of a website that isn't a lowlife piece of shit? First Zaush, and now this? Are you even fucking trying anymore?
One can get a point across without resorting to such petty remarks and quite frankly, it holds more power if you do.
The fact is people are jumping up and down about Zidonuke's previous involvement with three projects prematurely. Yes, it doesn't make for good reading that's a given. But very few people have inquired into the relationship between Dragoneer and Zidonuke, what access he will have exactly or what precautions are being taken. Everyone is automatically assuming the kid in the candy store argument and there isn't any evidence to suggest that is the case at present time.
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This is the literal definition of troll...
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Waiting for a collapsing foundation to give is not what I do, I dont just sit around till it finally caves in leaving me in a pile of wreckage, I get the fuck out so other than my conscious I know that I am safe.
No one is forcing anyone to leave here, sadly though a lot of people dont feel 'comfortable' here any longer like myself. Truly if things get better, thats great! I can always come back, its not a membership vip club.. Also if you scroll around, you will find a post of mine that mentions for some on here, its difficult switching because of how long they've been here and or how much they have built here. Giving up your money maker is a hard thing, but eventually having the possibility of losing it entirely is a good reason to. I can tell you with a straight face, I would rather soon get the fuck out and break even than lose big. Thats all I've got to say, your choices and everyone's else's is entirely up to y'all. Im half n half over here, maybe more 60-40 split but ya..
This entire comment section is just sad..
I don't care if the new guy is a former hacker. I don't care if he isn't. I just want everyone to stop fighting and being total dicks to each other. We're supposed to be a community that gets along, but then everyone gets all riled up the second something slightly controversial happens.
Harzipan - It's clear you havent actually read the majority of whats going on
We aren't doing this to destroy the community. We aren't doing this because we have a personal issue with neer, we're doing this out of sheer concern for the entire community. We're doing this to help the community, but many people don't seem to understand that.
You can't say that this site has been perfect. After all the shit that we've done for each other, do we really deserve a site the the defense for the people using the site is "I haven't had any issues with it, it's usable."
I think every one of the people in this community deserve a site that gives them results. How long have people been asking for folders? How long have people been asking about how the site has been run. We have alternatives now.
I don't know, how else to put it. We're all here together. We deserve better. I don't see why so many people are hellbent on sticking with this same pattern.
So tired of everyone and their grandmother going "Oh no! A user is upset with the site/admins. That means they're automatically causing a shit storm/self-entitled/brat/being mean/a bully."
Sooooo tired of this mindset that you can't have anything negative to say about the site without being some sort of bad guy hell bent on arguing and causing a scene. There is such a thing as an adult discussion.
I can love something and still have something negative to say in a way that's not attacking. I mean hell, most of the negativity and insults I've seen came from someone trying to DEFEND the decisions of the admins and the sites.
It feels as if Dragoneer doesn't really care what his users have to say. Our concerns don't matter, his promises don't matter. He breaks promises like they're going out of style. He hires people the majority of users don't like and that caused several hundred users to up and leave or only us FA as a side site. But he doesn't care, why should he? The majority of people are still here, even if 1/5 are begrudgingly so because the need for commissions and people we like being here, so why should he change anything?
It's unfortunate and insulting that the opinions and worry of so many people don't matter, and that we need to go to sites like lulz and reddit because the "Transparency" here is akin to a metal wall. And to those who say it's free to use and not our site and make a better one...people donate to this. We may not own it, but we make it what it is. Any good company will tell you that their customers make it possible. And many of us have offered to donate money for an actual coder, but are ignored. Instead, servers that aren't needed, and donations going "to fix FA" are run, with no noticeable change. It's becoming quite defeating, to say the least.
But yeah, I agree that some people are really stupid, anyone who sends personal information over a non-secure form of communication is an testament to that.
"Let's ignore it until something bad happens." What a mature, sensible decision. It must be nice to be friends with a hacker so you don't have to worry about your information being compromised by someone with a history of this. Good for you!
If my email address gets leaked and a securely hashed password, I'll just change it.
I don't condone it, but the loss to life would be minuscule at best, also on the fact that I doubt he would act so recklessly again and potentially damage the rest of his life in the real world I'm fairly confident he won't do it again.
And it's not just my information being stolen that I care about. I like the community here, and I do business (both commissioning and being commissioned) here. FA is already full of leaks and cracks, and all it would take is one good hit to crumble it. I don't want to see that happen. Just because it barely affects you doesn't mean it's a big deal. And the point remains why can't we just go hire a fucking coder with donations instead of "hire" shady people? That would bypass this issue entirely.
I really enjoy being on FA and seeing all of the artist's hard work being enjoyed (both SFW and non... >.>). Regardless, there are issues but those issues can always be fixed, perhaps this is a step forward for both FA and him? A chance for both to recover from the past and move forward with the community to make the site a much better place. As it stands, he is a volunteer so he's not being paid a dime for working on FA. Also I think it does affect me because those creating the drama are forcing it to be with misinformation and no, I'm not saying all of the information is wrong so don't take it out of context - I'm saying that a portion of it is wrong and he's already tried to do good previously (RE: Starrybound).
Call me a pessimist, but with Zidonuke's history and FA's history under Dragoneer I am not hopeful for any changes. Better things have been promised a dozen times from less volatile people. And if it's misinformation, ask it to be corrected instead of just trying to defend him as a friend or onlooker. Bring up points with support.
As for the misinformation, I've tried providing evidence to correct it however I'm accused of forging all of it - I'm tired of not being listened to so that's why I've grown tired trying to deal with it. Really, I can't convince anyone.
If there’s a scammer running rampant in the community, we call them out and shun them as much as we can for their scamming. If there’s someone in dire need of help in some way, we come together and help in any way we know how. Whatever happens in the community, we handle it as a community.
And if someone in the community thinks it's a good idea to hire someone with a known history of malicious hacking, set them to work on the community's major networking hub, and hide their status as an admin of that site for over a year…well, there’s something the community can do about that.
And it isn’t prostrating ourselves before Dragoneer’s dong.
I mean all these bad decisions can't fucking be a coincidence, someone really wants to kill this site.
Basically the song
Hello darkness my old friend.
But the lyrics changed to fit fa
Really, how am I going to feel safe using a sire with someone with such a terrible reputation?
Now to go back to doing more important things, like not caring about this petty drama and eating pop tarts.
Dragoneer, for example, continues to fuck up his role as administrator of FA despite having plenty of chances over the years to change. He put someone with a history of malicious hacking in a position of power, hid that someone’s status as admin/code monkey for a year, and had that someone take on a whole new identity in an attempt to hide that history from the userbase.
That is not being a good admin. That is putting users (and personal information shared within the FA notes system) at risk. It is unacceptable and inexcusable.
If he was truly wanting to change I could believe him if he worked at something that isn't outright the same job he had on the places he fucked up, there are tons of freaking job positions that use coders, and he gets the same position the previous places he intentionally messed up. Sorry for being not really trusting there.
nope, just you.
Do I smell....a sockpuppet?
People who have been excluded or mistreated for any reason, often because they're perceived as "geeks" or have an unpopular interest, develop an intense loathing for the very concept of exclusion for any reason. The idea of a persistent "bad reputation" is abhorrent to them, and they find it unacceptable to leave anyone out, no matter how badly they've behaved in the past. No matter how egregious the offense, no matter how recently or consistently they've done it, everybody deserves an n+1th chance to redeem themselves, because the 86th time might be the charm. Maybe this will be the first time they behave themselves, and only an evil bully would deny them that chance.
Of course not, you would want everyone to treat you well with open arms with no build up of trust and respect and expect that the same job as a security guard that you were shown to be a trigger happy looney, this time, trust you with the gun that in this security guard job you won't shoot anyone!
There are tons of positions for coders, him having this one makes it hard for me to trust that it will be THE one.
Like good for you if you're gonna just be trusting and optimistic about everyone despite anything they've ever done, despite multiple infractions. Good for you.
But I feel like that's just setting yourself up for failure. Yeah it's cool if you don't get burned again, but asking everyone to have that same level of trust is ridiculous.
If I go to ANY job and I screw up multiple times on ANY job, it won't matter how good I am at that job. I don't see why people seem to think good at something means they can negate anything else. You keep taking money from the cash register every job you're hired at, it'd be dumb to keep sticking you there just because you're good at it. Good at something =/= Able to be trusted with the task.
I also don't understand the mindset around here that if you make mistakes and you're in good with the admins/are an admin/popufur then that means you don't have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Those consequences can be anything from being turned down from a position you're qualified for, to having a bad rep and being bad mouthed by the community. That's what comes with people choosing to do something dickish. You take your medicine like and adult if you want anyone to think you've matured and changed. You don't hide and then whine about how mean people are. Don't want people to treat you like a pariah? Don't constantly do shit that will make them distrust you, then try to earn that trust by hiding some more.
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Dragoneer, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."
What's the scouter say about his danger level?
I get on here when I'm off work and am derping around. So yeah....free time.
And YOU are the one that agrees with "people have too much free time"?
Irony at it's finest right here. Didja see the one where he was complaining at someone for flinging insults and yet every time anyone disagreed with him, before they even responded to him, he immediately went into insults with a good majority?
Also this http://zieli.tumblr.com/post/102906204549
but yeah someone without a shady or criminal history would be good
Hahahaha..
Deactivating my account now.
For some reason, I feel like my eyes aren't burning because I forgot to blink.
But why? Because he was posting a link showing why the coder you hired isn't the best choice?? Why our security and safety is at risk??? Why people are freaking out??
Look even Hexxy, the founder of F-List, has commented here saying he doesn't think Zidonuke is up to anything nefarious. Given that he has first-hand experience with Zidonuke on both sides the the scale, I'm more or less inclined to believe him than I am anyone else.
Turns out he's been on the tech team for over a year now. If he was going to fuck things up he would have done it by now, every project which he had issues with he did so in relatively short period of time after joining.
Oh my I can't think of why that is!
There have also been contributions to this journal which are completely unhelpful to either side of the argument
Since when the hell is that a reason to hide a comment or even a break on the rules? Just look at the first comment and it's whole batch of responses, unless repeating the word "stuff" making puns on it and rping are considered helpful contributions, under that excuse all of those should be hidden as well.
For now I will try to chalk it up to spamming and not just admins trying to hide the evidence.
I like to have at least one shred of hope in the admins to not abuse their privileges too much.
Then stop fucking hiring crooked fucking people ffs!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dragonee.....145931265?s=09
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6277601/
oh i love stereo types....
"DID YOU KNOW THE NEW ADMIN DID THIS AND THAT!??? AND DONT YOU THINK THAT THAT THIS AND THAT CAN BE HAPPEN!?!?!?! WE ARE LOST!"
thats not really info, NOT if it is written like that.
A user should have the right to inform their watchers that their personal information is at risk.
OMG i really care now. (thats what i mean with drama)
"The sun will still rise tomorrow. Your teenage daughter will still argue back to you as if she knows everything. Your mortgage will not grow. You will not have skin diseases or rashes, or toads in your bed. The world will just carry on. So do not make this into a big deal."
[citation needed]
http://tshock.co/xf/index.php?threa.....-redigit.2255/
In regards to what you linked, the person in question streamed footage of game-play content an hour prior to the release of said content on the understanding that he was only required to keep the copies of the content to himself (IE: Not hand out copies of it).
I would say this was a misunderstanding between the user in question and the developer, more so than a decision made with malicious intent. Hence I fail to see it's relevance here.
I just can't take this seriously...
i guess youre still one of the people who thing all germans are nazis and now be care of your answer, i -AM- german.
and also if you guys already HATE the new admin THAT much, why dont you gift him a darth vader mask already for srs? geesus.
Also, yeah, an individual who has done the same thing over an over and his last action of such nature was 10 months ago, is absolutely comparable to a many decades old movement in charge of a charismatic but monstruous leader on a nation that was fucked up in a long conflict that had a complicated history behind it, where most of the nation's inhabitant had no idea of the horrors that said leader was causing. It's clearly a 1 in 1 situation.
Of course its' natural to assume he thinks that, of course we have to resource to completely unrelated things that need huge jumps on weird ass logic to get to.
...Need I really clarify this is sarcasm?
Again. I reiterate my previous posts. Someone who has been on the tech team for a year now, works with Dragoneer and has Hexxi's good faith is unlikely to be screwing around.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....6#cid:43155642
i just dont like the outcome.
The current problem is much more serious at hand.
The person was only trying to inform more people about the problem, just like most of the active contributors here in the comments.
This could break huge amounts of privacy whereas a bag of rice falling over wouldn't put anyone in danger.
There is a big difference.
If you can't see that, then you're just dense.
please, listen to what we're saying.
we're all just being cautious
y'know. so I can afford basic things like food?
guess I can't spend this real money on real things like food.
please enlighten me what real life and a real job is, genius
When you make money doing anything, just because someone's not physically cutting a check, you're taking orders from customers and taking money from said customers and using that money to fund needed things in your life. THAT'S A JOB.
Just because it's online, just because it's art, just because they work for themselves, and just because they're not sitting in a building answering to a boss or getting a paycheck every week or every two weeks doesn't mean it's automatically not a job.
I'm so sick of close minded individuals who spout off this nonsense as if people aren't making money from it and aren't using that money to pay for their life needs JUST LIKE A JOB OUTSIDE OF THE HOME WOULD DO.
Come the fuck on. :T
If you work on ART and earn REAL LIFE MONEY to support your life THEN IT WOULD BE A JOB.
Yes, you gave an example of a job. You know what else is a job? Being a freelance artist. Of fucking COURSE having a job on a virtual game that you're not making real money with wouldn't be the same damn thing. Hooooly shit.
https://www.virwox.com/
and i DO "support" my REAL life with that. so you can think that i earn good money NEXT to my REAL JOB~
http://media2.giphy.com/media/xhcwx.....iEus/200_s.gif
If you do, however, earn real life money on secondlife, AND it's enough to support your lifestyle. Then YES it would be considered a JOB.
How old are you? Because either you're really young, or you're stupid.
Let's try this again.
IF YOU EARN REAL LIFE MONEY AND ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOURSELF REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ON A GAME, YOU'RE DRAWING ARTWORK FOR PEOPLE, OR FAPPING ON A WEBCAM WHILE EATING DONUTS.
IT.
IS.
A.
JOB.
Just because it's not one YOU would like doesn't mean it's not one. You do NOT need to work in a building or for a company. It's called FREELANCE.
And also to recap. Being a hooker on secondlife isn't the same as being a freelance artist.
So, according to you, anyone who draws for a living isn't working a real job. So anyone working freelance to help out maybe as a temporary concept artist, a manga artist who publish themselves instead of going through a company, or anyone else who chooses artwork as a means of working who doesn't also work for a company or a boss isn't working a job.
According to your line of logic.
I also like how you're sitting here laughing like you're completely right and you "just can't" when you're spouting off nonsense and sounding stupid. Good game.
THEN IT WOULD BE A JOB.
What you're leaving out is the fact you're getting paid to do whatever trivial work it is.
And you're COMPLETELY wrong. I also said "FREELANCE" not free time. Not hobby artist. Freelance. Meaning this person is making art for the sole purpose of raising money for their job. You're wrong. Any SANE and CORRECT person will tell you that a freelance artist using that as their only job and making enough to support themselves is indeed working a job. Not everyone's as silly as you.
If you are a hobby artist and you are not making enough money to support yourself, then no, it's not really a job. Guess what the tip off would be in figuring out if a hobby artist is doing it for a job or not is? You see the word 'hobby'? You do know that would mean this person is doing it in their free time and not doing it for work right? That's why it's called a hobby artist.
And artist doing it in their free time is also not one that would be considered working a job as they're not only doing it in their free time, but they're also probably not doing it enough to earn a significant living.
My logic is very sound. Yours is the one that is failing. And it really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.
If you are a freelance artist working ONLY as an artist and are making enough money to support yourself, then you are working a job.
If you are a hobby artist or "free time artist" and are only working on artwork on your spare time and are not making enough to support yourself (just like what I do with my artwork) then it's not a job.
What I am talking about are the freelance artists.
And I don't know why you put in there that you have a job and make money and have a life as if I don't have one. I work as a tech support and customer service rep for AT&T U-verse business, I work on art in my spare time (meaning it's not my job), I have a life as well.
You still sound dumb as shit. And i'm sure many of the artist who eventually see this will agree with me.
If you're a hobby artist, you can't also be a freelance worker. You can ONLY be a freelance worker if you DON'T DO THIS AS A HOBBY.
It is two different things you're trying to smash together.
And again, still irrelevant considering you'd also have a job if you happened to only do freelance artwork and made enough to support yourself so that your artwork was the only thing you did. The job you have now is just as much a job as a freelance artist's job.
Yeah, hobby artists are still accepting money, yeah they're technically still doing freelance work. The only difference is they're either not making enough TO choose to use that as their only means, or they've simply just chosen not to do that as a job.
But I would consider a hobby artist as someone like myself, who only makes a little bit here and there to maybe buy a pizza or get a beer with some buddies and a freelance artist as someone who uses that as their only means of work and is making it.
Freelance artist earns a paycheck given to them by their commissioners. This is a job.
They are both jobs. Different jobs, but both jobs.
The difference I was talking about was between someone who only does art for a hobby and someone who does art and uses it as their only job. Not the differences between two legitimate jobs.
That's okay. I'm done talking to you now.
and gotta love he thinks I can just get a "real job" even though I previously stated I'm a full-time college student :I
Like...I wanna just say to him. no. shut up. Stop laughing. That was bad and you should feel bad. You're not witty. You're not smart. You're not spouting off facts. You're an idiot, spouting off idiotic things as you've been doing almost every time you've posted here. It's not funny. It's not logical. No one who is of any sense would agree with you. Stop. No.
I mean hell if you're able to draw and make enough money from that to live on, then go for it! I'd absolutely LOVE if I was making enough from my art to quit my job and just do that. That would be awesome!
But I don't so I gotta be tech support. lol
2. Plenty of artists use artwork as their own jobs, they make enough money. So for you to sit here and claim that ALL artists only make pocket change and only enough to support getting snacks every now and again is close minded and not true. THAT'S what i was saying.
The point was and always has been, freelance artwork IS a job and telling an artist who chooses to use that job to support themselves, especially if they're more than able to do so, is completely wrong and ridiculous. Just because you and that other guy want to go "la la la la la it's not happening" and make bold generalizations about what all artists make doesn't make it any more or any less true.
Freelance artwork is as real a job as any job that you have to have a boss for and get a paycheck from someone else. Period.
I wrote that wrong.
There are also artists stationed in germany who ONLY do artwork as freelance. There are artists ALL OVER THE WORLD who do it.
It's not different. He just refuses to listen to logic and is one of those people with that HORRIBLE mindset that if you're not at a company building, don't have a boss sitting over your head, and don't get a paper paycheck or some kind of direct deposit from that company, then that means you don't have a real job.
Which is not only close minded, it's ridiculous, irritating, and untrue to millions of people who ARE making it work with just their artwork ALL OVER THE WORLD.
So no. It's not just an american thing. On top of the fact the very definition of the work wouldn't suddenly change just because you're in another country.
You do a thing, you make money for doing that thing, and are able to make enough money to do only that thing, then it's your job. Period.
There are a lot of outrageous jobs that people work for themselves for and make money and still are considered jobs. There are people who choose to turn on a webcam, describe a food, then eat it slowly in sexy outfits for people and they make enough money from it to support a house, car, and a family.
Just because someone isn't one of those typical jobs that are outside of the home doesn't suddenly mean it's not a job and they should get a "real one".
Frankly, i feel like half the people bitching about artists who work freelance to get a "Real job" are just envious that they're not skilled enough to be able to do that so they project that on other people.
If that is around the world that you can deal your life as freelancer it sounds nice but of course you will get more money if you, so you says there, get a "real job" i guess. I don´t mind to deal my life if i only could do what i want to...if i just could <.<; but other people has another image of the word "job" or "work". My Dad told me ones "Musician is NOT a JOB!" well that was his opinion, you can´t blame now my dad that he said so, i mean he worked hard as architect and had hard days. I understood him. It was not right that he thought so but....i guess in his mind, you can´t compair jobs with others. And i guess that words are truely the right words wath fits to. He said he has a real job, i guess he means that what you told, working in a big company building, i guess it was retail. Well if you compair now an artists work with that of a retail assistant...well you simply "can´t" compair them and i guess thats the reason he freaked out like that.
You're sitting here trying to get me to be okay with a close minded mindset. To be okay with this stubborn attitude of "no no no art isn't a real job. Only jobs where you work for a company are real jobs."
I'm sorry, but I can blame your father just like I can blame my father for the same mindset. It's not right and I shouldn't HAVE to be okay with it just because "well it's their opinion." They can have their opinion, but it can also be wrong and I can also very much not agree with it. The fact of the matter is freelance artwork is and has always been and will always be a real job. Just because your father, my father, or wath can't get off their high elitist horses enough to realize that doesn't mean it's not true.
Yes, you can get more money if you work another job on the side of an artist freelance job, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything. You can do that with ANY job. You can work more than one to earn more money if you want to, but I fail to see why people HAVE to do it if they're happy working with their artwork and are able to make enough money that way.
But regardless, whether or not they want to stop and take their heads out of their asses for five minutes or not, it doesn't mean that freelance art suddenly isn't a job just because a few close minded people can't figure out what a job actually entails.
It's like you're not allowed to do what you love and call that your job.
