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HTTYD3 and Anxiety *possible spoilers*
7 years ago
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I am going to start off by saying that this journal might end up containing SPOILERS
So, I am not sure where to begin with this exactly... I suppose that I will start off by saying that I realize this is just a movie and that I am being very irrational. This journal is more of a way to help me cope with the anxiety I am experiencing. I have talked to a few people that are feeling the same way I am right now, so it helps knowing that I am not alone with this. The furry community has always been the most supportive and understanding group of people I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. That is why I feel so comfortable even writing this. It is never easy to admit you are feeling so vulnerable over such a silly thing...
So, to get right into what it is exactly that is bothering me. Its the third movie in the How To Train your Dragon franchise. Since the poster and trailer dropped last year I have been experiencing distress over it. In fact if you read the last journal I posted ( and yes I know I dont post a lot of journals) then you probably get the direction I am coming from. Nothing I am about to say is meant to rag on the movie or devalue it in any way. I highly respect the team and director for everything he has done with this franchise. Dreamworks is clearly treating this as their "Flagship" trilogy to compete with the likes of Pixar and Toystory. However, the anxiety I am feeling right now is all stemming from what I have seen and read about the movie so far.
Possible spoilers below so please stop reading now if you are worried about that.
This third movie is all about sacrifice. At least that is what it is feeling like. Sacrifice and growing up, letting go of the things you love the most so they can flourish. Giving up dragons and the idea that humans and dragons can coexist together. I realize that the books have more or else ended on the note that " dragons are gone" now. So this movie is reaching for that goal. But if just feels so , forced, compared to the first two movies. What I loved and identified with in the How to train your dragon movies was that belief that we are stronger together. That dragon and human are much better off with one another. That friendship goes beyond everything else. I know that traits of this are going to be seen in the third movie, but the idea of dragons and humans having to separate in the end just goes against everything the first two movies taught me.
The introduction of the lightfury has been a big source of a lot of this anxiety as well. She is like a double-edged sword. I like her design and the idea of toothless being able to save the nightfury race. But I hate the idea of the female dragon coming between hiccup and toothless. She obviously hates humans and doesn't trust them, which puts a strain on toothless and hiccups relationship. What makes it even harder is that this is the cause of the separation in the end. Humans hunt dragons, thus they have to go away and hide. Dragons don't trust humans and that adds to the decision. The first movie showed that hiccup was able to bridge that gap and connect with dragons. He tamed toothless, he proved the impossible. The second movie only emphasized that bond and how strong it was. To believe that he cant tame a lightfury, or dragons in a HiddenWorld just makes it even harder to accept. If anything, the vikings of berk would be able to live in the hidden world given how passionate Hiccup is about dragons.
So if you have stuck with me, read all that, and are lucky enough to have seen the movie...then I would love your input on this. I could be wrong about things I have said, and I would love to be. Everything I have to go on at the moment is from wiki articles and friends that have seen it already. On a side note, what the fuck is with it coming out so damn early over seas :P Anyway, again what I am trying to say in this journal isn't that I am mad, hate, or upset with this movie. Its just something I feel I need o get off my chest, to help me move on. Dragons are a big part of my life and the First How to train your dragon movie was one really close to my heart. As silly as it is to get so attached to a film, I did and the emotions are real. Life goes on and so do we. This movie wont stop me from living the life I want to live, but it does make me sad to picture toothless and hiccup having to part ways.
And before anyone jumps in and says" they reunite in the end" I too did read that. But it feels like a very...."Undesirable" sorta meeting. The kind that comes with growing up and leaving behind friends for family. Its selfish of me to say it, but I didn't want to see that happen. I wanted to see Hiccup and Toothless together forever, the dragons always a part of the world and berk. The end of the second movie displayed that powerful bond that Hiccup and Toothless have, it is something that will always stick with me.
