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The person isn't snubbing their watchers. They're choosing their own value. I don't see the purpose of this journal beyond pettiness. If people are willing to pay the set price then that's what the product is worth. An artist doesn't actually owe people anything for watching them. We are definitely appreciative of people for following our work, but nothing is owed for the click of a button. It's a bad mentality to get into and I'd suggest avoiding it.

This whole journal is extremely passive aggressive.

To sum up my point: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme.....6beaacee74.png

I can't say I agree with the passive aggressive opinion. It's simply an opinion, I already pointed out previously that worth is subjective, obviously if people will pay it, then that is what it is worth to them.

HOWEVER. I still maintain that I personally feel it looks a little less than considerate when an artist charges as much for a batch made, simple piece as they will for one that obvious time and effort was put into.

If people will buy it, good for the artist. I am thrilled they can support themselves with their craft. While I am not of the opinion people are owed just for watching, remember I am an artist as well so Ive heard a lot of the same sob stories and begging and complaining most of us have.. I also recognize that the only reason I get anywhere with selling art is because of the people who choose to support me and I DO feel I owe them something for spending their time and money on me.

I've always admired you as an artist and welcome alternate opinion and debate, but I hope you appreciate your own irony at telling someone to mind their own business on their own journal ;).
Pretty sure we can discuss a topic without being petty about it.

A journal you have posted into a public space with comments enabled, thus, intentional or not, inviting dialogue.

At the end of the day artists have to prioritize their work. Commissions, patreons and profit will always need to be at the top of that list if they are supporting themselves with their art. It's not being ungrateful to their followers, it's very simply a matter of business required to keep oneself in the black.

What I take issue with is the fact that this journal seems to be demeaning successful artists for having built their brand and profiting from it. And yes, I know you're going to say something along the lines of "Well that brand wouldn't exist without the watchers, so they owe the watchers something!" and no, they do not. We work damn hard to build our brand and earn a client base. Notice I said "earn", there. It is not something given to us for free. We work for each and every follower we get. We do not owe them anything for free beyond the art we're already posting for free.

It's also worth noting that the vast majority of people running a business as an artist have also gone through higher education to gain the skills and knowledge required for success. It's not unreasonable to seek to make profit after putting in that amount of time and money to learn these skills.

Perhaps we might owe our audience more if we were to have a similar adsense service as Youtube users do, but we do not actually gain anything through views or favourites.

Already stated I invite dialogue, You seem to be missing a few aspects of my posts and hyper focusing on others. The ONLY reason I took an issue at all with you is how you chose too approach it. I enjoy debate, I enjoy being offered an alternate view point or even being corrected of a misconception. Being snarky and shitty about it and telling me to mind my own business while you're clearly doing the opposite, is neither helpful nor invited.



I think I need to correct something though, and it might be my fault through original wording though I thought I had touched on it in the post previous.
I dont think anyone is owed anything for free, or within in a certain price range. What I was getting at, in my long winded attempt to keep from rambling... Is I feel like pricing work that took twice as much time and care as work that was batch made to toss out quickly, is the same as charging the same for bulk product vs handmade.
The mentality that I project behind that is "I dont need to put the effort into it, people will pay for it to say they have something by me"
Now, you seem to be taking this pretty personally by saying "we" a lot. I am am artist as well, I draw daily, for hours. I do commissions, I do adopts. I struggle with pricing and with all the touchy little bullshit we sometimes get from people who dont have that commitment. So I say all this from an artists perspective, not a watchers.
I can count the number of people I have seen do, what I'm talking about, on one hand and have fingers left over.

I get what you're saying, its their right to price however they feel like. It's their right to toss together something half assed and put the same $$ on it as something they took care with. You're entirely correct, it is.
but it is kind of bullshit.
And considering the majority of the community includes time and effort into their pricing, I don't think I'm all that misplaced in my perception.