But if you want to give your friend ass pats instead of letting him know that "hey buddy, i know you think this way but your way of thinking is very very offensive and screams elitist" then more power to you. But I won't be that way. I have literally no real urge to.
But well to your and my dad, they are older generations and we both live in the here and now. Sure time changes and freelancer artist is a "real" job. Still you cant brainwash now good half of the world peoples head becourse they dont think like you and me becourse a lot people still think like your and my dad, sadly. Sure it is not right but what will you do? If my dad said to me "Learn a REAL JOB" of course i tried to do my own but sometimes, close people mean it maybe "just" good with you. Im maybe glad a bit im not a musician but still it would be nice anyhow. =^^= I guess we should both think about the opinions insteed tell them what is wrong and what not. Of course, you can tell them freelancer artists and like are a good way to get money but if they have a good -reason- to disagree with you, you should teach them how the or your opinion is and listen, which opinions they have. Prehaps thats a good deal after all. =^^=
Im glad we come to a good talk here. How I said, we cant brainwash people, they have there own mind and maybe its even good this way. We only can teach them =^^= People learn from misstakes and misstakes are happen to learn from =^^=
And yea, Wathe can be a child sometimes x3 still pure kind of heart if it is something about his friends =^^=
hundred*
my fingers today x3
I still have no urge to further interact with that guy. You have fun with that though.
Also..I'm apparently a "dumpass"
I lol'd
He's still telling you to get a real job. And claiming that art is only enough for pocket money despite the many artists who ONLY do artwork and use it to pay rent, food, and other expenses. He apparently knows how much you make from your artwork enough to tell you how to handle your life and tell you that all you make is pocket money.
Because logic.
I don´t guard anyone of you becourse you´re all a bit wrong.
Sure i understand your point Aoki that people should or could do to get money counts as job but i guess what wath tried to say is that it gives jobs you can do like drawing and deliver newspaper and "real jobs to earn money you can live from. Of course Artists "can" live their lifes from art but till that happen they have a long way to do so.
Aoki, You should come down, blaming other for that what they tell is not right anyways. I guess i saw your point as well as wath his own point. I also saw a lot "freelancer" words fling around. Sure that is a good opinion but its not really worth for life-dealing. I do that to but have a lil more money in my pockets, food money i would say.
Wath, you overreact a bit, i see your point of course but as you told you you don´t care you should come down from your ego and calm down and not jerk around, im sorry if im rude to you but honestly it was a bit over the line. Also, you don´t live here in america, maybe things are different in europe (in case Aoki didn´t know yea hes from germany and i guess things there are different) but you cant also blame people for their opinion.
So can you please get over it already? We are not in the kindergarden. And yea Wath, i may drink a cup of tea with you if you promise me to stop..
- insulting me over one of the ways I'm able to LIVE
- assuming online artists aren't in "real jobs"
- telling me to get a "real job" on top of all my college studies.
I guess not he means you should get a "real" job RIGHT now. Also i can´t read that he said so. anyways, please read the other comments i made. I don´t want to explain all over again x3
I also think that people don't understand the amount of time, skill and effort it takes to actually do freelance illustration as a job. You are running your own business, it's a lot of work!
They're warning their watchers about a current situation that is very much still active if you scroll up and read the comments.
Swing and miss.
This isn't fiction, kiddo.
Swing and a miss.
swing and hit right between the "ball"(s)
i finally found the best picture which fits really in THIS situation:
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ca/cab.....851e65ffdd.jpg
The truth of the matter is that Zidonuke used to live next door to Dragoneer, works at the same company as him and has been on the tech team for over a year now. This was disclosed in comments above.
Hence, encouraging people to race out and make alt accounts on other sites is somewhat moot given that you're a bit late to the party. Surely if he was going to screw things up he would have done it by now.
Sir, something that was found out 2 - 3 days ago is relatively new.
In fact, the very definition of new is when someone discovers something for the first time or recently.
So just because he was added a year ago doesn't mean he just won't do anything now?
That's like saying that because someone stopped playing piano that they're not going to play again.
Everyone has potential to do something at any given point or time.
What you're doing is defending someone with malicious background, and instead of ignoring everyone because it's obvious all your comments are meaningless, you're still trying to change our minds.
I have to admit, I admire your dedication to your opinions.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43154957
So yeah, you really didn't read all the things.
I missed one comment out of hundreds, I'm only human sadly
I like FA, it doesn't mean I have to tolerate a safety risk. :V
Now I don't know about you but I don't feel comfortable knowing that Neer decided to add a person whom has a history of security exploitation and general power abuse on multiple occasions.
I think people have a right to be concerned about such people being added to staff.
They talk about transparency and they try to sneak something like this under our noses, I'd hardly call that transparency.
People are concerned over their personal information being released since Zidonuke has a history of dumping traffic of personal communication and rightly so.
There's just been a slew of bad choices on the side of the administration involving those who have a history of criminal behavior or drama, this isn't good from a PR aspect of FA.
Stop harrassing people with this, you are not doing the right thing by doing this, it is not fair on anyone and if you get banned you need to stay banned, you are publically harassing
I don't know how anyone could deny it.
As opposed to the other side of the story which is, oh yeah! He's been an admin for a year..........bummer, kinda blows-up your "imminent threat" tone doesn't it?
The answer is no: This too will pass and people will go on as if nothing happened. Some will leave, some will end up coming back once they realise how much smaller Weasyl is. Truth be told the majority of the site doesn't get involved in site drama and thus will be more or less inclined to stay.
The link has already been posted several times in this thread (and still is in the thread) without needing some short-sighted individual spamming it to every response.
Basically, this new admin you are hiring seems to have an alternate account here, and even worse, some other owners of sites seem to have concerns about security and exploits made by him.
Now... I didn't know about the other admin and his sexual scandals, and I don't know this one and his "tendencies" with coding and hacking (if this last is true)... I've read that he knows you (Dragoneer) and that he's neighbor next door... Is that true? Do you really know him? Is really true that you are hiring someone that have been involved in informatic scandals and site hijaking?
Taking by myself, I'm woried about this last concern more than the last scandals, because we are talking about user data, site vulnerabilities and valuable data that is stored in this website, and we need someone trustable to maintain this going properly... again, I don't know him, Im just worried about this...
So... what about clarifying this situation for all of us? I don't know, telling us all the story... Something to give us some peace, I know this may sound silly, but nowadays, security is a concern, more if you get this kind of news in your notifications XD...
Thanks in advance for the answer.
No one here is doing this to make themselves feel better, it's out of concern for the community.
Well, by now, I've changed my password just in case... I'm tempted to disable my account until this is sorted out, Now I'M WORRIED!
[img]http://d.facdn.net/art/darkshadow77.....time.jpg[/img]
No answer from Dragoneer or confirmations, and we have this?
Please, I beg this staff to stop a little and clarify the situation before going on, this feels totally wrong!
Oh well... they say the guy have been here for around a year or so, under the blankets, but here... maybe this is just a lot of paranoia... at least I hope so...
Planned Hacking: Fri, Nov 21 @ 2AM EST/7AM GMT. StarryKitten is planning a database leak to improve site performance for uploads, notifications, and steal all of your lucky charms. Est. downtime Indefinitely.
GI Joe: Remember kids knowing is half the battle!
My Lucky charms!
"The defendant only attacked two guards since being arrested, and hasn't assaulted anybody in two weeks. This court cannot live in the past and try to punish somebody for something they did so long ago. The prosecution's argument that he has shown a three year pattern of violence is petty and frivolous. If the defendant assaults somebody else later on, we'll deal with it then. Case dismissed."
You know there's a reason we have Statute of Limitations and Double Jeopardy laws, to prevent people being tried for the same crimes more than once.
1) A job in real life you don't want to lose
2) Family that would kill (probably not literally) you if you lost your job
3) A significant other that would do the above, probably literally
That seems like effective personal security, now lets focus on physical:
1) VCS - Limits access to the main site
2) Public logs - Make them uneditable/deletable (YES THAT IS POSSIBLE, SHUT UP.) and you have proof
3) FUCKING BACKUPS - If you don't make regular backups, you're a moron.
4) Require REVIEWS - Review ALL THE FUCKING CODE every time someone makes a change.
As for public logs, for the most case it's a viable option and knowing how a lot of companies handle it, you can do it very easily so that they physically cannot be altered - If it works for open-source projects, why can't it work here?
Assuming that decisions here have anything to do with common sense or the welfare of the site is no longer reasonable. It hasn't been reasonable for years.
Lololol. What a bunch of butthurt fascists.
in 3...2...1...
I can post gifs too.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-23-2013/Cg3L5H.gif Ooh kill em!
T-H-E bag of rice.
How i said, to create a drama is not a good opinion, how oneandonly said already, a better opinion could be to give another person a try with lower risk, the opinion sounds kinda nicer to me than creating a drama and tell bullshit around.
if people already hates the admin THAT much like you compair him with a serial killer, why dont we give him a white mask and a knife and let him run around like that?
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/ph.....-1280-1024.jpg
really if the admin already had such a bad image, people should give MORE ideas around than make drama or call bullshitting parols around.
But unfortunately, that didn't happen.
*Claps* great job, everyone!
But, in the case of his backstory, I would like to know if this is a good choice, I mean, you seem to know this guy, and being serious enough with this concern, can you at least enlighten us with the whole story to see what is truth and what not? You have to understand, peope is freaked out because we know that a "known hacker" is about to take control over the database (dramatic choice of words, I know, but is how it feels).
Please, if you know him, and you now everything about this, you should share to the community, so we can evaluate with calm, people is scared, and when scared, we tend to do or say wrong things, clarifying can set this for the good.
First, this really sounds scary, the guy can even seel our souls if he can. By the other hand, there might be a discrepancy, the list you are showing are the guys that are adding him as a buddy (watching StarryKitten), not the ones he's adding so far (unless he deleted that somehow).
Other than that, I see consistency in this, and unless someone can prove that, either, this StarryKitten is not the same guy (poor probabilities if he said he's the same guy) or that this was just teen rants or something and that he will not do it again (Dreaming is free)... Otherwise, we have a potential problem here, our data is in his hands, and that's the part I'm most concerned. Lot's of artists sell their work here... what if it is stolen?
This realley needs urgent attention and a good clarification of things, this is really scary, and more if you count all the things he can do over the site...
Thanks for the info ;)
All of my this.
We don't have a full story as to what happened. We are jumping to conclusions over parts of his past that we have heard about. Dragoneer does actually know this guy personally. There has to be more to it than what we have heard. I think we should hear the full story before considering Dragoneer and this new admin are pieces of shit or not.
Social Media sites in general.
You have SoFurry.
You have Weasyl.
You have Inkbunny.
You have DeviantArt.
You have Twitter.
You have LiveJournal.
You have Facebook.
You have Reddit.
You have Tumblr.
You have A BUNCH of sites at your disposal and you must only depend on one site for commissions? I really don't get the logic here. Might be just me misunderstanding it but I just don't get it.
I keep my post count up on Weasyl/Deviantart. And I only have 100 watchers on Weasyl and 350 on deviantart.
I have 1k here.
Deviantart prices are DRASCTIALLY lower for artist then on furaffinity. My average commission prices on DA would have to be 10-30$ while on FA I can charge 40-80$.
Weasyl is in it's infancy and It's harder to attract a following in what is basically a ghost town.
Facebook/twitter? They aren't art sites, And wouldn't really work well for commissions. Tumblr maybe, but they aren't very supportive of people getting a follow unless you post Fanart. (( By the way, we ARE talking about Furries here. It's really hard to get a following on tumblr if you are a realtive unknown.)) and as stated, SoFurry and Inkbunny do not have the same amount of members as FA. So you'd be taking a pay cut.
Most people need FA because of the community.
This is where most people do their business.
And we're not "bitching and moaning" about Dragoneer.
Most of the people are concerned for their personal information/privacy (Zidonuke) and most people are concerned over that $25,000 that went missing.
We're not doing it for ourselves, we're doing it to protect the community.
Also, you're bitching and moaning about us bitching and moaning.
Hypocritical, much?
You commented.
You explained your argument.
Added a sassy remark.
Yeah, sounds like bitching and moaning to me.
i guess we JUST get it, you just look like one of this "Jehovah's Witness" guys on the doors and bug people to join.
Thanks for setting me straight!
:P
"I believe he is that good"
Nice.
This site is destroying itself bad enough idk why people DDoS'd it before.
If I try you name me "no research done" which you really have no right to claim. I have read up both sides, I have more of a right than you do to contribute. I am simply tired of the anti-FA users thinking they are allowed to bully all and everyone, you are only doing this the wrong way and not allowing things to be made clear due to assumptions and propaganda. People need to stop, take a breath and let things be said from both sides, not jsut the one single side, that is all I am trying to point out in this needless drama that happens every single time someone joins the staff
And I am blocking the ones who keep harrassing me as well, I will block any person making nasty remarks in reply to me, I am tired of them
Instead of calling them drama/witch-hunters, you could have explained how you felt.
I understand it can be frustrating, but forcing something down people's throats isn't the way to go.
That's all I have to say.
How am I forcing my viewpoint on people when it is people spammed and spread around so much? That is forcing people to that viewpoint, my own was expressing my own personal annoyance, that is not forcing it on anyone and never will be
What people are doing here IS forcing it
Be the better person! c: That's what I always say.
I'm sure if you try again in a calmer manner with no insults, then people will calmly reply with their counterargument.
Starting your problem with an insult will just make the rest of the argument less serious.
For some reason they have to resort to these childish accusations to make sure I am the "badguy", that is more annoying in my opinion than what is going on
I recommend just staying out of it and watching it from the clouds.
The amount of spam and hate being spewed in these comments is just too much to handle.
I'm neutral on the whole thing. I only comment to help inform (but not spam!)
Which is why I hoped blocking would work, but they are wound up and aggressive to all against their opinion right now
so I am going to stop as well and just watch from now on, I will do as you recommend, for my own sanity right now
We are simply trying to inform people.
Also how are we spreading lies? Most of these screenshots etc come from the admin in question himself!
Not everyone is also anti-FA like you claim. Some of us like FA, and some of us dont. But that's not the issue at heart
But there isn't any propaganda, lies or bullying going on here. You need to step back and stop acting like a SJW pretending you're the only one who is right in the conversation. This isn't #GamerGate, this is a serious conversation where users ARE leaving FA due to Zidonuke's history and concerns over his current role on the FurAffinity team.
My apologies, Maxx
It would be nice if you brought up counter-evidence to stop the 'lies' that people are 'spreading', but you seem to find calling people idiots more efficient then blocking them so you get the 'last word'.
And I have not done as you claim without even knowing me. I don't know you, you do not know me, don't assume what I feel since I have no right to assume the same about you. People are being stupid, meaning that person I had meant to reply to, if you had taken the time to actually read what I said and not assumed I am in the wrong. I blocked people to stop their idiocy, not because I do not wish to see both sides to this. I have tried to be a middleman, it is not possible when people jump down your throat and assume things like you have done. I find it quite rude and impolite to have my person belittled by people who do not know me
I don't have anything against Zidonuke himself, but I'm mighty worry to see the person that, well, you can see for yourself if you look up that info on your own, working on the same position as in those places, right here.
Also, I hardly see any "anti-fa" people here, I love FA myself, and so did a lot of the people here who aren't exactly loving the site anymore, but neither ant-fa either. I found this site to be one of the most wonderful communities I could find, made really good friends here, but I can't just stay mute while I see something like this happen.
Also, I don't see only 1 side talking here, I saw multiple people talking on both sides, more on one than the other, but still of both sides.
I too am worried about the future of the site, people are assuming things about me without knowing me or even taking the time to find out who I am, so that is what made me more than angry last night. People are jumping to huge and overblown conclusions, as always with the drama over FA and it's staff, and that many do not give both sides a chance to breathe and mainly shove one side on us all by force is what annoyed me more than anything. I have blocked people to try prevent them going onto my User page to abuse me there, for little reason other than my own opinion, but now I wish I had kept my opinion to myself because of the abuse it has brought upon me
I'm getting tired of the staff promising things and then just shitting all over its users and then ignoring any valid complaints that they have.
THESE. AREN'T. LIES.
THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
IF YOU'VE DONE THE RESEARCH THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THESE. AREN'T. LIES.
You can say whatever you want, as long as you have proof to back it up. Saying that these are lies after we've literally linked to the sites that say that said person has done this is just plain ignorant. Wow. Just wow.
If there's anything this proves to anybody who thinks their notes are 'safe and secure' (lol) on here are silly.
You go ahead and block, it won't stop me from replying to you via last comment.
Passive aggressive behavior is very cowardice behavior to ignore and block conversation as to what you don't believe. So much for that "I'm being bullied! I can dish it out but can't take it!! waaaaaaaaahhh!!!"
One opinion from my side, also
Some people are recommending personally contacting Dragoneer and explaining how they feel
Those count as giving out ideas.
And yes, I would love some pizza.
Will you contact dragoneer self and say him you feel bad about?
Which idea do you have?
and here, some pizza :3 *gives ya a pizza*
*noms*
I have back-up sites I can go to if any problems are caused, but I had those before Zido was announced as an admin.
So -shrugs- I guess it's up to other people.
-noms on pizza-
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http://gifsec.com/wp-content/upload.....Evil-Laugh.gif
I dont know about a lot of other folks here though. Most of them have made it clear they are staying till the ship sinks. By then all of last resort lifeboats will have been used. (I've noticed I really enjoy nautical puns/jokes as of late)
I really can understand why, a lot of people have built everything they have from the ground up here. Friends, customers, submissions, and fame. Its typically hard for people to let it go, when theyve worked so hard to get where they are now. The sad part is they're stuck in between a rock (Neer) and a hard place. It is a shame but only they can stand up and say "No fucking more!" and move to save their assets.
Oreofen (dunno why I am just auto blocked when I did nothing but try to explain to you an error, but whatever. I still hold no ill will. I tried to post this bit to you and it said I was blocked. :T )
Well I hope you can build up as many memories elsewhere as you did here. I'm gonna start moving my things over elsewhere myself~
Ooooonly thing I wish is that more people used Weasyl and the collections function so I can have my commissioned stuff on my page like here. T.T
You do realize I only blocked you because you had done the same to me.
(If this goes through, I'll assume that you have taken it off) Which I just checked now and is not. Now you know why.
I just wanted to say I am so so soooo sorry for blocking you. I was trying to block someone else and blocked you instead (I totally thought I remembered the guy's named, remembered yours, typed yours in, and went about commenting elsewhere. I didn't even realize it till just now).
I unblocked you on my main account though. And again if you don't want me bothering you for any reason at all please please let me know and I will not contact you further. I just wanted to let you know of the mistake as I had no idea. I'm sorry you also had to reply to someone else to get ahold of me.
HEEEERP DEEEEEERP.
Can we finally get an Elephant species listing for uploads? Believe it or not, we DO exist, y'know.
That's all from me. I'll go back to my peanut eating now.
Move along.
I want this to be heard, not have it get clouded behind "oh this person is just a troll" or "I'm not gonna read it simply because you keep posting it a million times"
You actually helped me. Someone wondered what I was talking about and I couldn't find the link to the clean and compiled list and then I came and clicked yours like "Oh. There it is." lol
It's Shia LaBeouf
But I appreciate the willingness to pass on information
Ive been tweeting at him to no avail
You could always open a Google Document and invite the people who ask to join.
You can set permissions on the document, so if things get out of hand, you can make it so they can only view.
The fuck, dude? The fuck?
Sincerely,
FA Users
i could be wrong, though, it wouldn't surprise me.
I died a little bit from laughing.
Shame on Dragoneer, too, for similar reasons.
Okay... I'm not hosting a large site like this, but I do know how trivial it is to duplicate a database and have a staging subdomain such as "staging-somerandomcode.furaffinity.net" for all changes to be made and tested. Then to freeze the uploads to merge from the old to the new and then provide everyone direct access to the new state.
This doesn't need downtime, at most; a few minutes of frozen uploads.
Downtimes for 6-8 hours should be only for things like network/server maintenance when there is no redundant alternative... Not to mention that cloudflare could provide cached copy of the whole site.
More to the point that I made; staging environment should function without affecting the production site and any changes should be tested and the production database changes replayed over the updated code. With at most, a short period of time where submissions are frozen.
It's unprofessional to edit production environment live ... Or as they might have already been editing offline; even database updates shouldn't take this long....
and look who commented on it hahahhahahah
Fighting fire with fire doesn't always work in every situation.
Here's a post detailing the illegal activities, websites hacked and general exploitation of other people by the new mod.
http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme....._is_important/
If only competent people who aren't KNOWN CRIMINAL HACKERS and LIARS would actually run this site. It might not need a donation box to open right before an attack happens, so very coincidentally.
Cause it's all coincidence. Yep.
And now rainbows are coming out of my fingers like magic. Yep.
Totally legit.
Why don't you file a TT about me first, then do something about it. I'm pretty sure a mod filed TT would take 1 and a half years to get to as well.
I can get a little too passionate.
Also, I sent you a PM.
I say we write a petition requesting that this site becomes a democracy where we vote for a council of high ranking furs that would make good, representative decisions for the site.
Democracy works, this shit doesn't.
And vice versa.
AGNPH is also nice. Maybe even a bit better than Inkbunny. They're rather quick to welcome newcomers, despite their (relative) size, which makes for a very pleasant experience. Seems as if there's a welcome party that's been waiting just for you.