Thank you again to everyone in this community. I am so grateful to be a part of it and for all the support everyone always gives :) I am sorry if this journal sounded like rambling or angry.....it was something that I needed to write to help me cope. Also, again sorry for any spoilers, I was going to wait till the movie came out in the States, but god its over a month away and this is really been eating me up :P
So, I am not sure where to begin with this exactly... I suppose that I will start off by saying that I realize this is just a movie and that I am being very irrational. This journal is more of a way to help me cope with the anxiety I am experiencing. I have talked to a few people that are feeling the same way I am right now, so it helps knowing that I am not alone with this. The furry community has always been the most supportive and understanding group of people I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. That is why I feel so comfortable even writing this. It is never easy to admit you are feeling so vulnerable over such a silly thing...
So, to get right into what it is exactly that is bothering me. Its the third movie in the How To Train your Dragon franchise. Since the poster and trailer dropped last year I have been experiencing distress over it. In fact if you read the last journal I posted ( and yes I know I dont post a lot of journals) then you probably get the direction I am coming from. Nothing I am about to say is meant to rag on the movie or devalue it in any way. I highly respect the team and director for everything he has done with this franchise. Dreamworks is clearly treating this as their "Flagship" trilogy to compete with the likes of Pixar and Toystory. However, the anxiety I am feeling right now is all stemming from what I have seen and read about the movie so far.
Possible spoilers below so please stop reading now if you are worried about that.
This third movie is all about sacrifice. At least that is what it is feeling like. Sacrifice and growing up, letting go of the things you love the most so they can flourish. Giving up dragons and the idea that humans and dragons can coexist together. I realize that the books have more or else ended on the note that " dragons are gone" now. So this movie is reaching for that goal. But if just feels so , forced, compared to the first two movies. What I loved and identified with in the How to train your dragon movies was that belief that we are stronger together. That dragon and human are much better off with one another. That friendship goes beyond everything else. I know that traits of this are going to be seen in the third movie, but the idea of dragons and humans having to separate in the end just goes against everything the first two movies taught me.
The introduction of the lightfury has been a big source of a lot of this anxiety as well. She is like a double-edged sword. I like her design and the idea of toothless being able to save the nightfury race. But I hate the idea of the female dragon coming between hiccup and toothless. She obviously hates humans and doesn't trust them, which puts a strain on toothless and hiccups relationship. What makes it even harder is that this is the cause of the separation in the end. Humans hunt dragons, thus they have to go away and hide. Dragons don't trust humans and that adds to the decision. The first movie showed that hiccup was able to bridge that gap and connect with dragons. He tamed toothless, he proved the impossible. The second movie only emphasized that bond and how strong it was. To believe that he cant tame a lightfury, or dragons in a HiddenWorld just makes it even harder to accept. If anything, the vikings of berk would be able to live in the hidden world given how passionate Hiccup is about dragons.
So if you have stuck with me, read all that, and are lucky enough to have seen the movie...then I would love your input on this. I could be wrong about things I have said, and I would love to be. Everything I have to go on at the moment is from wiki articles and friends that have seen it already. On a side note, what the fuck is with it coming out so damn early over seas :P Anyway, again what I am trying to say in this journal isn't that I am mad, hate, or upset with this movie. Its just something I feel I need o get off my chest, to help me move on. Dragons are a big part of my life and the First How to train your dragon movie was one really close to my heart. As silly as it is to get so attached to a film, I did and the emotions are real. Life goes on and so do we. This movie wont stop me from living the life I want to live, but it does make me sad to picture toothless and hiccup having to part ways.
And before anyone jumps in and says" they reunite in the end" I too did read that. But it feels like a very...."Undesirable" sorta meeting. The kind that comes with growing up and leaving behind friends for family. Its selfish of me to say it, but I didn't want to see that happen. I wanted to see Hiccup and Toothless together forever, the dragons always a part of the world and berk. The end of the second movie displayed that powerful bond that Hiccup and Toothless have, it is something that will always stick with me.