SoFurry has a community. Yes. It has one. That's about all I can say about it. They're not terribly active, they're pretty reserved, and while they're not outright exclusionary, they don't seem very interested in more than wallflowering. The only time they get vocal is when there's something (or someone) they don't like. It's like a lazier, more reserved FA community.
Weasyl? Kinda doesn't. There's just a bunch of little 'islands' of people. Noone's really connected at all, noone agrees on anything, and everyone just seems content to be alone. It's kinda creepy.
F-List has the same problem. TONS of people, but they never get together for anything. Noone just /talks/. 1.3 million accounts or some insane statistic like that (can't be arsed to look it up currently), over 8,000 in the chat as I speak, and... ... ... ..nothing. There's more conversation on my minecraft server right now than the top 3 sized F-List rooms combined.
do you guys just... make a list of people to add to your team and throw a dart at it?
cause personally I don't feel so great about having someone with a history of hacking behind all this.
I'm all for second chances... but I'm also all for having my internet privacy kept, thank you.
shoot, I thought the drama with Zaush was bad. But this "new" person on the "team" can affect me directly. This time it isn't just drama... it could really affect hundreds of users here
And if you had any patience to read any of the comments, you would understand why so many people are frightened, angry, and want answers.
What we are most concerned is this topic in particular is this, and how Dragoneer is setting all our data in hand of someone that even took down a website entirely... Not that he doesn't deserve a second chance, but think a bit about it... would you really let your data to be administrated by someone with such background, with no guarantee? This is really risky...
Dunno, maybe Im misjudging, but this is critical, and there are no reasonable answers other than "It's my friend, he will do"
This smells bad... even the name is different (@Dragoneer is named NEER.EXE... why?)
I just hope this guy didn't hack that account to fool us, and making us think Dragonner trusts him...
And yes, Dragoneer is all about promising transparency and putting up brick walls when that transparency could possibly embarass him. (He’s like the CIA and other law enforcement agencies that way.)
He will never give a straight answer on this subject. So don't hold your breath expecting one.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6278973/
http://noelthechristmascat.devianta.....ting-495329728
With Starrykitten/Zidonuke/Crashdoom/whateverthefuckelsenameheusesbecauseeveryonedistrustshim being brought on the team apparently a year ago in secret, how long have they had access to the servers/information? I imagine since they're a coder they've had it for a while but how long ago exactly? Further, has there been anyone holding their 'leash' so to speak to make sure they can't do anything shady?
I have no doubt that Dragoneer trusts them because they're neighbors but I do not have that same confidence and I would like to know there was a qualified coder watching over Zido's back to make sure they aren't fucking with anything or saving any information that they shouldn't have access to in the first place.
Show at least some transparency here, what has Zido worked on, how long have they had access, and who has been watching them to make sure there are no repeats?
It's not April. It also isn't a great PR move.
The only thing we know for sure about him at this moment is what he has done in the past. You have every right to be angry at him for lying and you have every right to be distrustful about what he says. You must also remember, though, that Dragoneer is much more at fault than he is. Zidonuke is a bucket full of "probably will," Dragoneer is years and years of "certainly has" when it comes to egregious fuck ups. Dragoneer is the one who also knew he was a secret mod for a year, Dragoneer is the one giving him access to backups, Dragoneer is the one who lied about Jake the server.
Remember, you have the right to be angry. You just need to make sure it is pointed in the right direction. Zidonuke is a sin, not the sinner.
I'm curious as to what findings you have under your sleeve, Scil.
And I agree. Let's not forget that $25,000 that seemed to have disappeared out of thin air when we were promised a sub-site, transparency, etc.
It's possible that Zidonuke is actually trying to redeem himself, I got no idea if he is or not, I want to believe he is but I have nothing more than uncertainty, but you are right that we should have the bigger problem with Neer and not him.
This site is yours to do with as you wish, and I very much appreciate what you do to keep it around. However, it is nothing without its users. No matter how much you or I believe in Zidonuke's intentions, hiring somebody with such a history - and then conspiring to conceal his identity - not only flies in the face of your obligation to keep our data safe, but shows blatant disrespect towards us.
I believe in second chances, and I think it's excellent that you want to give Zidonuke one. But gambling with the security of the site and its users is not the way to do that. Zidonuke has earned his bad reputation through his own actions. I do hope that one day he can be free of it, but until then we have every right to be wary of him, and forcing him onto us - not only without our consent but without our knowledge - does not restore his reputation; rather it tarnishes yours and it tarnishes FurAffinity's.
I love this site. I haven't yet moved to another, and I believe in the good will of the administration, if not all of its decisions. Please, Dragoneer, take on board what your users are saying. Your steadfast support for your friends is truly admirable, but nepotism is not. Please take a more professional approach and do what is best for the site.
Its like saying don't like strawberry icecream and banning people who also eat chocolate ice cream. *Okay I think I will never learn to understand people* //That is why I call myself a rabbit//.
This person had a year to compensate/mess with accounts, passwords and other related things. None of you people were aware of it. I don't follow every single person here, but I don't recall ANYONE from the people I watch saying something happened with their accounts or passwords or anything else. Let's face it, if shit were to happen, it'd happen while the person was still "Hidden" :|
Unless they get a kick from being public about all that. In which case kudos to them for having the stones to behaving like that.
I'll go back to drawing mediocre porn and enjoying life |3
For one, you wouldn't notice if someone were spying on you, at least, that's the point of it. Also he didn't really start making it noticeable until they found out and removed him, but by then it was too late since he already had backdoors in the server.
But hey, you have a cause, fight for it! I'll happily just draw porn <3
You act like you're in an impervious bubble on the internet. Well, ya not. Dunno about you, didn't bother looking at your page, but I'm not big important or popular. Someone would have to really have nothing better to do to come to some low grade artist and snoop around youtube links and occasional trades\requests\commissions.
I'd say you should sit down on some nice patch of grass, sip some tea and enjoy life, you know, not the internet life, but life life :3 Have a decent day~
Person was here "hidden" for a year. How many "hissy fits" happened? How many accounts were compromised? How many people lost their paypal money DUE TO ACTIONS OF THIS WEBSITE? If someone goes around giving their paypal or any other service login and password, it should be fitting punishment for them if they lose it. But I guess that little bit of foresight and intelligence is too much? They teach it in elementary school. Safe passwords, preferably different for other sites. If some commissioner wants an "anonymous" commission, they have the ability to email someone too, off-site, non? Unless, again, I'm expecting some university-level reading ability. "Personal information", I have the same stance there. If someone's that gullible to share it, they deserve to be exploited. It's a dog eat dog world. If FA goes down, nothing's gonna change. People will find a replacement. and those that "Make a living off of art" might actually try their hand at getting a normal job.
But I guess I might be demanding too much in terms of effort and intelligence... Oh well, have a decent day :)
For what it's worth, I've said above that I believe in his good intentions, and I hope he can earn back the trust of the community one day. But I don't think any website owner in his right mind appoint someone with such a history, and that to do so is disdainful of one's users.
In this day and age, website security is extremely important. Just because you and I don't have anything particularly sensitive to hide on this site doesn't mean that others don't. Quite apart from passwords or account information for other websites, what about people that have had private conversations and just don't want that information shared? Yes, people really should be careful with what they say or put on any site, but that doesn't mean the admin gets away with fostering an unsafe and insecure website. People have the right to assume that reasonable measures are being taken to protect their information in "private" areas of a website, and that the admin isn't going to take actions that are in direct contradiction to that, as well as the wellbeing of the site itself.
Being happy and laid back is great, but sometimes there are things worth criticising and complaining about. And that is what leads to change. To respond to valid criticism by basically saying "You're being a stick in the mud; why can't you be happy like me?" doesn't come across as helpful and calming as you might think, it instead seems very dismissive.
The reality is that the normal user is bombarded with content and such personalized sprawling feeds are what is necessary to deciminate or break down this information.
Second priority: Social Media functionality and especially organization. The administrators should consider this website the same as say Facebook and twitter for the furry fandom and plan the architecture as such. If the goal is to always be art gallery CMS related, then this structure of a recent content feed on the front page is handy dandy but is not a great way for end-users to see what content wanted. However, the way it compares with Deviantart puts the project on a greater scale. The problem is that, either one goes the way of Tumblr and all content becomes one single scrolling feed, personalized, and individual, or the content needs more specific single feed organization.
Thus, a scrolling feed for certain sets of art content would be a unique undertaking. Such as, if I had artists that only post visual art, then I have a personal visual art feed when I login. However, I can click on a link, persay, that switches the feed to a stories, or music.
If not then, I would suggest doing some different cutting edge work that somehow meets the ability of the average user to cogniziently sample the level and degree of content wanted.
But we all know that Dragoneer wont do so and claim some BS excuse to why he cant
As far as hiring you former Next door neigbhor, who is a known hacker: That was the dumbest idea ever and it seriouly puts this site in harns way,then you didnt even tell us from the beginning who he was,making him a secret mod for a year
A YEAR
do you know how much data he could collect in a year?
Not only has dragoneer put FA in Danger but he put everyone who ever given out personal infomation such as a paypal Email in jeporary
No wonder FA is sinking,Piss poor mangement skills
Vote here http://goo.gl/TxSdfu
You can resubmit your answers.
I'm assuming that people are spamming the poll. :/
Fact: Dragoneer owns FurAffinity and will not part with it. Thus he will hardly care what you think.
The average site user would not vote because they largely don't get involved in these matters - for them, the site works most the time, they get access to their art and they are happy. But such would not be reflected in a poll.
You won't get him to back flip on the inclusion of Zidonuke. But you might get him to offer concessions as to what access, monitoring or protections will be in place.
"THE POLL SAYS PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH DRAGONEER NOW STFU!"
Obviously, people weren't going to move on and "STFU" as you so well put it. Obviously, someone with technical knowledge thought it would be funny to dick with the results of said polls.
[Forewarning: I'm going to be disabling my account later in the day, so there's a CHANCE that I wouldn't be able to respond to replies or anything if you post them after I disable my account, as I don't plan on coming back for quite a long time/until shit gets fixed here. But I'll share my opinion regardless, after spending literal hours reading these comments, going to bed, and finishing reading them all in the morning. Something needs to be said.]What FurAffinity needs is a completely new staff. No Dragoneer, no Zidonuke, no whoeverthefuckelseiskeepingthingsfromhappening, no-one who is currently here. It's clear that Neer is incapable of making a good decision when it comes to hiring people, and there are a fuckton of signs signs that point to him scamming the community for money. Not to mention, with the revelation of StarryKitty/Zidonuke working behind the curtain on the coding, there's obviously some extremely high levels of tension building up, with myself included [hence why I'm disabling my account later]. Therefore, as a community, we must take responsibility into our own hands and actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. Spamming various individuals, arguing over what's a fact and what's an opinion, and blocking people won't help solve the problem. We must find a way to work together on this. Everybody -- and I mean everybody -- must be informed of the corruption within the staff at the moment.
Let's think about something here for a moment. How do governments and politics change when the people know of corruption? Riots, protests, revolutions in general. This requires a group effort and not just a bunch of keyboard warriors shooting insults back and forth at each other. Now, the likelihood of a whole website full of people finding a way to come together to actually protest at Dragoneer's house is EXTREMELY unlikely and I won't suggest that, but there IS a way we can all come together and form something against Neer, and that's a petition.
Now look at this little baby right here. --> http://www.change.org/petition
Unless somebody's already started one of these and it just hasn't picked up off the ground yet, I HIGHLY recommend that someone [who has more traffic on their profile than mine and is better with words/compiling evidence] to start working on building up a petition in order to get Neer and his cronies off of the site. Then maybe someone else who KNOWS what they're doing, and knows how to run a website and get shit done, can be given control of the website. Whether they're elected by the people of the website or step up on their own, I don't know, but it's clear that the website needs a dramatic change in management.
When the petition is made it's viable that you slap evidence, evidence, evidence into it. The more we have going against Neer and his dumbfuck decisions, the better. And when the petition is signed by people, emphasize your desire for change and be mature adults about it. If anything, we need to show Neer that we're not fucking around with this shit anymore and we aren't going to tolerate his incompetence.
I'll post this one more time. http://www.change.org/petition . USE THE TOOLS WE HAVE TO OUR ADVANTAGE.
The actual solution is already here, and has been for a while; alternative art sites. The best way to show the staff on FA that us users are seriously fed up is to leave for greener pastures, to find a new site that is run by people who actually get things done. I'd suggest Inkbunny or Weasyl, as they seem to be the best put together sites out of what's currently out there, and I imagine in the wake of these new developments there will be yet another flood of users to both of them.
It's basically FA, but with better administration.
And second I'm not sure, so don't quote me, but recently surfing through some patreons out of boredom I saw one where they had gotten flagged or taken down or warned or something like that because what they were offering was of an adult nature and they had to provide something G rated. So I haven't directly gone back and read the TOS or anything, but based on that it sounds like it's not allowed.
Also, i'm totally A-OK with cub stuff, even extreme. It's just art, and only the insane can't tell the difference. If it's good enough for the supreme court, psychologists/psychiatrists, and ISPs, it's good enough for me.
Eeexcept when it's not cub. When they switch to human, I suddenly have a fucking problem. I try not to say anything publicly because fuck drama but... god damn, there really is such a thing as going too far. And the whole Lilo porn thing really, reaaally fucking did it for me. I was extatic when Inkbunny banned it. It meant I could actually stand to use the site again! And since then, i'm their biggest supporter. They have the best staff, the easiest rules, the best hardware, the best code, the best bandwidth, the best financial backing, the best way of dealing with drama, and the best layout and script and API i've ever fucking seen in any art site save a furry one! There was just that one little.. thing. And they 'fixed' it.
But yeah.
Ew. Ew. Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew.
But yeah i think that's against their TOS.
- You're unable to post anything adult to patreon, this is true.
But there absolutely nothing that says you can't post censored content/teasers to be displayed and then manually send the adult content via private messages, which are not modded.
Also can be liked on facebook!
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?.....b03ec923299c35
And ONLY fucked up terribly the game Pokemon World Online http://pwo-wiki.info/index.php?titl.....n_World_Online ONLY after having a hissy fit and deciding to try to delete all of the games data! http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/.....Untitled-1.png
No one here cares if what he did isn't hacking by the actual definition. What matters is that in all those cases he had access and worked on the code, and then decided to fuck it all up intentionally.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43197226
and
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43195412
-- in addition to the people who have him on watch and watched back (Zinoduke among them), on his account which has been open since 2009 with only 240 pageviews (lurker account) one is lead to believe...
*drum rolls*
That he has been rigging the polls and trying to make a point.
The point is made, but the way he has conducted himself has been a waste of an opportunity to show a more balanced temper. Then again, what person who "hacks" an online poll to make a point would be of a level-headed temperament to begin with?.
You clearly have the wrong person.
If you're seriously wanting to get an accurate summation of people's feelings about this, why don't you use the comments in this journal as data rather than some easily vote-stacked poll?
IE: Grab a spreadsheet. Go through the comments and figure out which users have expressed negative, positive or indifferent views to this journal - From there, make up a pie chart and distribute the broken down list of users. Such would not easily be manipulated.
Keeping in mind that my spreadsheet idea was simply an alternative to linking a poll within this journal (as seen by other users above), which has been demonstrated on multiple occasions to be easily manipulated by anyone with basic networking, HTTP protocol and CURL knowledge.
Unless of course you think results such as http://www.poll-maker.com/results17.....c64aDc-7#tab-2 are truly reflective of what the community thinks.
You make some good points about the poll system, then start acting all "oh look everybody look at how this doesn't work" since you frikking rigged it, but admit to it later on. Pretend it is to prove your valid point of the only people voting there are the ones that care about this issue and most likely disagree with Dragoneer in a huge majority, except that rigging that poll only proves how easy to fuck up the results of it is...
I'm sorry but if you have been so freaking hypocritical, lying, changing your "I'm impartial" to "okay not really", "okay i'm buds with Zidonuke"...
How the hell you expect anyone to take your words to have any value at this point? For me, you just are here to fuck things up. But if that's not the case, why the heck are you doing all this shit?
Firstly, no one commenting here is impartial. Not even you or me. Everyone here has biases and I have my own although they remain somewhat unclear at this point in time - unlike the, "I think Dragoneer is an idiot" crowd whose biases are astoundingly clear, rightly or wrongly. However, what I have previously indicated is that I do not have a stake in the success or failure of this particular website - as is evident by my lack of submissions or apparent long-term use of it. Previously I've said I'm commenting here for shits and giggles, I guess a more accurate summation would be that I am commenting here for the love of debate and to contrast the fallacies which both sides are perpetuating - some without even knowing it. I am an INTJ type. A typical INTJ is very good at assuming argumentative positions that they don't actually support, rather convincingly, for no other reason than the love of intellectual debate.
Have a look at what I've been saying throughout this Journal. I've remarked that I don't agree with many of Dragoneer's decisions, I've left the door open to the possibility of Dragoneer being a benevolent idiot, but then I'll say that I don't think it's particularly helpful to go around calling him an idiot even if he was which seems somewhat contradictory to the previous negative sentiments now doesn't it? That's because I'm not genuinely for or against Dragoneer - I'm simply here to put an outside perspective forward and to see what people think.
I’ve done the same well-considered dance with Zidonuke. I’ve said that he has had plenty of opportunity to do wrong but hasn’t; I’ve pointed out that Hexxy (The founder of F-List) seems to believe he has good intent and yet I still say it would be worth looking into what access he has and what monitoring is in place. And not just that but have gone even further so as to encourage users of this site to make enquiries to that end instead of assuming or chanting “Dragoneer is an idiot” endlessly. So no, out of everyone here I believe I'm making a considerable amount of effort to remain open to all sides of this discussion in a manner which is mostly constructive. Am I always helpful or polite in my remarks? No. It can be difficult at times to remain civil in these types of discussions but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Everyone is guilty of this from time to time, even you have made the occasional assumptive ad hominem attack such as “Considering he apparently is best friends for evuh, or at least just friends, to a new admin, yeah...” – Which isn't constructive in the slightest.
Now, in regards to the fact that I am watching Zidonuke and that he is watching me: I have, through sheer dumb luck more so than anything, had many interactions with him over a extended period of time. I first came to be aware of him a user of F-List when he, unfortunately, made the mind-numbing decision of taking his frustrations out on the site. From there, it is sort of hard to be an active Internet user and not interact with him on a regular basis. He obviously plays Minecraft and is known for mods there and a customised client, I run Minecraft servers amongst other things. He was a was a contributor with bug-reports in Second life and I played Second Life. He was the maintainer of the Wikipedia Huggle project and I was a user of that tool during my time as a volunteer editor and toolserver project contributor there. So yes, I know him better than most. Do I agree with everything he does? Absolutely not. He’s made some monumentally dick-headed decisions in his lifetime and not even I could craft an argument that would whisk away those. Am I “in his pocket”? No. He and I have incandescent disagreements from time to time and outside of that it isn’t like we talk on a daily basis. He has his life, I have mine. But with that being said, what astounds me the most is that benighted individuals like Scillence genuinely believe that my prior exposure to Zidonuke can in any way invalidate any well-reasoned logic which might be contained in some arguments I’ve put forward. To say that, “You’re friends with X hence your points of view are worthless!” is equivalent of saying, “You’re married to an African American woman, therefore you don’t get the right to vote.” – It is a disgraceful proposition only of which the most ignorant of degenerates would propose – And I personally had I higher opinion of Scillence, though it seems I may have been mistaken on this account.
Lastly, please feel to quote any statement of mine where I have lied in a manner which was intended deceive - As I genuinely believe I have portrayed any misleading statements that were remotely believable in the first place.
I never implied I was impartial, obviously we all have our biases, some are bigger and more blinding to rationale than others. However, I found it odd that you entered here and by the most part, talked as if you did not know Zidonuke. You never said you did earlier, neither that you didn't, but what I found odd is how often, on your rather well done seeing both sides of the coin reasoning and arguments you made, you many times explained the possibilities and what you, and others,did or didn't know about the people involved and such but never actually said anything about knowing Zidonuke.
"Well actually again you're not in a position to say whether or not it is foolish on the grounds that it is possible to have people contributing to a project and have them not be in a position to fuck things up. We don't know what level of access Zidonuke has or what precautions / guarantees were taken. Hence you can't say the decision was foolish given the absence of vital information
"
"Yes. Again, I accept Dragoneer make mistakes - I've ridiculed him for quite a few. But you're using Dragoneer's prior poor decision making as evidence that Zidonuke will, without any glimmer of doubt, be anything less than a positive contribution to the site and I don't think that's necessarily fair to Zidonuke (please hold the obligatory laugh at that remark until the end)."
For most people seeing that. Someone entering a conversation and talking almost exclusively in the manner that you have, it seemed that you were mostly as a "might not know much of either but enjoy pointing the possibilities and trying to keep a line of reasoning that doesn't lean much into either way", because there are many people that do such things for enjoyment, and I don't mean going around flinging shit. On those everyone still has biases, but it wasn't a very clear bias as to a side as what it started becoming more noticeable later on.
"Obviously Dragoneer knows Zidonuke personally and that in my view makes all the difference. The projects where Zidonuke engaged in questionable behavior were ones where he didn't personally know anyone within the project. It's easy to make rash decisions against people you've never met (See some of the comments in this thread for example) but it's more difficult if you know them in real life. "
There are more where you ask to be lighter on the part of Zidonuke. Specially since you make your argument that Zinoduke could have made much damage or that he didn't just work to fuck things, but never actually address what people that didn't check as in depth have that, he did fuck up sides only when he fed up with em (or was found out to be doing things he shouldn't be doing) to the point that, in the subject of lying...
"Yeah....Leading question. Also, Zidonuke is not a hacker. His behaviors have previously included abusing project privileges and releasing a malicious build of Bukkit. Neither of these are forms of hacking."
"Your poll seems to imply that people love Dragoneer. Will you shutup now?"
The first one isn't exactly a lie, but basing your argument on "it's technically not hacking" doesn't do much for pretty much anyone that doesn't know exactly when something is hacking (also adding back doors that he could later use to fuck up the place in case things went to hell, for many people that comes awfully close enough), it's like calling worms, troyans, and adware viruses, yeah they aren't viruses, but even most people, including myself, just group em as "viruses" to simplify, since it's easier to say "i'm checking my pc for malware" and to many people that don't know the difference, they will most likely understand the gist of it without needing to ask anything. He did add backdoors to access the sites he worked on in case something went to shit for him to send the site to shit himself.
And the second part, that actually falls completely into dishonesty, yeah, the idea of the poll was going to fail. But not only you sabotaged it, but didn't seem to have any intent on disclosing that, so you went on acting as if you had nothing to do with it until someone basically guessed it.
You seem to have a bias to help to some degree Zidonuke, you know him well from what it seems so that seems rather clear. You still make suggestions about keeping him in check and such. But for us even if the Fender or dragoneer sees em, at this point a good portion of us have a hard time even thinking they could figure out how to set such things. Yeah we don't have evidence per say but the ammount of things tehy have done to break our trust, we just have a hard time thinking highly anymore.
In regards to my acquaintance with Zidonuke. I deliberately neglected to raise that point as I felt that it was unimportant to the contribution I was making to this thread and that other users would likely grab the torch and pitchforks if I went around saying, "Zidonuke is on my friends list!" even though we are very different people. Which reminds me, Rowdy (the guy posting all over Reddit and Weasyl about this trying to start a mutiny) is also on my Steam friends list, but he and I wouldn't exactly call each other friends in a literal sense. We have each other added because we're the founders of separate furry gaming communities - hence the seldom discussions we have are more business orientated. My "friendship" with Zidonuke at present is much the same, we have each other added because we have a high number of mutual friends (Geek furries tend to group together) and we're both entrenched in the information technology industry. Hence more often than not we have interesting things to share with each other in that regard. Some might be able to appreciate the irony of a networking, security and digital forensics type being "friends" with someone who has a past reputation for the exact opposite (embedding loopholes, releasing malicious builds and such). To automatically deduce that me and him are the best of friends from the association of "Watching" each other or having each other added on Steam is highly presumptive and not reflective of the true nature of our relationship.
However, in regards to the claim that I intended to mislead people with the statement "Your poll seems to imply that people love Dragoneer. Will you shutup now?" -> It is important to remember that the response was directed at the poll creator who clearly had a bias in creating the poll and that it was distributed in a Journal that is mostly filled with people who are bemoaning the decisions made by Dragoneer. Therefore it is reasonable to say that most people should have been able to deduce what the result should have been, especially the poll creator else he wouldn't have made it if he didn't think the results would reflect his personal views. This, when combined with the fact that I deliberately submitted a highly excessive amount of votes, should have made it clear that there was no way the results could be legitimate and therefore someone must have been up to funny business (Which would explain why I so gleefully brought it to his attention). Did I think that a reader of this journal would believe for a second that an excess of 2000 people voted on a poll in a space of five minutes all in favour of Dragoneer linked from a Journal in which the comments were largely lambasting his decision making? No. I expected people to know that it was clearly in jest. If I wished to be deceptive, I would not have made it so blindingly obvious that the results were dodgy - by means of slipping in a smaller number of votes over a longer period of time (along with "No" votes for good effect). I hope this addresses any concerns you had on this point.
Finally, as someone who works in the information technology industry, specifically networking and security, I do get anal about terminology. This is a result of having spent nearly half a decade studying the field in question. The term hacking, in every-day use with specific reference to security, usually refers to the external infiltration of a system or application starting from the position of an unauthenticated user. Ergo: You start from scratch and you break into something from the outside. This type of attack type takes a certain amount of skill and competence hence I find it discourteous to those out there who can do this, to label people such as Zidonuke "hackers" when really all he does is abuse the trust of other individuals - who willingly give him access to something or willingly runs a piece of software he writes. Hexxy had it right when he brought up the term Social Engineering in reference to Zidonuke. The long and the short of it is, I understand that to a lay-man these terms are all muchness, but given that I've wasted a portion of my life studying that field I will still use and correct terminology where it is erroneous or not befitting industry standard. This should not be misconstrued as an attempt to befuddle other users.
The rest of your points I intend to leave unaddressed for now as it would seem Zidonuke has resigned from the staff, which is hardly surprising. I couldn't see him coping well with the unexpected pressures which this announcement has caused him, nor do I think that anyone would want to maintain involvement in a project in which a sizable portion of the user-base have all but said, "Fuck off".
From context it's obvious that you're a friend of Dragoneer/Zidonuke or even Zidonuke himself, and you know what?, I actually have nothing against you, whoever you are, but I really really needed to point out the obvious, because, man was it funny to see it happen. It just takes some reading, in fact, I'm going to do something just now...
The first one is susceptible to a votee, voting over and over with no restrictions.
The second one is a little better, however begrudgingly that one is partly easy to fool as well, for if a user erases their browser data, it will allow you to vote again. (Unless I pay 99¢ for it to block identical IP addresses) which also contridicts me having said it wasn't. lol
And honestly do you think on the first poll that that many that voted absolutely have commented here? I dont believe 2000+ people have been involved with this journal.
What a stuck up asshole you are.
Prom3th3an is Leon Hunter, who runs Ozzy Furocity (the game server) and has Zidonuke friended here, and on his Steam friends list. This is also why he is Zidonuke's only staunch supporter.
You see, I have done plenty of reading. Leon should not assume things. ;^)
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Zidonuke
As you can see, he was swiftly dealt with there. He has a history of causing trouble. My suggestion is that you cease communication. He's not worth it.
They are simply making his case worse.
And if you read the bottom, you'll see Spiro (a site admin) bailed out with his tail between his legs once he was proven wrong - although he took exception to my wording, Greenreaper chose not to act on it. "Swiftly dealt with" for sure.
This info is pretty much gold, thank you for still going at it dude c:
As for Leon, he wasn't important enough to put in the article. Sorry!
"Wait, you.... lied?!" - Not an insult. He says he lied.
"Oh good lord!" - Ohmahgawsh, I said the lawds name!
"We have a liar here people," - Again, he outright stated that he lied in his post.
"quick DragonDoomLord, deliverer of moral justice, smite him at once I say!" - This isn't an insult, more so that you seem to be rather trigger happy when it comes to calling people liars and I figured you'd be eager to pounce this guy since he is the real deal when it comes to outright misleading people.
As you can see. No insult here. And Scillince appears to be somewhat foolish for agreeing with you without reading my post first to see if there was an actionable insult.
Yes, there's no sarcasm in there, none at all. You clearly think I'm a morally righteous person against all the tyrannical and sinful ways through the interwebs! Clearly "smite him at once" is your way of not putting down or mocking what I've been doing at all.
Do I really have to explain that an insult isn't necessarily a cuss word or outright making allegations about someone's skills? It's clear that you are a pretty intelligent person, so I highly doubt so.
And, he just confessed there, pretty clearly, I pointed out bullshit and hypocrisies you said earlier, where no one pointed em out there. Here you clearly, in a condescending manner, explained the gist of it so, don't quite see the point.
At least you are nice enough to explain why paying for the poll IP defense thingie was a bad idea.
I can see you can make really good arguments with no need to getting down to all this shit, so why do it?
Wat?
"I didn't rape her officer! I just forgot to get her permission first!"
So much stuff just started to make so much sense.
Srsly, how fucking DUMB can you be to put a fucking HACKER on the staff?
I'd go on a rant about how FA needs to get there shit together, but I've lost so much faith in them from this little announcement, that I can clearly see that's not possible. Wow. No wonder so many people are leaving this shitty site.
Of course, I'll still be coming back to this site because some of the people I watch update/post stuff on FA the most, or FA is the ONLY place they post to. Quite a shame, really.
For those of you who want to be able to share and favorite a Weasyl journal for your friends.
Except a lot of the issues came up AFTER he was removed, or AFTER he had a falling out with staff. Not during. During, he just waited in the wings, popping little backdoor bullshit everywhere. I'm pretty sure no one suspected he'd be a shit head then either.
It's like "Oh look! There's a tiny fire on my carpet. It's not really spreading though, so I'll handle it if it decides to burn my house down. But right now it's not doing anything so I'll leave it be."
Well...it was.
Planned Outage: Fri, Nov 21 @ 2AM EST/7AM GMT. We are planning database work to improve site performance for uploads, notifications. Est. downtime 6-8 hours.
Change of Staff: StarryKitten has stepped down from the staff and left the development team. His access been removed from our systems.
What is really happening: We have removed StarryKitten due to outraging the community from having lied about the whole 'transparency' thing. Sorry guis! Our bad!
Ps. We're still keeping him, but will hide him from your plain sight, so he can still fidle with my(Website) Baby. ~Love Neer
way to go guys.
Furry site staff is a known hacker? Well, who the fuck cares as long as my porn loads faster? Right?
In the case of fa, well, you guys chose the latter.
Lol no
Okaaaay...
What the HELL is this mindset? Why is it a thing with soooo many people and yet no one says jack shit about the insults to civil people from those defending the site. Nope. It's only okay to be uncivilized as long as you're doing something in agreeance with the site and with the people who are just okay with everything going on.
You can raise concerns civilly. It's not really that hard. And yes, civil concerns raised can cause someone to step down if enough people have a problem with it. So close minded.
Go to old comment threads and try to start something up again.
Good lord this is getting old.
Another thing, starting something would entail me coming to you with the sole purpose of trying to start a fight with you. This is a public forum and as such if you post your shit don't get upset when someone chooses to comment.
If it's getting old then remove your comments. If it's that big of a damn deal to you. Seriously. It's within a day, it's a public forum, and you posted your brand of bullshit.
But yeah. This is what I do. I go to recent forums that I've been posting on for a while and continue to comment on the discussion with any comment I see fit. Got a problem with how that works? Don't add your two cents to a public forum.
Good lord your logic is getting old. :T
It's like you go to random people just to start drama.
There are plenty of comments under me that are still active and open for discussion.
PLUS, you posted the same exact things as everyone else.
So yea, it's getting hella old.
For someone who defends talking civily you sure did get a bit, hmm, bitchy.
A civil discussion doesn't entail using "your shit" "you posted your brand of bullshit"
And questioning my logic.
Hmmmm
Everyone is being very adult like and mature, and you and a few others are the ones busting in here screaming drama and dissenting though all of us have been having civil conversations the whole time. You're the one making this aggressive, and purposefully nettling people. You don't have to agree, but stop purposely trying to harass and demean people who actually care about this situation and want to talk about it.
Annnnd again, it doesn't really matter about the time stamp or who you're responding to or not responding to. YOU'RE ON A PUBLIC FORUM. You're gonna get responses. Thaaaaat's how it works. You don't like it? Don't post on a public forum. Period.
Your logic is flawed and you're just upset that no one subscribed to your bullshit.
I will comment to whomever I wish in a public forum. If you don't want to participate you can block me, not comment, keep walking, any number of things but that's on YOU. I'm not the one with the problem. You are. You fix it.
But sure, let's just assume I go to random people to start drama juuuust because you're ooooh so that important. Nevermind the very nature of the journal you posted to is one where there's obviously a lot of traffic and where your comment will obviously get a response. But yeah, let's just pretend you didn't say shit that won't be looked at sideways. Let's pretend you didn't post to a public forum and are now crying about the fact someone responded to you, regardless of who else happened to respond or how long it's been.
I mean really, cuz I know your schedule enough to deduce "hey this person hasn't responded yet. That means they're done." Cuz you know, it couldn't have been that you went to sleep, went to work, or are otherwise not at your desk to be able to respond to anyone yet. Nope. I just have to automatically know when you're done talking on a public forum enough to know when you're done with it.
Honey child, delete your comments. Quit your bitchin' Don't want someone coming at you weird, don't come at them with your passive aggressive nonsense. And please for the love of everything learn where something's public and you don't want to have comments at any point, then don't comment.
But it's clear from the other person you will write off this because "waaaaaah it's getting old but I don't want to remove myself completely from something clearly annoying me. WAAAAH logic."
So fuck it~
So I did what you're supposed to do when you're done talking with someone instead of expecting someone to stop speaking with me based on something they wouldn't know in the first place.
But hey, helps you out since you don't really know how to deal with public spaces.
What a silliness, let's bring him back and see how much our data costs in the black market...
First time I seen some guy get in and out so fast lol
Also, way for fa staff to be too cowardly shit to make a journal about it. HAH.
Change of Staff: StarryKitten has stepped down from the staff and left the development team. His access been removed from our systems.
More like "We just realized what a stupid fucking move this was, we removed him and called it a 'resignation'"
Your Facebook group getting rekt was the final straw, huh?
- StarryKitten / Zidonuke disabled his accounts, seems he's off here.
- No downtime (not a problem really, but it was coincidential with the hiring of SK so...)
- SK quit from staff
The downtme wasn't really a concern for me, unless SK was still on the staff, which is not the case, but seems that the guy really stepped back. I'm really sorry to see this, I feel kinda guilty, but by the other hand, with all the things he did, Dragoneer hiding him and all this contradictions, I feel that this was the best choice.
Now, I hope the guy really finds his way, one way to demostrate it is not to harm the site or the users on here, I guess time will tell if we wre wrong or not.
Talking by myself, I'm sorry Dragoneer (If you manage to read this), but you surely can understand a concern as big as the one the community had with SK being able to access databases or code of the site, having the story he had in his past. Running a site can be hard, but you need to be cool enough to take the right desitions. If you plan to continue with this "transparency" policy, we need to ensure the person you hire will not sell our data to the black market. An effective way can be making a pol or voting for staff members, so we can see who can be in charge.
Other than this, I love FA, this site is awesome, and I'm aware of the difficulty level of supporting FA.
Anyway, thanks (ironically) to SK for taking the right choice, time will tell who was wrong (I really hope we misjudged him, and not otherwise...) and thanks to you for being responsible.
I hope he can find a project to work on on a more competent site.
So. Yeah. Speculation.
Duh.
I wonder what that has to say about all the people who've been crying about security.
What the hell is security on here anyway, I have nothing in my notes but commission info.
Oh jeez, not my paypal info that happens to be my e-mail address, oh noes!
Bet dem hackers never would have thought of that one! :V
I think if something were going to happen then it would have happened when the community lashed out against them with the public announcement.
Might as well accuse Dragoneer for being guilty by association - it's just silly.
And furthermore, I believe you'll find that the company the two work at is a multi-national incorporated company with points of presence all over the place. So it's quite possible that they used to work in the same building but since Dragoneer's move now work at different buildings.
WTF IS GOING ON.
Nope...
Were serious guys, he isn't going to be put on the staff as a coder......
(Next week/month)
We got a new coder! Moonykitten!
I wouldn't be surprised if Zionduke is still working on the site, but has just gone back to his "behind the scenes" spot as he has been for the past year or so. Way to be real transparent about that, as well, and good job telling the users SO much sooner than a fucking year.
But, as long as it'll shut the nagging furries up, it's okay right? You'll know we'll forget about it in two weeks anyway, so... There ya go.
StarryKitten is gone? Gee, I wonder why? *cough* It's not like he wasn't totally a whiny baby hacker who previously hacked other websites and screwed them over...*cough*
And remember guys, we solved this problem, but there is still the huge issue of Jake the server. Dragoneer flat out lied plain and simple. He lied about it being used. He then accepted more donations. He needs to refund that money immediately or post receipts proving he is spending it on shit He won't lie again about using. Zidonuke was only part of the problem. Now we are at a much, much bigger issue.
This is really REALLY stupid my god.
I've read a little abut all the "Jake" thing... I hope that this new transparency policy will enable us to know what happened... I won't give more opinions on this, because I even didn't donate -een missed the donation event-.
A month ago, FA raked in 25000 dollars. Did Dragoneer disclose the identity of the new coder or the server status? Absolutely not. The fact that WE are telling you this, not Dragoneer, is a travesty of the worst order. Refunds need to be demanded.
Zidonuke said Jake wasn't running when Neer lied?...
This is...
Weird...
The bad guy telling the truth... Neer still lying. This looks kinda suspicious. I mean... Neer does all this dishonest movements, and the forst move from a hacker is to say that Jake was never running... Before, he was hidden, then appears as StarryKitten, everyone freaks out and hes just steps back...
This sucks as much as my current politic hadle on my country... Maybe I'm wrong but... Wouldn't it be that neer known about this freak out when he thought about "transparency policies" and hiding Zido from sight? Maybe... just maybe, this was a good set up for getting Zido outa here because he exposed one of Neer's lies?
Or this was just a set up to make us think transparency was a policy, and maybe not distrust Zido...
I need to rethink this...
Why would Dragoneer announce him right now of all times? I would assert the only motivating factor was Dragoneer wanted to play "good news" guy by introducing a new sysadmin following the downtime who's always been there. This would make users think he's doing something new! When really it is business as usual.
Keeping in mind that at first the idea was to avoid drama by using an alt account (SK) but that kinda collapsed fast. The whole "getting rid of Zido" theory doesn't work due to that fact.
Now, another theory was to use his dear fellow to "cover" all the donations and server lies, either way, this is more dirty than it looks...
Side note, I haven't liked a lot of what you said, and I know people are saying you're whiteknighting because you're Zidonukes friend, if that's the case, then you do have my respect. We're supposed to stand by our friends no matter what.
I wouldn't blame the community for not being amicable to the idea of having SK in the administration. I think, if things had been handled differently, specially from Dragoneer's end, there is the possibility that SK would still be in the staff, but the question is whether that would be beneficial or not in the long run.
>> "All I know is, we took a chance for our beloved site to get better and shoved it up our tails."
Well, if we trust SK's word here, and he indeed was a hidden admin for a year, then the improvements that he managed to bring to the site weren't noticeable. Maybe someone would be inclined to think he would bring those much-needed features to the website, like folders, but I opine it is too optimistic to think what he didn't do in 1 year (for whatever reason) was going to be done in the near future.
Allow me to paint you an idealized scenario where things would have been different:
-StarryKitten does stay hidden admin for one year.
-Dragoneer makes the announcement that StarryKitten was indeed a hidden admin for one year, he apologizes thoroughly for not standing by his promise of transparency that he did before, but explains that he did it for a good reason this time.
(except obvious skepticisim from the community up to this point)
-With the announcement, the new feature of Folders for FA is announced, courtesy of StarryKitten.
-StarryKitten himself admits to being Zidonuke, he too apologizes for staying hidden, he says he regrets what he has done in the past and that since he feared he would be rejected and not given a chance if he openly admitted to his identity when he joined, he worked in secret for a year in the feature. He candidly asks the community for a chance.
(except mixed skepticism at this point and a divided community on whether SK should stay, I believe it is possible he would be accepted and redeemed in the end).
If this sounds too much like a tragic anime plot to you, fine, but it could have happened; if things had been handled this way, the results would have been vastly different to what you have now.
To begin, if someone truly wants a chance to be redeemed and makes a good faith effort of that magnitude (bringing the new feature I mentioned) but hidden out of a -reasonable and expected- fear of rejection, then empathizing is not difficult and it is much easier to forgive.
By the way, speaking of handling things differently, Dragoneer could be publicly sharing bills of what he spended the funds from the donation drive on, and so on and so on.
TL;DR, given the way the situation unfolded, I don't blame the community for their reaction and I think SK stepping down was the obvious decision from his point of view; I don't think the successes as they happened right now were a wasted opportunity on the side of either the community or SK. However, things could have been handled vastly differently, and the results almost surely much better.
*successes -> events
my apologies.
Hiring friends is not professional.
BUT IT'S A FURRY SITE!
It doesn't matter if you were selling poop covered underwear. You be that fucking professional.
You want to talk about transparency, what's up with all that money you took before the DDOS. People who donated.
Show what you have/haven't used. What it's for. Proof, not just words.
Stop bringing people on without your communities consent. This is pretty much the only way FA is going to survive.
Listen to the people and coders and fan base. They know what they are talking about. (at least most of them that try to voice their concerns, even if there are some negative ways about some of them, you'd think the community throwing red flags at you would wake you up.)
If not, the site will die and you know it, look how fast it's going up in flames.
I think people should report this gross misuse of donations. This is inexcusable and Dragoneer doesn't seem to give enough of a shit about the site to make a public statement other than little admin notes and bitching on twitter.
http://i.imgur.com/Q93TOT0.gif
My reaction when it was just now revealed that he was taken off of the team and his account is disabled:
http://i.imgur.com/phrl12s.gif
Seriously though, what in the flying fuck were the owners thinking? Lol
If you want the whole background and are uninformed of this whole ordeal, here ya go: http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme....._is_important/
Were the people in charge of vetting who gets access to the servers drunk or something?
I'm no longer sure which is worse: the "hacker" who was trying to change, or the mob that formed to try and remove him. Seriously… This just disappoints me, and I'm not talking about StarryKitten or Neer.
We just want this stuff to stop and maybe have a functional, safe, community.