Thank you again to everyone in this community. I am so grateful to be a part of it and for all the support everyone always gives :) I am sorry if this journal sounded like rambling or angry.....it was something that I needed to write to help me cope. Also, again sorry for any spoilers, I was going to wait till the movie came out in the States, but god its over a month away and this is really been eating me up :P
Also I've seen it cause australia gets it first for some reason , so if you wanna talk about it I'm happy to.
Maybe for most average people, dragons aren't super important to them, so the way the story goes won't bother them as much. But for me and many others around here dragons hold an extremely special place in our hearts, so it really hits a sour note.
Personally, I hope this really is the end of that stupid series.
Your feelings are more than understandable!
That's the end-line of tween stories, you need to grow up, come of age, leave childish things behind, etc. Going where you "belong". You go back to Kansas, you leave Neverland and Wonderland and Oz...back to sucky reality you fought to get away from behind, but changed by your adventure.
Personally I loved the ending, I found it really satisfying, and overall the movie exceeded my expectations. I give it a 9/10 (one point off 10 because the story seemed to be somewhat rushed).
And huh, I didn't realise that the States wasn't getting the movie yet! Since it had already been out for a week when I saw it. Trust me, I know the way you feel about not having the movie out yet, because Australia usually gets movies only WEEKS (or months) after their release in the United States. We're used to it (and they wonder why Australians are notorious for pirating movies and TV shows. Hmmmmmmmm.....)
Your fears are pretty well correct, the film continues the themes of the previous two, reinforcing the idea that Toothless and Hiccup are at the best when working together (and also the rest of the village). Conflict is introduced by making the lightfury come between Toothless/Hiccup - thankfully not by using the trope that Toothless just decides to throw away their friendship - and is resolved at the end of the film.
The reason for the decision for dragons/humans to part ways is due to the other major conflict between Berk and the other vikings. The film asserts that dragons/humans cannot coexist without being at odds with each other and that they aren't safe with Berk. This is undercut by the point that not five minutes before, Hiccup and his friends just single-handedly took down the massive enemy viking fleet and that Hiccup/Toothless managed to survive said encounter by the cooperation of dragons/humans...
So yeah the film pulled a Tarzan solely for dramas sake and it runs against literally everything else in the franchise. If you can't tell I'm feeling salty about it.
But yeah that was the biggest forced moment at the end. Together we can defeat any foe! But eh, you still gotta go bud, see ya.
Actual honestly on what happened, i think it was 100% the lightfury that destroyed what could have been, just because the bitch can't deal with humans doesn't mean everyone has to lose out, but nah, fuck your bonds just because she doesn't want it. She was actually gatekeeping toothless and was the only real winner at the end.
2. Hiccup/Astrid/their kids come back to the entrance to the lost world at the end, initially Toothless doesn't recognise Hiccup, after realising who he is Hiccup/Toothless start playing around with each other. Ends with Hiccup+Astrid+kids riding lightfury+toothless+kids in the sky.
Overall I have to say that it started ok but the way it started and handled its conflict was just...just bad. If I had to resume it in three reasons why based on what you say and more it would be...
1 - Light Fury herself. Ok so...part of Toothless's character is that he was supposed to be the only one of his race left. That's fine and make sense because you have guys like villain of third movie that even made their raison d'être to hunt dragons and specially Night Furies. So after years of hunting it's natural and made sense that Toothless was the only one of its kind and why it was a shock to have him found in first movie. But then...Light Fury. Where the fuck she came from? How Toothless and the others never heard anything about a female Night fury ever since the first movie? Those hunters just captured a Night fury out of nowhere and kept her around because of...reasons? What? Yeah it make no sense.