I have full trust in Starrykitten.
You all ought to be ashamed of yourself, but you'll never learn to not be pessimistic.
IF he was going to maliciously do damage to FA, the damage
1: Would already have been done
2: It would not go past unnoticed
I will never be ashamed to spread factual evidence and let people become educated on the issue. No one harassed Zidonuke on this thread except a couple spammers whose comments were hidden. People remained civil and concerned. Also, you're wrong that if he wanted to, he already would have. There's no proof Zidonuke has been a coder for a year (why would Zaush be given the reign of the code 6 months ago if Zido was coding for 6 months before that), and if he did, where is the progress? Plus he only just now got access to the code, so there's still a waiting period. You're free to think it would have worked out, but many of us were against the idea. If Dragoneer wants to open up donations for PROFESSIONAL coder, I will donate right here and now. We don't need best friends being hired with shady histories. FA has proven it can pull together and donate when it matters, so if Dragoneer would just provide proof of hiring a coder and get donations for it, we could change this site without risking security to people with a shady past.
Being a pessimist is bad, but so is being blindly optimistic. People here were presenting facts and histories and talking about their discomfort. If that is being pessimistic and chasing someone away just because we're being honest and civil, they shouldn't be here in the first place.
If you stole a 500,000,000$ car, and got off scott free, then tried to work at a dealership, what on earth do you think would happen.
You do not hire someone to be a vet if they mutilated cats.
you do not hire a pedophile to take care of your children.
you do not hire someone to do work on your site, if they've brought another down.
It's just common fucking sense.
This has nothing to do with them trying to change, it's the mistake dragoneer made bringing his FRIEND on in his BUSINESS.
I actually have no ill will to them, and i really hope they can find something to work on they'll actually get paid for.
It's kind of hard to be optomistic, when in the 10 years of FA it's all been lies, broken promises, sexual harrassing people, dog fuckers and so on. SO. Yeah. Forgive me for wanting a site i can work on, as a professional in what i do, as my JOB, where i take payments, and get addresses/pp emails, where your confidential is my #1 priority to keep safe. Forgive me for wanting to have reliable service out of a site. Forgive me for expecting professionalism from a man child. I mean.. He's had this for how long, and then admits to not taking care of it properly, hording it like people want to take it away from him when we just want it to succeed.
Yes, shame on us all.
A picture from Chase's gallery before it was removed: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=110.....5#.VG4d0MmrF3U (NSFW!!)
Conversations with people: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=259.....5#.VG4d98mrF3U and http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=axf.....5#.VG4eEMmrF3U
This is from the note leak logs on FA a couple years back: http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/view/9461/
Zidonuke made a mess of F-List when his coworkers found out he has been spying on through the site, before he left he made everyone an admin, cleared the banlist, and left a number of backdoors that HE himself made left. On Pokemon World Online, he had a hissy fit after getting too many complains from players and said he was going to delete the whole database of the game http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/.....Untitled-1.png he did, but dind't got to get all the backups eliminated http://pwo-wiki.info/index.php?titl.....n_World_Online
So no, he wouldn't have done so already, as most of the times he did stuff like that it was when he got really damn mad or upset or found out. And don't tell us that we should be ashamed when you act all morally righteous when you didn't even investigate yourself if anything we have been saying was true.
Also, if you have read the previous comments... MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE OFFERED THEIR EXPERIENCE AS CODERS FOR FREE, COMPETENT CODERS, AND DRAGONEER TURNED EM DOWN
Because he prefers only accepting close friends of his into high ranks.
Dragoneer, as owner, owes no one answers as to his hiring choices unless he's using funds from the users to pay someone. This site does not belong to the users, but to the owner. If you don't like what he's doing, the best option is to leave and promote the competition, not assault him with jeers and personal attacks, which is what I've seen happen constantly since the announcement.
As for a "safe community", after the many times I've seen lynch mobs descend on Neer for trying to do something, I'm convinced that it's the community that needs culling, not the staff. Yeah, the guys working here aren't perfect, but they're volunteers. They don't get paid for putting up with users screaming at them. If they wanted that, they could get $15 an hour working tech support.
Yeah, it's his site, he can pull the plug whenever he wants, he can change the homepage to goatse and walk away forever. I think that an attitude change in which the staff here think about the good of the community and less about...whatever the heck they're thinking about now would be really helpful. I co-run a (much smaller) furry website and that's the attitude we try to take--what's best for the community?
You'd think general business sense would be something the staff should know considering the age and size of the website, but.. Well.
There's an exception to every rule, isn't there?
Yes, this is his website, but it is the COMMUNITY that paid for new servers. It's the COMMUNITY who's paid and donated to keep this site running. If you think that the users aren't owed explanations and a shred of respect, and instead it's okay to shovel out blatant lies, then I'm wary about your abilities to run a website. This is not professional what he is doing, it is not ethical, and it is not at all supportive of the people working to fix it. No, he doesn't deserve the personal attacks and it's the wrong way to go about it, but I understand the frustration because we want this site to work. We don't WANT people to leave or relocate. We want FA fixed and working and Dragoneer seems to not be interested in taking our help unless it suits him, and then lying to our faces.
'neer has done a lot of shit and gotten away with it; the users are fed up with being fed horse shit lies from the staff.
And if he's been here a year like he claims and there's been no progress, he wasn't worth it anyway. And if he lied, then 1. he lied. 2. he has a history of breach of privacy and fucking over websites. I'm not comfortable risking that and I'm damn glad tons of other people cared enough to spread the word. If making his identitiy known and discussing his actions civilly was enough to chase him away, he didn't deserve it anyway.
lol
as if fucking up multiple websites and communities shit is civil in comparison to online posts calling for answers and reform
I'd also like to secondly point out to anyone reading this: WHY IS DRAGONEER NOT THE ONE TELLING YOU THESE THINGS? Why does it have to be us?
To those that still don't really fucking get it. I will even go into caps lock bold rage mode to show everyone who has been all hooray for neer, and crap.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING TO HELP FIX THE SITE FOR YEARS FOR FREE BUT NEER THE GREAT AND WILL NEVER DO ANY WRONG REJECTED I REPEAT RE-JECT-TED THERE HELP ON HELPING TO CODE, AND FIX THE SITE.
And that's the point.
People have tried to hand code over to Neer on a free, silver platter. Neer refuses it, and instead hires the guy next door, swearing his mother's life on the guy's loyalty. Lo and behold... Everything's gone to shit... same as it always does.
Yay, Neer! We sure do love your sorry ass :D
I'm just gonna go hire a guy to do my laundry for me.
Don't pay any mind in his profile/resume that he's a convicted clothing thief.
A hacker is the last person you want working on code :|
When someone has a repeated history of doing something, you should hold them in suspicion of potentially doing it again. You don't let the serial killer out of jail, you don't give the robber the keys to the vault, you don't give the drug dealer access to more drugs.
It's about the mistrust neer is bringing, and the fact it was not the right choice to make.
You don't hire a pedophile to take care of your kids, why would you hire someone who in the past has behaved inappropriately in admin/staff power on a site and tried to take the site down because he had a fit.
He was a giant liability, and it's a really good thing he's gone.
Assuming this one survives the week, anyway.
I have art to do but I'm afraid to leave FA in case it isn't here when I get back.
They need to focus on fixing all the broken issues instead of trying to just make it look like a modern art site.
I spent three months optimizing Inkbunny earlier this year and the site didn't look a pixel different. Loaded lots faster, though!
You might rile up the idiots that infest this place
KITASHI IS BANNED. THE GUY WHO I BELIEVE WAS ONE OF THE FRIENDLIEST AND MOST RESPECTABLE PEOPLE ON FA FUCKING GONE.
WHERE IS NEER TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHEN WE'RE WANTING ANSWERS.
Kitashi was wonderful, he answered multiple questions I had on various occasions and made me feel confidant about getting change. He did a Q&A session. HE WAS TRANSPARENT, HE WAS TRUSTWORTHY, HE WAS HONEST, HE WAS HELPFUL. HE WAS THE BATMAN THIS SITE WANTED AND NEEDED!!
I notice the thumbnails for art are really awful jpg quality, though. And without using the https:// in front of the site, many new images are grainy and seem to be reduced in quality, which happened only a little while ago. May be related to what oneandonly is saying; I'm no computer or website expert.
(I wasn't directly implying anything though, just thought it was funny that things suddenly started speeding up about the same time he "stepped down".)
Dragoneer has held steadfast by his friends in past bouts of drama, I don't see that changing any time soon. I'm certain he would have allowed SK to stay, damned be what you all think.
History shows he doesn't listen. He didn't fire Zuash, I don't see him firing someone he works with who was his sysadmin for a year.
Moving right along, I stand by my remarks. If you think Dragoneer grew the spine to "listen to user feedback" and "turn on one of his friends" then you're invalidating much of what people have said in this thread. Again, Dragoneer owns FA and he runs it the way he wants. You guys didn't get rid of any of the previous questionable appointments, they all stood down, he won't have started here.
THE MYSTERY DEEPENS! owo
As for SK really stepping down or staying in the shadows?, we don't know. I'm inclined to think he actually stepped down, since all that's happened lately would surely lower his morale. If you imagine yourself in his position, would you have enough energy left to stay an admin, even if hidden from sight?.
That's bothering a lot. Hope you'll find a way to fix that problem.
There are some users of whom I just learned here who have earned my respect just by how they have behaved. Of all the large debates and discussions I've read in comment threads, here and elsewhere, which usually leave me a very bitter taste of having wasted my time, I feel this one was good. The dialogue here, while at times excessive, has been generally constructive, surprisingly informative, and I feel I have gained much just from reading everyone's viewpoints.
So impressed I am, that I -without a hint of shame- want to say that in some of you I can see people who could be dependable friends, whom I wish to get to know better one day. I will remember you.
So again, to everyone who has participated here, particularly the most vocal, thorough and formal, thank you.
To StarryKitten, I hope you find a way to redeem yourself in a different vein, this was ill timing at the wrong place.
To Dragoneer, please sit down to meditate carefully what you are doing, now perhaps more than ever would be a good time to reflect what has gone wrong and why; the answers are laid out in front of you, don't miss the forest for the trees.
Am I just going crazy, is it my laptop..
Or did the server downtime notice get taken off..?
That was his intent for friday but now no more.
I'm honestly still afraid. It makes me wonder what /can/ he do with the access he had...
/inb4fAisoffonFridayAnyways
I'm gonna brace for it.
However, earlier they put up a notice that StarryKitten has stepped down, but still had the site down schedule still up. Then they got rid of the site down schedule (which makes sense for many variable reasons). However, they now took down the status of StarryKitten stepping down.
Uhm, did they let him back in and hide him, or what? I know that nobody here could know that... but it's a question that should be answered.
And thanks, haha, I tend to notice the little things.
2) New Coder/Tech Added
starrykitten is joining the Dev/Ops team to help us better organize our tech efforts, improve site performance, answer tech/bug-related tickets and bring more transparency to what we're doing (all good stuff that's sorely overdue). To that end, we're making our bug/dev tracker public. This will help users know what we're focusing on and monitor progress and improvements.
Please remove the gawdawful jpeg artifacting like yesterday - you can't be an art site and completely ruin artists' hard work like that
You know, like he SURELY WON'T DO AGAIN like he did in the past. No, surely he wouldn't delete an entire journal and try to cover it up, because people never make the same mistake twice. Give him a sec-...thir-...fo-...fi-...sixth chance!
This is the man you all paid 25k to, FurAffinity. You gave him a twenty five thousand dollar license to be a fucking child and disrespect you all right in front of your faces with blatant disregard for what you've put into HIS site.
HIS BABY SITE would be nothing without all of you, since he never finishes his art.
HIS BABY SITE would be nothing without all of you buying ads.
HIS BABY SITE would be nothing without all of you going to his cons. How does he repay you? He steals from you and then lies about it. It's about time you all rose up and told him that is not okay. Demand your money back. Do whatever you have to.
The only difference between Dragoneer and us is that he holds the keys - we're paying to keep his porn repository online.
If any legal charges were filed against Neer for this, from what I read, he could likely be looking at around five years of prison and having to pay back all the people he nicked money from.
Not that it's any surprise, just some interesting information.
We need to wait for Neer to respond to these serious accusations. If he doesn't, then...well.
All in due time, I suppose. One can only try and hide for so long.
The Pokemon World Online wiki has a "history" page where they talk about how he screwed up the site at one point and tried to delete the whole things, you can also find info on his botched mods and F-List being messed up by him.
Well ain't that a kick in the teeth!
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/dragoneer - check the time on those last three favs
The coder person was very cordial and listened, as you drove them out of town without even a chance.
How could any race, species, gender survive with the sort of trial by unfair discrimination that just happened?
Haters gonna hate.
But if you are here to enjoy free art, community, and sharing, then this site seems willing to be such a place.
Lovers gonna Love.
I could say anything about or against dragoneer, but I dont think they put the servers to go slow intentionally. Why for? What do they gain? More hate?
The rest is just as I said. Just look back (because im not talking only about this incident that happened just now). Every single time that dragoneer does anything, no exception, people goes furious, they start to insult him in certain imageboard, and soon later, there are rant pictures, insults, arguments and stuff happening. Then there's the flood of people migrating to other sites while "that shithole sinks". Then the site comes back to normality, and the people who left comes back [why for?].
I am actually tired of seeing drama every single time any single thing happens in this site. Be it the new coder, be it something related to the staff personal life, be it about a donation (in which im sure 99.9% of the people who complains havent donated a dime), or even be it about changing the skin of the site. That's why I didnt make a journal about the topic, and I'm not going to make a journal about it (why for? Spreading the drama?).
And I'm actually glad that most of the people I watch are in the same train, "do not spread the drama".
Complacency? You can say that. To be honest, I don't care about the label anymore. I only say that we're tired, the people who screams are a vocal minority, and by now we dont care if you (i am using this word as a plural) are right or wrong. If we're here after all the previous migrations, we're here because we know what to expect, we know how the boat goes, and we are aware that this site could fail at some moment. We know why we're here, what to expect, and we'll enjoy the things as they come. If the site dies, perfect, we'll go to our backup sites. If the site lives, perfect too, we'll continue with our art and bussiness here.
In the 6 years and half that I have in this site, the site isnt working better nor worse than before. Actually, is working roughly identical. And I can expect that the site will keep working the same. With its downtimes every once, but not better nor worse than how is working now.
"Well, isn't it a good thing they're giving this guy a chance to make up for his mistakes?"
"Dragoneer does so much for this site, we should let these things slide!"
There aren't technically bad things to want to do, but it's coming at the cost of ignoring facts. Even someone that screws up again and again I still believe deserves a chance at redemption, but doing so by putting them in a position of power is ludicrous..
But... I'm not supposed to have this conversation anymore, so you do as you wish for whatever misjudged reasons you have.
As for Dragoneer?, the accusations that he has contradicted himself in the past, the observation that if 2 people related to the facts are saying two different things (e.g.: Dragoneer's "he's not been an admin" vs StarryKitten's "I have been a hidden admin for 1 year") leads you logically to conclude that least one of them is lying; if you dig through the journal you will see other matters have been pressed in a similar way: with facts that lead you to question the credibility of the administration.
This time what we have is not a lynch mob.
As for the developer? (StarryKitten), there is no proof that he has done anything wrong so far, and that is fine, and there's always the possibility that he wouldn't do anything wrong if he stayed, but the risk was real and it had to be voiced; I don't even remember people explicitly asking him to step down, they demanded explanations, particularly from Dragoneer who has stayed silent (even in Twitter), since it was Dragoneer who appointed him to begin with; he bears the responsibility over that action and he hasn't taken any.
PS: I am stepping out to talk (something I nearly never do) because of the example given by others.
Lol, FA's going down the drain. Still love this place, but KEK.
So is the downtime going to be a thing? I would like to start uploading things without it looking all weird. :U I'd like to know ahead of time so I can take precautions.
well, the site is a lot faster than what is was in the past, i am geateful for that, i sometimes do not notice that the page already loaded so i press F5 so i can see the loading circle on the tab, but i almost never see it, so i need to scrool down to see if there is a change in the page i was on, i really like that fast speed loading, makes it a lot easyer, and i did not have an isue with the images since the change, they all load
really great work
But, either my understanding of English is borked, or you may have mis-wrote what you meant in the sentence below?)
"Honestly it's kinda a shame that Zidonuke's not the only one who's stepping down." (i.e; You believe it's a shame that Zidonuke IS NOT the only one stepping down) Implying there are others who stepped down along side him. Which to my knowledge, he is in fact the only one stepping down?
Or did you actually mean this instead?
'It's kinda a shame Zidonuke -IS- the only one who's stepping down.' (i.e; You believe it is a shame that Zidonuke IS the only one stepping down, and that you believe others should step down along side him)
https://trello.com/b/f7USczsS/furaffinity-devops
Or are we literally going to be required (transparency) to make an account on a site that is NOT (transparency) related to FA (transparency) in the slightest, just to keep tabs of the administration staff? (transparency)
Seriously though... I've stayed quiet through this whole debacle and have just been laughing this whole time... 10 months people... TEN MONTHS since the Zaush exodus, and already we've got something even worse going on. *facepalms*
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43202989
I've already (slightly) voiced my opinion here if you care to take a look, but eh, no skin off my bones if no one does :P
To me, Regardless of the date of the transgressions committed by Zidonuke/Starrykitten. He should have never been hired or allowed anywhere near the coding of this or any site.
The safety and privacy of the userbase at large is FAR more important to me (and obviously a lot of others), than some pathetic little hacker's attempts to 'redeem' himself.
You dug your own grave, dude, now all you can do is sit in it and rot :P Congrats.
PS: Why i haven't seen this already is baffling... but Someone needs to photoshop Dragoneer's head onto the History Channel's 'Aliens guy', and change the quote from 'Aliens' to 'Transparency' (or 'Transparent')
http://cdn.meme.am/images/627067.jpg
I'd do it myself, but who am i to deny you lovely people from having some fun?
Transparency.... :U
So lemme get this straight.... Not only did Dragoneer hire/appoint a known hacker with Recent evidence against them for hacking a previous site they were admin/dev for, and allow them access to the site's code and the private data of it's users, but he Also allowed That Same Person who is NOT THE SITE'S OWNER to be in charge of and run the site's Only update tracker???
This just keeps getting better and better... First the Note leaks, then the Chase scandal, then the Zaush exodus (Who if i'm not mistaken, was never formally removed from the admin staff (Even when he was announced as being 'hired', i don't ever recall seeing him listed as site staff, oddly enough www.furaffinity.net/staff/ ), Now the Zidonuke/Starrykitten debacle..
What in the ever loving fuck is Dragoneer smoking??! And he wonders why people keep rallying against his ineptitude!
Give up already 'Neer. I can promise you, if we all had a vote, you'd have been swiftly chucked into the sun years ago.
Add to that, the new accusations of the embezzlement of donations that were meant to go towards the site's improvement as well as a server (Jake) that never actually went fully online even though we were TOLD it had, and has been online since September of last year. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5058966/ (To which I am highly suspect of even the 'minimal' use of it that Dragoneer claims in this tweet, as should everyone else be skeptical of anything Dragoneer says these days, really..)
Seriously... To anyone wanting all the info they can get on all this bullshit, visit the links below, as i don't feel like going through all the sources and posting this and that here myself..
https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comm....._is_important/
https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comm.....drama_part_ii/
https://www.anonimg.com/img/ad4ed19.....1922db2272.png & https://www.anonimg.com/img/58fe175.....ba92dc4d84.png
Thank you to the artist who did this! You have my eternal gratitude! <3
I honestly don't give a damn if posting these get me banned/ticketed or whatever, it was worth it so long as these get spread like wildfire! Please grant me that (possibly) last wish of mine, my fellow concerned citizens! D:
^ information that backs up this statement quite well.
I've worked on websites and projects with a similar admin culture as FA, and it's near-impossible to get anything done.
ftfy
Assumptions make an ass out of u and me.
All I want is webm and mp4 support on the site. But noooo, we have to make drama about every little thing. I find it funny that most the people bitching here have journal posts about leaving the website dated roughly 10 months ago, and yet they are still here.
Lets face it, these people love drama and can't live without it.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal.....6#cid:43207308
I don't think the people who intervened here, in general, loved drama. I saw genuine concern in both sides, and reasonable argumentation.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgr.....-the-internet/
http://www.businessinsider.com/hack.....es-2011-6?op=1
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011.....7701KK20110802
Do we trust these other companies more?
That's to put it as simply as I can.
Not to mention that this is volunteer work.
If my experience with people is anything to go by, it's that volunteer workers are always more likely to do stupid shit, because they aren't risking a pay-cheque to do it.
Dude I just want to make animations and place them on a website that supports a few video formats. So far only InkBunny has this feature and I know no one is going to make an account there just to watch an animation.
He certainly hasn't been held accountable for all the other shit he's done.
If you want to be apathetic, fine. But keep in mind the fact that the apathetic attitudes of people like you are what give Dragoneer the green light to continue not giving two shits about getting competent, trust worthy people to make these things possible.
Aside from today, i've not touched FA since i posted my journal about moving.
The only reason i'm here is because of friends of mine who still use this cesspool of a site, and i'm sick of people like you being uninformed nitwits :3
To me this is drama. Companies hire hackers all the time, nothing new here.
But by all means, link me this security risk info, because this thread has gotten way to large for me to find it at this point.
http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme....._is_important/
Part 2:
http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme.....drama_part_ii/
TL;DR?
Do you realize what you are asking?
If you have no facts or hard evidence on some of the things said, than don't bother. I'm not going to listen to speculation.
Everything that does have evidence good, if not, that's where I stop reading. Call it a principal or morals and being unbiased.
Regarding the DDoS and it's timing. I give benefit of the doubt. Speculation on it being an inside job.
People want transparency, SK admits who he is and even links to the things he has done. Says what he wants to do, is pretty clear on his goals and is quite helpful, as seen at the start of this thread. Again I give benefit of the doubt.
Over a year on this website. php coding is backend and has no visual enhancement towards the site. Sometimes it takes testing, at times you need to break something to find the issues, which considering the times the website has been chugging over the course of the past year, is no surprise he could have very well been working on things. Benefit of the doubt though. Statement seems mostly speculation.
Last part of the image SK watching those accounts, well at least he was being transparent about it. Could very well use other means to keep tabs on those people, again speculation that it could lead to moderation abuse. Though to be fair I'm speculating you a speculating, based on the tone given.
This from the image alone.
Need I go on?
So it's up to the reader to speculate based on your narrative of speculation, got it.
I think I'm done here.
Please, please, read this.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43176890
If I liked FA the way it is I wouldn't argue. Because I want to see this site improve.
I know there are pros and cons. But people like you only see the cons, you outright admit you don't like the site and the administration, so it's already a clear bias in your opinion on the matter. You talk all grandeur, about doing it for the community on FA, when its clear you will only listen to those who have the same concerns as you.
"Love it or hate it" whatever dude, I'm neither, I want to see this website improve because I find it outdated. But it also has the largest community online. Most of which have no idea this shit is even going on.
Personally I would of given SK the benefit of the doubt, he seemed pretty clear on who he was what he has done and what his objectives were, but that's my unbiased opinions.
Anyway, I've got more important things to worry about, like my mouse wheel not working right for some odd reason, it's not even that old. Bah cheap hardware, you get what you pay for.
That's like saying "I don't care if the guy robbed 3 banks before, he knows his way around banks!"
Personally I'd trust a guy who everyone knows about than some random new guy that nobody can find a trace of anything good or bad about him.
I don't get that logic. You would trust someone that if you looked up had tons of instances of bringing down sites, as apposed to someone that if you looked up has no instances of bringing down sites. I don't even.
None of this was taken out of hand, this was a huge issue for the site, I don't get how you don't see that.
I seriously laughed at this.
I love FA too, but I don't want to just lay down and accept the reaming because Dragoneer would rather hire his friends and popular artists.
> Work
kek X3
Would anybody care to tell me how linking to a journal on Weasyl constitutes phishing or harassment? I'd fucking love an explanation on that. Feel free to ban me if it's now illegal to post my own note.
They probably wanted him to remain anon.
It's safe to assume that Dragoneer knew who Zidonuke was and what he did in the past because he even says so himself on twitter. So you better believe the intent to keep Starrykitten's true identity as Zidonuke a secret was indeed part of the plan from the get go..
If it weren't got Scilince pushing the issue, as well as other factors, I'm sure we'd all be as oblivious as we were before we found out. (And in my case, i wouldn't be making my voice heard after almost a year of inactivity thanks to the Zaush exodus.)
And unless myself and everyone else who's posted similar journals/comments linking to the information against Zidonuke/Starrykitten (even if it's off site in the case of Scilince, who linked to a Weasyl journal) recieves similar warnings as Scilince posted above, then there's not much anyone can do to convince me they weren't singled out. =\
All I can say is God rest your soul when other people find out. I'm not sure who the bigger fuck up is, you, or Dragoneer.
Now I'm going to give you a chance to be a man and admit who you are. The next post from either of us will contain your name, because people who just donated a ton of money deserve to know exactly what your past crimes entailed. Please, write your name below so you can say you did it on your own. I want to at least give you that much. There is no use in hiding anymore because people already know who you are and it's spreading like wildfire.
He called him out, after him saying he wasn't ready to come out as who he was. Starry wanted to get some achievements under his belt before hand, so people could see the good he's done, not just his past.
I didn't say he outed him, just called him out about not being transparent and wanting to know. That's most likely why, because he was hounding him looking for the transparency promised to us, by said person, and he wasn't being transparent.
Yeah we could have given him a chance, but it was more then just him not giving up who he was at the start that was the problem.
it's not just one thing. FA is just run on dominoes, and no ones picking the front of the line back up, before the last one falls - leading in a broken system that is a skewed image.
Or was all the info contained just to links previously posted for reddit, etc.? Cause if that's the case, I and many others on this site should have gotten similar warnings either for our comments here on this journal, or for journals that were made addressing this very issue..
Go figure, the unbalanced and corrupt FA administration strikes again!
I especially like the fact that, that note was sent by 'System Account'.... Whoever the fuck that is.... No doubt another one of Dragoneer's hidden admin lackeys. ;D
they had a post about rules and stuff and I pointed out how it feels like people where playing favs on what to enforce and what not to enforce and on who...
they started censoring most of my posts and everything and then when a staff actually tried to be nice and talk to me in private I told him about another staff that was being very rude to me and even sent him screenshots/logs
That mod found out about it and deleted all my chats with him in PM but forgot to delete the Sent parts
it's stuff like this that push's me away from using this website, and last time I checked its not against the ToS to list other sites - heck Neer has done it himself, he keeps mentioning "Sofurry and stuff"
yet if we mention say my website I.E Fluffywaddles.net I might get censored/in trouble for this :(
Clownflare is seemingly pushing the site out now to people, you have to be blind not to notice how terrible JPG's on the site have suddenly gotten in the last 2 days. Before FA just chewed up random uploads and it showed on pictures with a lot of red, now it clearly shows up on most every JPEG I come across.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15044591/ You can now see it along the lineart of this picture in the whites.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15045567/ You can see it in the checked blocking of the glow in the black
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15044556/ Compression artifacts all over this one
What do all of the three submissions have in common above? They're all JPEGs. I mean most people have LCD panels these days and not CRT's, unless you are dead on with the viewing angle of your LCD it's not hard finding how badly compressed things are. This is not an improvement.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15038053/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15032993/
These are both PNG's, notice how much sharper the linework is?
If you've uploaded images in jpeg, go back, look at them, tilt the screen a bit. Notice the really bad artifacting? Go back to your original work file, resize to the original dimensions that FA downsized your copy to and then export to PNG. Replace the image file on FA and point to this PNG, you'll notice the image suddenly looks way better, the line art and color gradients are smooth and like your original.
If you are depending on this site for $$$, I would not recommend posting in JPG format until such time that someone finds a way to ruin the picture quality on PNG as well.
This is something that started about 2 days ago. I've been using this site since it came back up 9 years ago, it cannot just be a coincidence that jpeg submissions have suddenly taken a massive dump in quality.
Better question is, why is FA still using JPEG compression to resize submissions down to under the limit.
I still get FA eating up PNGs though, as you've said too. My main issue atm is not being able to reupload images to have a bigger dimensions than 1200x1200 ? is that fixed yet?
it's very irritating
Why the random uploads are getting affected and not all of them, I'll never know.
And that's a problem really. If there is more of that stuff, it will cause more problems with Roscomnadzor, up to "we're blocking that whole site network from our country permanently, period".
Also, is it me or is the site works with minor disruptions?
Just. One. Friggin'. Person. Who shares my concerns. Or at least displays his concerns.
...This is kinda scary actually...
Yet ever since the Alertpay scandal and the fandom being ripped apart by the people responsible for it, FA has been slowly rotting away like a month old carcass in the swamp.
Now FA seems to go nuclear almost on a fortnightly basis and with this latest round of allegations the fallout can and will poison the whole site far worse than incidences of broken promises or allegations of 'misconduct'.
If something's going to be done, it needs to be done soon.
Either the Admins need to step up and deal with community concerns once and for all or step down and let someone who is willing to deal with it sort out the mess.
Sticking fingers in one's ears and singing LALALA hoping all the fuss will go away isn't going to do anything beyond sink this site further into the pit, but I have a feeling that's exactly what'll happen.. ... A crying shame, too, considering what this site once stood for and what it's devolved into now.
The problem now that is most concerning to me, is Dragoneer and FA promised TRANSPARENCY. Basically "NO MORE BULLSHIT". And that promise has been broken. Twice. Between SK and Jake the Server.
What reason does anyone have to trust anything Dragoneer or any of his staff says anymore? What reason is there to not assume that everything they tell us is a blatant, flat-out, shit-covered lie? I see no reason for anyone to even defend them anymore unless they're in on the idiocy, or they're just ignorant.
The only silver lining I see here, is that more and more people are wising up to just how fucked up Dragoneer and the staff are, and are finally banding together to call them out.
Whoops.
Just a theory as to what happened to SK.
Exactly the point.
I made no assumption, I theorized it as a possibility as to why he suddenly just "resigned".
It's been done to people before, they'd do it again.
The fairness of FA at its finest. I want you to notice what happens when you refuse to bow down to idle threats and lies. Ask for proof, and you're denied. Go ahead and ban me, do it. But you better be prepared to explain how "doxxing" is StarryKitten saying he is Zidonuke, or the harassment that you say took place. But no, you ask for proof, and you get told "we don't play that game" and then blocked. This journal clearly shows that I LET ZIDONUKE UNCOVER HIMSELF. I NEVER SAID HIS NAME BEFORE HE DID. Dragoneer also proves he cannot read. Read this, then. You cannot hide from the truth. You cannot censor the truth. You cannot block the truth. You can ban me, but I am only one of thousands asking for answers. Good luck getting all of us, Princess Piche.
Fuck this place. I'm out.
Here is Dragoneer deflecting the blame on someone else and refusing to take responsibility for his own actions.
GG 'Neer.
Plot twist: Revealing someone's alternate user account is not doxxing. Especially if it's revealing that they're a risk to the community, which is something the community HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT.
I mean, OBVIOUSLY he will accuse you of doxxing for having the guy voluntarely give away who he really is, stop HARRASING US AND DOING DRAMA YOU PUH-RICK AND LEAVE POOR NEEEEEEEEEEER THINK OF SOME BS EXCUSE OR LET THE HEAT COOL DOWN
Hell, professionals have offered to help for free and he didn't want it. I think it's time to face it. FA is rotting away before our eyes. Right now. And I'm pretty sure it's what Neer wants at this point because he knows the fandom has finally wised up to his bullshit.
The ENTIRE length of my time here has been nothing but lies. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE PISSED!
Yes FA is a privately owned site but that DOES NOT change the fact that Neer as the owner provides us with a service.
That service is allowing us to make a living and to help spread the love of art.
Neer has done nothing but make us feel uncomfortable to be here, yet we stay why is that?
It's because FA has the MOST traffic of all furry sites so once you leave it you have just abandoned
your clientele. You as the artist can move where ever you want however, you CANNOT force your
followers to do the same.
Not everyone is okay with having a multiple accounts. I can relate because I feel I should not have to have them.
The fact Neer could honestly care less about what we feel SHOULD anger you it SHOULD make you demand answers!
As I said he provides a service to us! Therefore WE THE USERS should ALWAYS come first! This is why so many other sites
are more successful!
The fact he refuses to make a public statement on the matter and instead prefers to argue like a child on twitter
should prove his immaturity.
Just remember folks when you take your car to a shop to be fixed, you are placing trust in the professionals.
You would be REALLY pissed if you went for transmission issues and when you get the car back suddenly
your car overheats to the point your head gasket blows because they damaged the radiator.
Well you come to FA feeling you should be safe from art theft and you should feel safe here.
The LAST THING YOU SHOULD EVER WORRY ABOUT ON A SITE IS THE ADMINS THEMSELVES!
They are here to make sure we are safe right?
Food for thought people.
If he waits for a while then changes the subject, we'll have to call him out on it and depend he stop sweeping things under the rug.
huh.. must be one of the mobile site bugs.
;3
about subject #2 on the list...
anything?
nothing?
...Bueller?...
This is an account on Weasyl. https://www.weasyl.com/~calypsokoalasaur
This account has nothing on the page that you should click, especially not the journals tab. Their journals over the last couple of days are nothing but baseless lies and conjecture. So you should not read them. Not ever. Please don't click on them and read them because they are harassment and phishing.
Mayhaps some slut shaming for the community for 'driving' someone away?
or;
Apologetic and hollow with promises?
But on another note, seriously where did that fund money go to the 2500 or so raised? Has it gone to make a bad dragon mold of Neer's fursona's cock so we can shove it up our asses and -truly- have the feeling of the true Furaffinity browsing experience?
God bless you sir
I know the same as you what has happened on the site, I've read all the comments and the links provided, so I'm not ignorant. I just don't agree with seeing mob bullshit and I won't leave it without saying something. It seems to me that you are enjoying that someone is getting their comeuppance. If I'm mistaken about you, and I don't think I am, it's still the rationale behind such shitty comments. It's an almost pornographic lust for punishment and to see it meted out, to the point that whatever happens is the fault of the guilty party. I not only think shit like this is excessive, but also ineffective. People don't tend to respond well to aggression; it tends to lead to standing ones ground out of spite or becoming afraid and running away. Either way it doesn't achieve much. Shit like this makes the FA community look bloody toxic, frankly.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:43216068
PS: Forgive me if linking this here seems redundant, but I want to highlight this opinion without copypasting everything (I also think your journal is quite constructive so it's an indirect link to it as well).
I'm not qualified to really say anything about Dragoneer or Zidonuke as people because I'm not even acquainted with them, let alone friends, but I also know that human beings are really good at making mistakes.
That said, this could have been handled better, but coulda woulda shoulda can only ever be said after the fact.
A mistake happens once, someone repeatedly doing the same thing over and over out of spite? That's no longer a mistake.
Also "removed", the post said he "stepped down" and was quickly removed within the hour.
But this is what people forget? A friendship, and break in an instant one fuck up between you, or your friend is very hard to live through you are not actually related to the guy you only share likes, and dislikes with him you treat your friend as someone to you as like your own family between you, and your buddy. But when shit hits the fan between you, and your buddy there are things that come to light. Hate, Rage, madness, disrespect, and anger. One wrong fuck up, or step on either on your parts means you will be at each other's throats, and trust me nobody, and I mean NOBODY! has a solid friendship where you guys are 100% buddy buddy all the time. And I don't care how much of a friend standpoint neer has to zidonuke if there is a serious fuck up in a friendship somebody will pay for it, and if Zido really hates a friend he will make them pay with whatever tools he has.
No friendship whether it's trust or not it is never fucking solid.
And it is god hard to get a friendship back to normal.
I would get a little hate, but I would get a balance of respect to fully coming clean, and also giving people proof that I did change with the brand new features that were implemented.
Has anyone ever seen shows where people did bad shit, but then 2 or 3 years later or some shit they do good and you see that they now are leaders of organizations or something? that is the approach I would want to go to introduce myself cut away that hidden identity, and actually show everyone that change is a possibility.
The great majority of the comments I see here are criticizing Dragoneer, but not abusing him. As the head admin of the website, he's going to receive criticism, especially when he makes stupid decisions, hides information, and refuses to address the community to let them know what's going on (especially while placing so much emphasis on "transparency"!).
I am one of probably hundreds of people who have been members of this site for YEARS. Nearly six for me. And over those years, I was gracious enough to give Dragoneer and the Devs chance after chance when they fucked up.
The Ferrox UI never happening? I forgave it.
Promises of folders, new site layout, time and time again? I waited patiently.
Trouble Tickets and blatant harassment going unchecked? I passed it off as "they're just busy making the site better"
Nepotism? I turned the other cheek for the most part, because it's human nature.
Donations going to seemingly nothing related to the site at all? I waited, because I thought "there's no way they'd just take money and do nothing".
And what did that get us? A Dev team and a Dev leader who have no problem hiring dogfuckers, alleged rapists, and professional hackers who have destroyed other sites in the past, all of whom the community blatantly disapproved. A Dev team that does nothing but ask for money when something goes wrong and then nothing changes when they reach their goal. I've seen the same rinse and repeat cycle of FA goes down ---> donation drive ---> nothing changes for a year ---> FA goes down ---> donation drive....etc
A Dev team that bans users for no reason and calls it censorship. A Dev team that thinks it's okay to unban people who are responsible for outright bullying and harassment without any other reason than that they "asked nicely". A Dev team that let Trouble Tickets for theft, harassment, ban evasion, and bullying, go for over a year, but have the audacity to tell us to "open a TT" if we try to note them for help personally. A Dev team that lets such harassment go on for so long without consequence that people just leave because they don't and can't feel safe on their website. People have gone as far as harming themselves because harassment and bullying went on for so long.
Being nice obviously gets nothing done with these people. I was once someone who deeply loved FA and cared about the community. But the amount of times I've been lied to, and had my privacy and safety as a user violated, has gotten me to the point where I just want this website to fucking die because I strongly feel this fandom deserves a better main hub for its online community.
Keeping this site alive is not vital to the fandom or artists. We'd all find someplace else to go and life would go on. For the better in my opinion. Not supporting FA =/= not supporting artists. Giving FA money is not supporting artists. It's supporting nepotism and deception.
I mean fuckin A, the Mods couldn't maintain full transparency for more than 2 MONTHS. We've been lied to and deceived TWICE already.
Sorry, they deserve all the flek they are getting. Because I've had enough, and so has everyone else.
First, on the "hiring" of "dogfuckers" and alleged rapists. Putting aside the incorrect usage of the plural, someone alleged to have committed a crime has not committed it in the eyes of the law. Zaush was not prosecuted, questioned by police or formally charged; there was no court case and no verdict. Sorry, but behaving as though a person has committed a crime when there are no formal proceedings involved and they haven't had their day in court is not a way to run any kind of civilized society. It's the justice system or fuck off, as far as I'm concerned. If there are problems with the justice system, which there are, then they need to be addressed properly, but going outside of it is a violation of important principles of civil liberties. As for the "dogfucker", I'm not familiar with his case completely but I'm assuming he was convicted of a crime. If this is so then he has already served the penalty for committing that crime according to the law. Any further punishments he receives beyond that for his crime are acts of INJUSTICE because he's already been punished. If you agree with punishing people after they have been formally punished then we might as well scrap judicial sentencing altogether. People deserve the opportunity to move on from what they have done in the past and I would fucking well expect the same thing if you ever did anything worthy of a sentence. Punishments are there for a reason; prolonging them is an act of malice, not justice.
As for individual staff decisions regarding unfair bans and poor handling of situations, there is something to be said here too. Not to dismiss that they are problems but people do make shit decisions and mistakes in positions of responsibility. It's easy to project conditions on to others that they must abide by but there's a difference between expecting them of others and abiding by them perfectly yourself. Depending on the information you have, your emotional state, frame of mind, experience and other variable factors, you make a decision. Sometimes the decisions you make are poor and, in hindsight, weren't the best course of action or were even completely wrong. I've been in an administrator position before and I fucked up plenty. I got more right than what I got wrong but it happened anyway. This isn't to nullify a bad decision but to face the reality that people are flawed and WILL screw up. When you factor in a site with hundreds of thousands of users, a handful of staff and a period of years, you're going to be able to total up a pretty big list of shit.
I understand perfectly why you're angry but if you take into account that the people complaining number in the hundreds and set that against the userbase of hundreds of THOUSANDS, you come out with a very small minority of people who are actively complaining about the site. Puts it into perspective, really. This isn't to say that complaints are not valid, I agree with most of them, but it's also not end-times level bullshit that is shaking FA to its core. What I'd like to see is more information about why decisions were made, because as things are it's very hard to make any kind of judgement regarding staff actions.
Image where he admits he loves dog cock: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=110.....5#.VG_zyvn3bIV
Conversation where he suggests he's going to rape a Husky that isn't even his: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=259.....5#.VG_z1vn3bIV
For someone who's certainly not a DVM, he certainly knows dog cock pretty intimately: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=axf.....5#.VG_z2fn3bIV
Leaked note from Chase where he admits to diddling animals: http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/view/9461/
He deleted the image and any and all confessions that he was a dogfucker, because Dragoneer "warned" him to stop talking about it in public, because technically FA had a rule that you were to be banned if you were a proven zoophile/pedophile/etc and God forbid he exact justice on one of his friends. All of the above proof would have been enough for permanent removal from the site were Chase a regular joe, but of course because he is Neer's friend, that didn't happen.
As far as the Zaush situation, I get that it isn't fair to keep treating him the way the community does when he was never actually convicted of rape. But the point still stands that even before the rape allegations, he was a well-known creeper. And whether anything about him was true, the community made it clear that they were not comfortable or happy about him being part of FA staff, and for good reason. And that should have been all that mattered if Neer and the Dev team cared about this community at all.
As for the unfair bans and and handling of situations? Yah sure, I know the admins are people that make mistakes. But there's a line where the unbanning of/lack of banning, and the poor handling/lack of handling situations, goes from just a simple mistake, to pure carelessness and outright stupidity. I've forgiven and turned the other cheek to plenty of injustices exacted upon FA's users, but it's gotten to the point that it just can't be written off as innocent human error, unless we're to assume that Dragoneer and the Devs are really that incompetent.
I understand that the Dev team size vs. userbase size is great, but there's no excuses here. If that's the reason for such poor site management and lack of service to the community, then they should be fixing that instead of working on this new UI. A pretty website isn't shit if you have a poor community and a poor staff. There are plenty of websites out there with a community vastly larger than FA.