It's obvious and sad she was created out of thing air just so Toothless could have something to bang and make part of the conflict of the third movie. if this was something they were thinking way before they would have at least hinted for Light Fury's existance in second movie or maybe you know the goddamn series? If she was found out hiding in the "lost world" of the third movie it would have made perfect sense. But it's just weird that the villains just captured one who knows how long ago and somehow nobody, not even the villain of third movie even freaking heard about it.
As if that's not enough, her character itself is as bland as her color. We have two movies and a series with Toothless so they should give more focus to show more of Light Fury and why we should care about she being together with our beloved dragon instead of just going " she's a female and you're a male go bang her" as all the reason that was needed.
2 - You said it yourself. " The film asserts that dragons/humans cannot coexist without being at odds with each other and that they aren't safe with Berk. This is undercut by the point that not five minutes before, Hiccup and his friends just single-handedly took down the massive enemy viking fleet and that Hiccup/Toothless managed to survive said encounter by the cooperation of dragons/humans..." sooooooo why exactly the dragons need to leave again if you guys could do stunts like this and with only a few humans? And besides when you think about it, it just makes no sense. They need to leave until the humans will be ready to be friends with the dragons. But dude if humans think dragons are stuff of legend how exactly they will learn to befriend and respect them? Wouldn't make far more sense if you make your place an example of what humans and dragons can accomplish together? In the very least some kind of tourist attraction to show that point? To teach people that dragons aren't beasts you can just hunt and kill for profit? Instead you just make all the dragons hide way until people think they're just legends and yet somehow will learn to respect and befriend them? What?!
3 - Ok so movie fucked up in the message it was trying to deliver in point 2. But then it also kinda make message useless in a way because as Hiccup shows. Any of the humans of Berk can just take a boat or ship, travel to the end of World and just meet your dragon whenever you want anyway. So...there's no real farewell. No season of loss. No Sacrifice. No...nothing. If anything it make the humans of Berk scumbags that are hiding the dragons and their wonders and keeping them all to themselves.
So yeah I'm kinda salty about movie too. It's not terrible trash like say Wreck it Ralph 2 but when you compare it with 1 and 2 you just can't believe they somehow messed up 3 that bad.
"It takes place in the real world and the real world didnt hsve dragons."
Me: yea so? You're the teling the story. Make it alternate history duuuhhhh.
Fortunately, there aren't many cases of people pulling Annie Wilkes because of it.
Boy gets raised by dragon. Has fun and plays. Meets humans, grows a part. Derg must leave to not be hunted by man. Kid has to let go.
Its a very common theme in children movies. That one also did what httyd 3 does.
Spoiler for httyd3.
They dont stick to the dragons gone thing. Hiccup ridrs with his family and toothless' family at the end.
Keep on being the best self you can be and loving dragons till the end,
~Dubby
So why suddenly cant they face this guy down? Hiccup and toothless have overcome EVERYTHING that has EVER stepped to them and then suddenly hiccups like "no the dragons have to go theres nothing we can do" ???
It feels really forced, and really bs. And I hate it, and the light fury pisses me off too. These movies were about overcoming your challenges and coming out of them TOGETHER. Facing your problems as a team and NEVER letting ANYTHING pull you apart. And suddenly this one guy and this one dragon who doesnt like people are ...theyre gonna tear hiccup and toothless apart? No...fuck that. It makes zero sense that after everything the've been through together this is how it ends?
No. It should ens with hiccups son learning how to fly on toothless' back with his dad. It should end with Hiccup telling his kid that anything is possible if he follows his heart. It should end with snotlout and fishlegs telling their kids about the adventures they've had while they scrub down their dragons.
It should end with Astrid and stormfly right next to toothless and hiccup as they lead berk into a battle thats HARDER than the last but NEVER breaks them.
"THere were dragons when I was a boy" is not how this story ends. I refuse.
Id say go see rhe movie when you get the chance. Perhaps how you want it to end, just might be the way it does.