And you know what? If it's too much for Dragoneer and the current staff to handle? Then let it go (No Frozen pun intended). Let the site die so the community can move on to a site where the leaders and Staff can handle it. Or hand off the site to someone who can handle it. Because if there's one truth out of all this mess, it's that Dragoneer obviously cannot handle FA correctly anymore. All he's accomplishing is digging himself into a deeper hole and losing more and more trust from the fandom. Is he going to wait until he can't even show his face at a Con before actually trying?
As for Zaush, I don't think anyone could have foreseen the backlash that occurred, it was shockingly big. I put more fault at the feet of the community for what transpired there, because frankly what a lot of people were saying was disgusting and not a single fucking person was held accountable for it. The slander of an individual like that is morally repugnant. The minority of FA users that chose to say anything at all decided they didn't want him on the FA staff, but they also behaved irrationally and aggressively, which would not result in a sympathetic response from the staff. Think to any time anyone has blown their stack at you or someone you know, did it make you want to embrace them or did it put you on the defensive? If people don't care about you, it's hard to care about them.
You've said the staff have fucked up so much that it's beyond the point of reasonable error, but since I don't have any of that data to refer to I can't really agree with you. What would constitute this "line" over which the staff has crossed? How is it established and by what criteria? Since I don't know what the level of error is, there's no way to see if the line has been crossed anyway.
Anyway, I agree that things aren't running anywhere near as they could be here; I guess it remains to be seen if anything different will happen this time, or if people really will collectively decide to go somewhere else. Not much I can do about it either way XP.
Because Chase admitted he did it. In other comments we don't have caps of (I was here for it) he said that he enjoyed it. Of course, he victim blamed a note to dragoneer. This isn't fantasy, this is someone who ADMITTED to having sex with dogs. No, you can't help being attracted to animals, but you can sure as hell refrain from raping them. Yeah, it's words, but do you know how many people get convicted because of their statements? Police don't always need forensic evidence. A statement admitting to it, to anyone, is often proof enough. Chase admitted it, he said so several times to it. I don't believe his cowed note to Neer trying to make himself a victim. It's bullshit because everything prior to that supported him saying he fucked animals and liked it.
I agree that the blacklash against Zaush got way out of hand. But people were understandably upset. Were their responses rash overkill? In some cases, yes. Did people make assumptions based off of heresay and leaked notes? Definitely. Nothing was proven on either side, so calling Zaush anything but an "alleged" rapist is wrong.
But then again I can't blame them entirely. This is a community that by that point, had already been lied to and deceived so many times. It didn't come as much as a surprise to me how people reacted. Throw in the fact that Zaush was disgustingly snide about his involvement with FA and his popularity: you've got a couple good reasons for such reactions. It doesn't justify them, but I can see why it happened the way it did.
In regards to criteria on what is the line here? Why should there even be a line. Is it not already clear enough that the line was crossed ages ago by how upset everyone is? I can guarantee you, people such as myself would not be this upset over such deception and lying were this not a common occurrence. As stated before, your apathy is exactly why it's gotten this bad. You keep making excuses for the admins, when there are literally no justifiable excuses left.
You've been here longer than me, either you've never noticed the past atrocities this Dev team has exacted upon this community for all these years, or you really are that passive. I'm sorry not all of us are like that, I spent years nodding at whatever Dragoneer and his Staff of personal buddies had to say, casting aside all doubt because I had faith in them.
The definition of insanity is performing the same act over and over and expecting a different result. Watching FA crash and trusting the Dev team over and over with money and promises of change, and actually expecting it to happen, is exactly that. I refuse to be part of the insanity any longer.
I'm just trying to be as realistic and honest as I can, so I'm trying to point out other perspectives. I could well be completely wrong, lol. Anyway, I don't trust the staff with my money or promises of change; change would be nice but I'm not dependent on it taking place. I don't personally know anyone who has been harmed by FA staff, all I hear of are cases that apparently happened, so there's nothing I could do about them even if I had the time, authority and resources. FA staff are not capable of anything I would call an "atrocity" within the sphere of a furry website. That's a word I'd reserve for something like rape, extreme violence and murder.
I can at least be thankful that you were respectable and civil throughout the debate, because Gods only know a lot of this website's userbase is not capable of that.
Remember the last time there was a donation run?
And things fell apart, promises never kept?
Remember that many said things WOULD change, and for the better?
And people said it wouldn't?
Well, let me drop this here.
' Told ya so, guys.'
If only a few big artists leave, their fans will follow. FA will empty out soon after.
People don't leave because their following is here. If there's no question they wouldn't lose their fanbase or business by leaving FA, then they would.
It's shit that we need to keep complaining for him to actually care. It's shit that the community who inhabits his "baby" of a website don't matter so much that he doesn't want to make a statement, and only begrudgingly talks to someone to clarify. This is terribly unprofessional, and makes me sick. No one else could ever get away with this gross attitude that Dragoneer has towards the people keeping his site alive. I'm constantly disappointed despite low standards. I always assumed everyone gave him a lot of flak and he wasn't that bad. Everyone wants to hate someone, it's popular to do so. But Dragoneer is showing time and time again that he doesn't care enough about this website. Sure, he may care the same way someone mentions starving kids in Africa and you go "that's really sad." but never do anything to help. It's the same fucking thing. He promises so much, and ignores it all. He never is honest. He's a liar. He's the only one making himself look bad with his bad decisions and total apathetic attitude towards people who use the site, brushing it off as drama and haters.
If there were enough people raising concerns over their layout and offering solutions to improve the user interface, then something might happen.
As is, there aren't enough people THERE for it to happen.
I'm actually really happy to see people actually moving so massively to weasyl, I prefer this site's interface a lot more. And I would say the community as well, but if the community moves to weasyl then...
Chase being a dogfucker. Zaush being an accused rapist. And, Zidonuke being an infamous hacker. (Please add to this if I've missed anyone.)
And, get this: THEY'RE ALL FRIENDS OF NEER'S! How anyone can have those kinds of people as close friends knowing these kinds of crimes and/or offenses they've committed is beyond my line of logic. And, the fact he hired them on to do this and that to the site is just the tip of the iceberg.
It really is sad that people would be more than willing to donate money to have professional, UNASSOCIATED coders and techs be hired on, yet Neer would refuse to use the money for that. Even sadder is the fact that, with the recent donation scam rumors flying around, less people will undoubtedly be putting their money towards any causes for this site.
So, we've had beast lovers, accused rapists, hackers, and liars working here. Who is going to get to work here next?
I wanted to grab examples from the Internet but obviously every poster has an attached message, so I tried to pick noncontroversial topics so that people can focus on the format.
Visually rich:
http://editorial.designtaxi.com/new.....angePoster.jpg
Straight to the point, meant to leave the explanation up to each individual sharing the poster:
http://oi37.tinypic.com/9ir6vs.jpg
If we were to make it infographic, it could be done like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-faSNc4h-c.....10-46-35-1.jpg
The apologists and outright ignorant people who think this is the perfect website are the problem.
Honestly speaking though - if enough high profile artists left, for long enough, people will eventually follow suit.
It may take time, but if there is enough of a drop in high quality art being submitted, people will notice.
For now though, I do understand your fears as an artist relying on FA for money. :C I'm hoping if I keep uploading enough on Weasyl and promoting my account, enough folks will watch and commission enough that I can be done with this drama pit.
I still someone acting rude or just questioning why I don't upload full pics here, but it's overall working. I kinda want to encourage more people to try something like that.
Sure, there will always be the naysayers who will want to go down with the ship. But, there's always more people who will eventually pop by, and fill their place in your fanbase. Possibly, you'd be doing yourself a favor by surrounding yourself with... Well, less rude people. Dah?
That'll help FA become a more attractive site to stay on... Oh wait.
Submission thumbnails to small and cropped to the point you cant see what your gonna look at.
The filenames, while shorter, dont have a numerical format you can enter into something to see its submission dates.
A lot of people i know prefer FA too, despite its problems :P
The second one, I don't really get what you mean.
The reasoning behind this is because on Weasyl you have the ability to hide your submissions from the public, so only people in your friends list (not followers) can see it. If it were in sequential order, you would still be able to see every submission by viewing them in order.
I don't get it, it literally works on /every/ browser there. http://browsershots.org/https://www.weasyl.com/
The only ones that didn't work were the browsers that had too many requests, and that's not Weasyl's problem, that's the people running the screenshots.
It's working....
Also learn how NOT to be a PR nightmare. A good starting point may be to stop hiring your friends and hire people with actual qualifications
( also not secretly hiring staff would be cool)
Like... he was ALL OVER THE PLACE during the whole Zaush fiasco, and now he's no where to be seen? Did he get sick of Dragoneer as well and quit, or get fired for not doing his job? lol
Just in case people want a bit more evidence that Nanuk Was in fact involved with the FA staff as PR and Marketing, as well as to help the site 'maintain #transparency' https://www.anonimg.com/img/ad4ed19.....1922db2272.png
Best guess, Neer didn't tell him anything, he tried keeping things under control with zero information, and as more information poured out, the hoard he tried to stave back grew bigger. He couldn't take the heat.
What FA needs is two things. One, a good PR person. Nanuk was one of those. It was not his fault that he was unable to give true transparancy. That's due to the next point.
The next point, is that we need someone honest to be running this site, and who is willing to give full transparency. Neer has shown that he is not the person to do that, or is even able to do that. He's lied, gone behind people backs, and misused donation funds ( Buying a server, and not even hooking the damn thing up, and not telling anyone. ), and only hiring people with a terrible background, or his own personal friends, or if hiring someone out of his comfort zone, not giving them the information needed to do their own job correctly.
As I've said, in each, and every, journal done here.....
#1. I've told you guys this is going to happen. IT'S HAPPENING! * Jazzhands *
#2. Neer, step down. Site's burning around you, the big red lights are flashing, it's time to stop. God damn, let someone else take the helm, before this site crashes. Better to be remembered a leader who did the right thing in the face of the end, rather than being remembered as a leader who let the place crash and burn around him, doing nothing to stop it.
Hopefully, more people who once were naysayers, that their glorious god-king Neer-san could never do any wrong, see a little bit more of the light.
Good work on digging things up by the way, and not only to you, but to everyone else. Also, great job tracking down your guy, and talking with him for a bit ( Your comment a few comments below mine, nicely sized text wall. ). It's people like you, and the others, who investigate issues, rather than blindly nodding your head away, and also consider all sides, that give me hope for this site yet.
Keep up the good fight.
Though in my opinion, it's going to take a lot more than a single PR person to to even attempt to Maybe get things back on track... Which i'm sorry(not sorry), i doubt even that is gonna be an effective fix, nor will it likely last long, given the site administration's history of internal abuse, neglect, and outright insult towards other (former)staff members/members of the community who have tried, and failed, to make progress thanks to lack of information, or freedom to do their work... =\
And that's entirely up to whether or not it's even Worth it at this point to continue trying to 'save' the cesspool that is Furaffinity... There's been too much damage, for far too long, and the community here has become several shades of divided and hostile towards one another because of it... That maybe it's just time we let it die and move on... Dragoneer's 'baby' be damned (Not even his btw.
We All, as a community deserve so much better than this... And Dragoneer has proven time and time and time again that he Does Not in fact, have our best interests at heart, and is instead, more worried about 'Owning the largest, 'most popular', furry art site on the web', and lining his own pockets, than actually improving anything for once.
Another option (whether a viable option or not, i don't know), is that Dragoneer just becomes a sort of invisible CEO (or whatever), with zero actual involvement with the development and direction of this site.. He can 'own' it all he fucking wants, so long as he's not in charge of what happens or who is hired..
I get people will be shitty to him because he owns the site. But at this point I don't feel bad for him. The community has offered to help him more than it's ever fucked him over. And for as many people shit talking him, it doesn't mean the site isn't a community that mostly wants this site to stay afloat and be better than before. I feel like he's so afraid of change and so fed up with users that he really doesn't care about the people anymore; just the site like you said. It's pretty sad that THAT'S what matters. And to make things worse, it doesn't even matter enough for him to fix it!
I had no idea he was no longer affiliated with FA (and i'm sure no one even remembers he was even involved, honestly)
There are so many issues that need to be dealt with, but nothing will be done if people are too busy throwing bottles at each other (referring specifically to "typical furry drama" here). We've got people raising legitimate concerns, people getting angry at those people for being drama furs, people getting angry at the people getting angry for making drama of legitimate issues, and so on. It has to stop.
We're a community, being lead by someone who isn't doing what's in the best interest of the community.
While that doesn't mean he should be "dethroned" so to speak, something has to be done, and fighting with each other isn't going to help with that.
Frankly, if you can't see the problems that are so blatantly obvious, you're part of the problem with this community.
2. There's a big part of the community who was in "boy who cried wolf" situation as the crowd for years. They are pissed off due to broken promises and wont' believe at all or will be extremely skeptical to anything that 'neer will tell them. I am not sure, how PR could save the situation. I feel that only actions could change the attitude.
3. Volunteers. Everyone, who has a slightest clue about Ben Anderson, Summercat stories, won't lift a finger.
I agree that circumstances being different, Zidonuke being brought aboard wouldn't have been such a big deal. Yeah people would have complained, I admit would have been worried myself. But I don't see much on fault on Zido, specially since he himself resigned after seeing "okay wtf did I got into". considering the amount of people that started switching from here to weasyl due to this mess, I wouldn't be surprised if in 2 or 3 more fiascos the amount of people remaining here would be so drastically reduced that the "lol I don't care crowd" would end up moving themselves as well to be alongside their friends and fav artists.
Also, this doesn't touch on some of the things he's blatantly lied about...so it's just more excuses from someone trying to sweep it under the rug. I know you're being impartial, and that's what you said, but I'm still upset. Yes, this drama could have been averted if Dragoneer sat down. But now this isn't just about Zidonuke anymore. This is about FA cheating its users and lying about funds. This is about transparency being likened to a steel wall. This whole situation is quite frankly disgusting and has uncovered things that as a community, you're right that we deserve a damn answer for.
Don't talk about it and it'll go away.
Neer if your reading this (and i dont see why since you dont know your own site well)
Your the reason why this is all happening
How about you let me use TOR then? ffs why I gotta bother with proxies? Why the fuck everyone is fucking blocking tor anyway, putting anal-captcha? If there's no big reason for that then you guys are no different from govt people.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....6#cid:43128684
Continue going to a steady job
Set up my network to use Class A
Set up a second Debian server
Pass a PT test
etc. etc
It doesn't take that long to write a comment lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comm.....scussion_hall/
To all those wondering "and what do we do now?", this is an opportunity to discuss it (over there preferably).
tldr; same shit as every other update thread.
Same shit as every update thread = broken & empty promises from neer, money being wasted, being lied to, and the same reel of highly legitemite concerns for the website being compleatly ignored, people with very shady backgrounds who are in neers circle jerk being hired as coders/admins and neer being very hush hush about it, etc etc (we both know if we listed everything wrong with this place we'd have spent enough time to actually recode the whole website)
Given neers latest escipades I have genuinely got to the point of knowing nothings gonna get through that thick digimon skull. Let the site burn to the ground around neer. Let him do that when he's been offered 40k from a group of furs who genuinely want to improve the site (and would keep him on what would be a board of management)
10/10 would read again.
What's he got to lose at this point. No one else seems to be doing the problem, and his image is so tarnished, i wouldn't put it passed him doing so and claiming it was 'He All Along' who made the 'amazing new UI' to FINALLY make progress on the site.
And unfortunately, continuing to use this site in any aspect, only serves to prove Dragoneer's point that the userbase is complacent, and will let him steam roll over us all.
I understand that FA is the largest, 'most popular' furry art site, but there are other, better run, alternatives, and everyone knows that.
Not only that, but Dragoneer wouldn't instill an electoral system for the simple fact that he KNOWS that if given the chance to vote, the growing numbers against him would vote to launch him into the sun if possible.
What makes you think that even with an electoral system, the current powers in charge (Dragoneer), given their repeated show of incompetence, nepotism and corruption, would allow someone who the community (which up to this point, has been vastly ignored) voted for, to even affect positive change in the long run anyway? The track record is this... Anyone who actually has good intentions (That isn't a close personal friend of Dragoneer), and has tried helping the site, has either been harassed internally and driven out, or prevented from doing their work to the best of their ability in the first place because they were undermined every step of the way.
The reason that this site will continue to be relevant and a 'central hub' for the community, is because far too many people have decided they'd like to continue being oblivious to the problems that this site has endured for almost a decade, and refuse to go elsewhere 'Because FA has the largest user base', 'All me friends are here', 'All the artists are here' etc, etc....
FA's popularity and status of being the largest furry art site on the net, is a title that FA has abused and used to their advantage since Dragoneer came into power in '07. As i said in a comment previously;
'Dragoneer's 'baby' be damned'
Only because of the people who continue using this site blindly despite the evidence that has been presented in the past, present and more than likely (relatively near) future, rather than keeping informed on the state of affairs that the administration has put us in, will FA continue to be relevant.... And it shouldn't be.
FA has had it's time in the sun, and because of the direction Dragoneer has been forcing us in, it is going to burn to a crisp just like Icarus' wings.
And i'll be honest, if you Do have dirt on Dragoneer or FA... I'd love to hear it, as would a lot of other people, i'm sure. I kinda wish you would just go full out and tell what you know, but i can understand if that's asking too much. We can't let ourselves be drawn to pulling the same kind of dishonesty that Dragoneer's been putting us through for nearly a decade.. So i respect your decision to keep things disclosed to you to yourself, even if i wish you wouldn't, as i believe the people deserve to know, more than Dragoneer deserves the privacy and security of us not knowing..
(sorry as well for the mediocre response, i've had a long, draining day, and i'm tired... and honestly, disillusioned and disheartened by all of this as it's unfolded over the last several days)
it's not just you guys.
I agree 100%! A list of everything bought with or without the donation money of any donation with pictures should be posted.
If you can tweet every 30 minutes to an hour, you have plenty of time to do something.
Someone needs to learn what responsibilities and obligations are.
'Duuuuh what money?' :B *plays WoW in newly decorated house*
*The koala is still recovering from the psychological trauma*
Time's ticking, Neer, and your community is getting impatient.
I was part of the latter for the majority of my time here.
I don't even know why I even act surprised. He has no excuse anymore, Neer has time to fart around on Twitter, but not address concerned users of a community he apparently "loves" about a site that's his "baby"
Pitiful.
He promised transparency and no more bullshit, and it's been violated twice in a span of two months. What reason do we have to even believe what he says unless he can post undeniable proof? The only way I think I would take anything he says without side-eyeing him, is if he actually admits he's wrong, what he's done/hasn't done is wrong, he screwed up, and he leaves. Give this site to someone who actually cares.
But we all know that won't happen.
My great great grandchild just had her second oldest finish medical school and I'm finally posting this comment... now, excuse me while I go get fitted for a coffin... the Grim Reapers been nice and waited for me to finish reading
Comment to this comment, if you feel that he needs to either change things, or that he needs to step down.
Let's truly see how many of us are in this ' Vocal Minority '. If it's a great enough number, well.....
We might just get a response. Hard to ignore a large comment lineup.
I'm angry and shit needs to change. Way back when, I did donate to FA with hopes it would build a better community for our online friends. And I feel swindled.
Dragoneer needs to step down, there's no other option for him anymore besides continuing to lie.
Dragoneer wants to keep gripping on this broken, convoluted mess of a site because "i'll lose my popularity if I do!"
If i was in his shoes, I rather be known as "Dragoneer, the one who once moderated/owned FA " than "The ignorant furry who shouldn't be trusted to do things as it will never get done."
but hi
-raises paw-
How do you expect artists to stay when they're not able to have a professional relationship with their clients because of failing service and down time that could easily be fixed.
Why would someone donate to something that isn't up to par, when they could spend it elsewhere. Fa is under the line because it's not being managed properly.
We deserve so much better on this website, and with him in charge, this website getting better is obviously not going to happen given the almost decade he's been in control of it.
As i've said twice now, if the public actually had a vote in the matter, I'm fairly certain we would have voted to eject him into the sun by now.
...I really wish I could just up and leave. This place is a shit hole. But all my customers are here, and I don't have many as it is. UGH.
And thank you <3
It's in bad taste to just leave us hanging
I've been on FA for quite a few years now and nothing has changed really in all the time I've been here. Whether we're talking about the outdated site itself or the shifty administration. There need to be big changes made to how the site is run or it needs to be handed off to someone who knows how to run a site of this size.
Either way, things need to change.
I do think what happened in this journal is a good thing, though, because it finally convinced me, and many others, that bad shit has been happening for a long time and hasn't changed. Before this I thought Neer was just misunderstood, somehow.
I just don't get why he won't say anything or do anything that ISN'T to make this place worse...
Give us some damn answers, Neer
Course neer can do wtf he wants. I hope this site burns around him to nothing.
I moved to weasyl explicitly because of this last round of drama. I really do hope that FA can manage to become a better website, but until that happens I'm not comfortable using it.
Knowing how things like this go though, I bet the price would be absolutely ludicrous -..-
He will not sell this website, for the simple fact it's the only thing that makes him relevant in this community. That and he'd get banned from his own wesbite.
After all, if he wants 25k he can just ask here and people handle it to him... *sigh*
we should aim for at least 300000. I don't think he'd turn that down, yeh?
Not to mention, we'd need to find, elect, and put in place a brand new staff from the ground up.
Soooo... Any thoughts on who to pick? Cause unless they're qualified to run a site of this scale, which Dragoneer obviously isn't, we'll more than likely have a repeat of nepotism and incompetence. Unintentional as it may be with the new owners.
Add to that, the current condition of the site's code would require a competent, and Trust-Worthy coding TEAM just to un-jumble the clusterfuck that the code obviously has become.. And I'm sorry, but even with as many people who are willing to help re-code the website from the ground up for free, I personally wouldn't trust any of them to do it and actually do a good enough job. The lack of payment of Furaffinity's Past and Present coders is just one of the many problems with this site as we've all become painfully aware of...
My personal opinion, is that we should all forget about buying FA out, and just move to a different hub and let this website die and allow a newer, better site to take it's place, rather than cling to it like some sort of diseased childhood memory.
I understand a lot of us not only owe FA for bringing us into the fandom in the first place, but for introducing us to many of our friends, mates and fantastically talented artists from around the world...
But those friends and artists can easily be found/move elsewhere and are not bound by this site except by perceived notions that they either can't remain in contact with their friends/fan base Except by using FA, or the fact that they NEED FA for their livelihood..
It's time to wake up folks, and set aside our nostalgia and dreams for what we wish FA to be, and just let it die with what little shred of dignity it has left... almost 10 years FA has been around (Jan 16th will mark it's 10th birthday).... That's a decade of use, and almost a decade of utter neglect and bastardization behind the scenes (Dragoneer took over FA from Alkora in 2007). How long are we expected to sit here and watch as Dragoneer deceives it's user base, and continually makes bad decisions for the community at large??
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6292315/
Still nothing was said on what the money will be spent on (assuming it wasn't already heh).
I know people are ready with their pitchforks trying to get a slice of dragon meat for themselves, but really I don't think that will get neer to come here.
From what people say of him, any and every comment on his person that is there to put blame or to get info on any shady thing that he might have done will just be ignored.
It makes me wonder if we can't just let him have the site with someone else taking care of it...
What I mean is, making a way to get this website on a better state, find a better way to monetize it and let neer just have his money and the status of running things.
Anything other than that sounds just as wishful thinking.
Other than this all you can do is go to court because of the donations (current and past ones) and get ownership from the website from him in some sort of legal way.
Neer as a person has full control about anything on this website. He can hire anyone he wants and just screw us if he sees fit. He also has control to database and data he can do whatever he wants with.
I even have my doubts if we can complain about how the money spent through donation was spent depending on how that was handled.
No real encryption or security levels and all...
What I mean is, if Neer was to step down someone would have to take charge.
That someone would also have access to everything anyway.
So I'd just rather keep Neer and have someone fix things (like adding security levels and database protection and all) while the ol' dragoon keeps the status of owner of the boat.
Better than getting nothing out of it...
Two words.
Ben Anderson.
Tried just that. It alllllll went to shit. Neer elected to paste in his own representative, and it went belly up from there.
Ben Anderson.
It was someone else initially. I was just the one who became vocal.
This is just speculation, do not take this as fact.
Neer had a $10,000 tax bill.
Shortly after the donation drive ended, Neer and Skiggles moved house. Meaning his $10k debt was gone so a bank would give him a loan/mortgage. He would've also had to have paid a deposit on the house.
He's been buying up random bits and bobs according to his twitter, including a deposit for a hotel for some convention and plane tickets.
So he went from a $10k tax bill on reddit to complaining about the movers he hired on twitter touching his fursuit heads and being all giddy about his new full size Rocket Raccoon cit-out and plane tickets.
That, to me, does not smell right in the slightest. Donation money for the website? I don't think so.
Dragoneer needs to give us a full breakdown of his accounts, or else this could be seen by many as damming evidence.
I was just commenting on the irony here.
The only thing transparent here is that the people who donated the money were deceived.
That much is crystal clear.
He isnt gonna give us a break down because he doesn't have a clue what he is doing. If he did there wouldn't be a 10k tax bill for fA (which i highly doupt is the fA tax bill because that would involve either extreme long term neglect (like 10 years worth) or this site makes a hella lotta money that neer is keeping quiet about.
Let's get more people on that comment thread, and get our word heard. Make it perfectly clear that we can organize, and that we are not a ' Vocal Minority '!
starrykitten is joining the Dev/Ops team to help us better organize our tech efforts, improve site performance, answer tech/bug-related tickets and bring more transparency to what we're doing (all good stuff that's sorely overdue). To that end, we're making our bug/dev tracker public. This will help users know what we're focusing on and monitor progress and improvements.
thats why i say that
I can understand making that mistake though, had a ton of stupid moments like that myself
What he 'instigated' was only the concerns of FA users and getting them noticed.
Fuck FA. This place is full of shit.
Hey Neer, you spelled "Outing you for your fucking lies" wrong.
Fuck it, might as well kick the bucket myself since I haven't seen anyone on this page link this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/.....ilebasic?pli=1
Analysis of spending habits. Enjoy, FA~
If I'm banned, it doesn't really matter. All the people I talk to, I can contact through other websites, or skype.
During the whole Exodus fiasco, as well as several other instances, Dragoneer wouldn't ban people who were clearly bullying/harassing others because most of it was "offsite" (Which is shitty because at least banning them from FA would give them one less portal to attack their victim, plus it would promote safety for other users)
But he banned Mander for things she said offsite.
Dragoneer what the serious fuck is wrong with you, you hypocritical Cheetoh-stained shitbed.
Where in the TOS does it say "No dictionary definitions allowed". Lol.
Don't like being provoked, do ya Neer?
As far as FA is concerned, you can harass others on Twitter as much as you want. As long as what happens on Twitter stays entirely on Twitter, you don't get banned from FA.
If even the tiniest drop of that harassment spills onto FA, however, that's when the FA banhammer comes down.
In Mander's case, it wasn't the FA shout that got Mander banned. It was the fact that the shout was a continuation of days of constant harassment on Twitter. (Also, we don't know whether that was the only shout or not. We don't see deleted shouts.)
That's what I think happened here.
(For the same reason, it's okay to post anti-Neer propaganda on a Weasyl page, but as soon as someone starts spamming links to that page all over a certain FA journal, that counts as both FA harassment and spam. Ergo, ban.)
Neer would probably confirm this, if he can find the time in between all the other things he's trying to do all at once. He's got the Zidonuke fiasco to explain and apologize for, he's still got to fix some parts of FA that broke during the hosting switch (hence the current DB maintenance, maybe?), I'm sure he's slowly working on that transparency thing as well... and he's also got a full-time day job. Can we really blame him for being too swamped to respond to this "total clusterdrama" as quickly and verbosely as we would like?
(And yes, this "offsite harassment" policy should probably be clarified on the Code of Conduct page.)
Now, we still have every right to be mad at Neer. I just want to make sure it's for the right reasons! (And boy howdy, we still have lots of valid reasons, right? Right?)
My last post was in response to:
Or since when is shouting in someones' page "harassment"? Was he that offended by a definition?
We can't and don't want to control what people do elsewhere on the web, but we can tell people to keep it off FA.
(Disclaimer: This clarification is regarding policy in general and should not be interpreted as a statement about Mander's suspension, which will not be discussed with third parties for privacy reasons.)
Staff: Nope, sorry. Can't do anything about that. Disruptive, abusive people are allowed to be here as long as they aren't doing it on our personal playground.
*Someone criticizes FA on Twitter*
Staff: INSTA BAN
you transparent yet?
My main system always run ghostery to stop advertisement tracking aswell as adblock to block ads generally. Id like to know what specifics peeps are getting. If their antivirus detects it it should pop up with the source location and such (well avast does anyway)
I have avast aswell as spybot and malware bytes running along side the windows 7 firewall. I might switch a few things off to see if avast alone picks anything up from fA.
but you can already guess why it's still not fixed. : http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comme.....rama_part_iii/
tl;dr (note, I don't know these users being mentioned, so pardon me.:
[8:22:08 PM] Rowdy(s) the Crux: Were you the one who exposed the bug where you can embed the logout page in an image?
[8:22:45 PM] Illuminasky: Yes,
[8:22:51 PM] Illuminasky: I also exposed the Malware to Image bug,
[8:22:56 PM] Illuminasky: the bug that killed the Thumbnail Servers
[8:23:03 PM] Illuminasky: the bug that killed the Image servers.
[8:23:06 PM] Illuminasky: Nameless Posts
[8:23:15 PM] Illuminasky: Registration DDOS exploit
[8:23:50 PM] Rowdy(s) the Crux: How many of those are still there? I had helped Neer try and fix the logout one but he eventually stopped replying to me
[8:23:56 PM] Illuminasky: All of them.
[8:24:05 PM] Illuminasky: Nothing has been fixed.
I got a bunch of malware on a brand new computer after visiting FA last week. FA was the only site i had attempted to access, and it was on a secure and private home network. I got hit with a ton of weird popups (not the usual banner ads, popups that would instantly reappear when i clicked them off) and got nervous and shut the computer down. I didn't use it again until a friend of mine went to install some software and found a shitton of malware. I don't know how it got there, but FA was the only site I went to. I don't know if that's just a coincidence. I'm not a techy person, so please forgive me if i sound dumb.
weird, my comment appeared randomly in the middle of the comment string. hopefully you actually got the notification XD
Do like Weasyl still, though.
Given those differing opinions, I'm starting to understand why an organized exodus hasn't happened yet.
*you can search for it using my nickname, since I have few posts here.
SoFurry looks closer to FA so people might warm up to it easier.
InkBunny has a more light theme and more features than FA, so that's what I like. But people don't want it because of the politics towards cub stuff. But so furry also allows it, so both would be off the table.
Weasyl does not allow it, but it's too dark and though it has more features than the rest I think that the website looks convoluted and hard to navigate.
If there was a cleaner, more minimalistic look to Weasyl I'd like that website more.
If there was a cleaner, more minimalistic look to Weasyl I'd like that website more. "
If enough people asked for it, it is plausible that they coule streamline the user interface a bit more, or that an alternative theme could be created at some point.
It's all just a matter of getting enough people to ask ^^
Personally I don't care which of the three websites is chosen, I'll probably sign up on all three (already on Weasyl)
Let us take a moment and contemplate: A site with smaller population will accommodate the influx of members better due to the fact that it still is in the process of building a growing community, therefore, "newcomers" (people from the influx) will have an easier time growing a name, a significant presence for themselves there.
And let us not forget the fact that joining on the least populated site will reward you with the opportunity to actively take part in something of a much more rewarding grandeur as you can take part in the growth of that website, that community. It is like being the first colonists to an empty plot of land, they will build the foundation to come.
What I want to say is, that a least populated site gives people the opportunity to activate and help shape a furry community that is devoid of all the things we hate and scorn not only inside the FA's community, but the furfandom universally as well.
Therefore, I concur with your initial thoughts, Weasyl is a sound choice. Lack of initial memberbase shouldn't be discouraging. Why refuse the chance to help something grow?
The other question is (let me take this opportunity to ask you): is it more important to take people out of FA, or to bring people into a different place?. I lean toward the former, as an statement of principle.
What do you think?.
Sure, B does not necessarily mean A, but it's basically a choice of "Option 2, all of the above, or none of the above" :3
For what it's worth, I think the former is important.
Taking people out of FA:
1.- The destination could be any other community.
2.- Or even no community.
Bringing people to another community:
1.- People could make a 2nd account without moving out of FA.
2.- I was talking about a specific community, so I wanted to imply that spreading people over 3 different places was not the desired goal.
As if we don't have a bad enough reputation as is, if anyone analysed FurAffinity's community, they'd realize many people in the community just "roll over and take it" so to speak.
While it would be preferable for most people to move to the same location, even just moving everyone to random websites is still a win for most.
Naturally, leaving FA as a form of protest retains the most importance, as it's not only the course of action we take out of principle but also something through which we express that we do not accept getting ourselves trampled.
However, what would discourage people to perform such an exodus would be the fact that they wouldn't know what to do afterwards. We leave FA, marvelous, perfect, oh quite, splendid! But then... what then? A lot of people depend financially on FA through one way or another (I will not dabble into the details of various enterprises, ambitions, projects and so on). Offering people the alternative of another site will prove as an encouragement for them to act. There are hundreds other equal (if not better) alternatives to FA, why allow ourselves trampled and humiliated when we can easily leave and resume business over any other site as if nothing happened?
The prospect of a smaller community/website (such as Weasyl) can be even more encouraging specially because it is a small community and that allows it the room to grow, that gives the members of the "exodus" to make something proactive, to shine in that new community. Give them opportunities that they cannot apprehend here!
But, to properly answer your question, yes, I concur with you: Demonstrating FA that we do not accept humiliation by leaving it in protest is of utmost importance. However, we should also ask ourselves the question of "What shall we do afterwards, after we protested?" And here, the solution is the migration towards another site. Because if we do solely the "leaving part" then we will be the only party harmed here, as we'd castrate ourselves from the community we were part of. Leaving in protest AND going to another website assures us that no negative outcomes will adhere to us (other than starting on a much smaller popularity than we had on FA, though I presume this to be an easily circumvented disadvantage as it is a matter of common sense, sensibility for the member of an organized movement to keep contact with one another)
Personally, another reason why I find Weasyl the most reasonable choice is that I heard rumours of other furry websites to go a tad over the top with "cub-art" and going borderline, if not even outright, pedophilia. I am not certain that these rumours are true or not (someone, please, enlighten me) but it is enough for me to hear rumours of such abhorrent insidiousness to disdain the idea of venturing in those websites. The sheer thought that I may share an environment with a pedophile makes me hang my lungs with a crowbar.
Further more, if you have a problem with someone's commission prices, you're better off keeping your mouth shut about it and not commission the person in the first place. It's not only rude, but pointless, because artists have their prices set the way they do for a reason, and that's to make money. Not to please ever self entitled furry out there with a penny pinching problem.
Yep, right after Friday the 21st, when they finished their little updating.
I'm reeeeeeally getting sick of this place.
Your new UI is not being worked on minus one person as seen on git hub. The site lags off and on. There are tons of issues happening and Neer can't address a single one. Clearly he is the perfect website owner.
But the future refused to change...
And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see,
Now I know why, Now I know why, things aren't as pretty,
on the inside."
Only - Nine Inch Nails
I love how he picked a fight with me, and as soon as I pointed that out, he stopped talking. What a dick sock.
If anyone has access to the code they also have access to the database and everything else.
So they'd rather hire someone they are close to and trust personally to meddle with the code.
Not saying it's a good idea or justifiable, just stating how much of a mess the website tech is...
Probably not gonna happen ever.
It doesn't solve problems with HDs which seem to be the problem with fA hardware since it always needs replacements, and it also stress a lot the CPUs and memory of the servers.
Node.js is not suited for content driven applications (like a website about art) and should be avoided on cases like this.
Also the time and resources used to create something like fA from scratch (and then transfer everything else to this new website) would be MUCH better used on cleaning up existing code and adding new features here... That is, provided resources and time is even being spent on those...
Node.js could be great for the server side part of the website. But the client side of the website will barely make use of it.
They could really add a LOT of cool stuff here and make quite some decent money from it, but they are just missing the opportunity and making do with what little works.
Any kind of improvement seems a bit far-fetched right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44
http://imgur.com/a/1zEya
http://imgur.com/a/85ShP
Information was provided by
http://fri-gate.org/ru/
We don't even get that.
Anyway, how is this document going to prove expenses? Will it include images or screen caps of receipts? Or will we just have to trust what Neer says? I imagine it's only going to be text format. Perhaps you could get an excel sheet written up or something.
Maybe it would be in FA's best interest to hire an accountant.
And hire an accountant? Ha - the guy can barely manage site infrastructure, hiring an accountant just means he's going to have to be accountable for the donations he receives. Which, in turn, means he's going to have to buck up and actually make good on all the promises he's made instead of just ignoring it and sweeping it under the rug. In long and short: hiring an accountant means he's going to have to break his winning streak at doing fuck all, and he won't be able to trickle funds from FA to his pocket, which means you can wave goodbye to ever seeing anything even resembling accountability.
And... just... ugh. No. The amount of wrong decision making on behalf of Neer is outstanding. :U I don't get it. Is common sense hard? Is common DECENCY to treat your patrons with respect hard? I don't think anyone can even say the fandom started it because it seems like this whole mess was a long time coming. Dragoneer should honestly be worried because despite the fact that people need this site right now, I don't think it's going to be for much longer.
A huge part of me wants to see FA crash and burn into nothing, but a small part of me is so frustrated with how this is being done and handled that I want to at least attempt to volunteer to help. @___@ All the professional coders who have been using this site seeing all the wrong moves being made must be flabberghasted, especially since Neer never takes on anyone but hackers and dog diddlers. :U And here I am, a person who has gone through college for administration (INCLUDING ACCOUNTING) sitting here with the most annoying urge to just organize the shit out of this stupid place.
If you value your sanity, that is...
What as the added value of mentioning who the new coder is anyway?
It was quite expectable that people wanted to dox the person or emotionally feed him/her/it to lure information from that person to make doxing possible and go mad when something fishy was attached to that person.
It's the same as a supermarket presents a list of names of cleaners and supplystock-workers. I don't need that information, because they aren't going to help me anyway! Only the cashiers and stock-fillers will.
The fact that the person was a security/privacy risk, especially with his background and the amount of access he had to the database files is very warning.
On the real world, sure. We don't have to know the names of the workers at the store or anything.
You know why? Because the employers run a background check on the workers and don't hire anyone who is potentially dangerous to either costumers or the company.
The problem here is that even though 'Neer did the background check he proceeded to hire someone who WAS a potential threat and then proceeded to HIDE that fact right on a topic talking about "transparency".
That person could have done anything with our private information while he had access to the database. We can't even be sure for how long he had that access.
It was said that he was hired now to code, therefore did not have access prior to it. But then it was said that he was working for over an year. We don't know if that's just so we can believe that he wouldn't do anything because it was not done so far, or if it is the truth.
We know nothing about how things are being handled and that is the biggest trouble here.
We have a CLEAR lack of transparency here. Even though we keep being told that's important and they are working on it...
Just look at ANY of the Twitter links here. They are basically ALL showing how much 'Neer doesn't give a damn.
So… that sentence was relatively long and… just to make sure: you didn’t by any chance mean “[…] and may result in the removal of existing submissions and journals”, did you?
It just potentionally impacts the removal of content which just means that you sometimes can’t delete something over the course of the maintenance, right?
Did someone change something they shouldn't have when they had access to database/code? Gee...
..or a complete fuck up of the code.
Also why the sudden maintenance posts immediately after Starrykitten claims to leave?
Why haven't they kept any of their 188 promises? http://imgur.com/a/85ShP
Or why they say they are a website that provides us with a service yet they do nothing but make us feel
unwelcome and uncomfortable to be here?
*Just because this is a privately owned website does not excuse the fact they provide
users with a service. They should be making sure we are taken care of and that we are happy
instead they bring on questionable staff and ignore the real issues of the site.*
Also why they feel the need to upgrade the looks of the site instead of FIXING it?
Or why they keep refusing to bring on TT *only* staff when we were told before that was going
to become a thing. Also why they won't hire people like myself who CAN dedicate HOURS to the site
answering TT's. I have offered numerous times since I used to do the same thing on Furcadia.
Right now I don't have a job and I could literally sit here and work on those, oh well I suppose.
I want answers real bad since I have been here almost since the beginning.
Any artist can move to another site but that does not mean their followers will.
Also what was said that Zaush doesn't code, therefore there shouldn't have been ANY progress on project Phoenix. (and why that seems like worth even pursuing, as I can point a number of reasons why the project is a bad idea)
Would also need a bit of explanation and plans regarding the malware on submissions and other problems people were having the last month.
I'd really enjoy having the definition of the term "Transparency" on Neer's dictionary too and in what context and meaning it is being used here in these journals as there are countless things that we were not told officially just on this one incident, not even counting others.
Not only that but the amount of promises made and deadlines for upgrades that never showed up even over 5 years later.
While he is at it he could also explain the meaning of life and how many fingers am I holding up?
-I said I was going to make an announcement?
https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....99595529232384
By recent, he means two weeks old.
" Why didn't I awnser? Saving this kitty."
" Why didn't I have time to awnser your questions, but time to get into small slap fights? Saving this kitty. "
" Why is the site maintenance not done yet? Saving this kitty."
" Why is everything burning riight now, and people are getting pissed at me? Well I j ust saved a kitty, and people are mad about it. Hey new people, look! These old guys are mad because I saved a cat! Dion't listen to them! And if you do, their argument has no merit, so just go ' LALALA ' really loud, like I do! "
EA once used Gays as a shield, during a few of their big crisis. ' See? They don't hate our games ' they said. ' They hate the gays! '.
Dragoneer will probably be pulling this. ' See? They don't hate the site, they just hate this poor, defenseless, cute kitty! Shame on them! '
You're supposed to give an estimate at least 4 times superior to the real amount of time it'll actually require so it makes you look awesome. You're NOT supposed to give an estimate 4 times inferior to the real deal because it'd make you look bad.
My journals and submissions are not appearing to my watchers.
But, if you want to be nitpicky, HL2EP2 released in 2007.
So, technically, we've been waiting longer for a major overhaul of the site, than HL3.
Only difference is that DBZ can actually finish it instead of ass dragging and making shit stains all the way.
'Tune in next week when Dragoneer is REALLY going to think about posting up an explanation or whatever! Will he do it?! TUNE IN TO FIND OUT!' *Electric guitar rift*