Those of us that grow a fondness of the films and come to enjoy them and say make an oc inspired by them or create stories from the things we enjoy, will look back and wonder why we can never have nice things. I once was saddened by something similar to this, but i've learned to distance myself from movies that i have no control over, as the writers will more often than not screw the audience over, or the characters in the film
I sadly spoiled the movie for myself. Someone on twitter leaked stills of the last 10 mins of the film.
But id rather not. They were sweet...and I kinda wish I didn't. Even as stills my heart melted.
I loved HTTYD 1 and 2, would even go as far to say they're one of my all time favourite movies, but I am hesitant to go see the third one, I wish I was excited to see it but I'm not, the writing team could have done a better job.
I won't be seeing it when the movie comes out, I may even subject myself to spoiler reviews if the movie gets a mediocre rating and decide then if I want to go watch it.
I'll be completely honest. Second movie was a little disappointing for me. I've never touched the books, therefore had no idea how the story would go. But most of all, second movie felt to me like a mere connecting link, something that needed to be done in order to develop a handful of characters, relationships and motives further, like creators taking a deep breath before the grand finale. That's the first thing. The second thing is that I saw the separation resolution of the story coming from afar - and think it's the most reasonable, logical conclusion. I could even go as far as to call it necessary. Hiccup and Toothless accomplished some amazing things indeed, but in the big picture, they barely matter. Maybe Hiccup and Toothless can take on just about any enemy, but they can't keep fighting forever. There will always be more, every enemy and villain they defeat will spawn another one. Each their achievement will always be strictly tied to their community and locale. Ultimately, the word will spread and they will find themselves standing against the whole world of intolerance and misunderstanding, trying to build a bridge through differences they shall never overcome. This is something I've been reading between the lines of franchise's narrative this whole time. And if the universe honors the logic of domestication in real world (which it arguably does), through relationship with humans, dragons would only gradually degenerate and devolve into little more than battle-equipped pets. The other side of the coin being that any group of people around dragons would always represent a risk and danger for many reasons, and would require for those people to severe any and all ties with the outer world once and for all, which is extremely hard to imagine - especially for a viking community. So the resolve that dragons and humans are better off without each other seems quite right to me in the end.
As I wrote above, I was going to offer a rather unpopular opinion and point of view. I expect some people on here will argue with me - that's all fine, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I may always be wrong in some points. Sadly I probably won't be able to respond much (especially given I'm currently learning for exams), but please, I'm open to discussion. This is just a couple of hard truths which I believe the narrative is trying to communicate to us, and which people don't and won't like, but should be pointed out. Howgh.
One can only hope that the creators of these movies understand that that's not life and that these movies stand for doing the impossible and never giving up. Sometimes, authors that create something don't understand the fundamental core of the story they're telling and mess it up along the way. That's when the fans of a franchise collectively say: This movie/game/book is bullshit and non-canon and the concept and core moral of the franchise lives on in them instead.
Example: Star Wars.
All about hope, struggle, fighting for what you believe in against impossible odds. Being the best you can be.
Then the last two movies came around and propagated nihilism, emptiness, hopelessness and giving up.
The fans said NO and so the core morals of Star Wars now live in them, their creative expressions and their enthusiasm.
Let's hope this series does better.
I do agree this is at odds with the previous movies themes, but that's definitely the vibe I've been getting from the trailers and info that's come to my attention so far.
Look at the trend a lot of movie series--even TV series are doing nowadays: soft rebooting. They say they're gonna wrap up everything, finish everything, complete every story, etc., etc. And then they bring it back five or ten years later. Biggest example? Toy Story.
Toy Story 3: "We're gonna wrap up everything. We're gonna solve everything. We're gonna make everyone cry. It's gonna be so emotional and profound and it's gonna be about growing up and moving on and letting go of your childhood and all that existential stuff! IT'S GONNA BE THE BEST WRAPUP TO A TRILOGY EVER!!!!!!!!!"
Toy Story 4: "Hey guys, we came back nine years later. Sup?"
I'm not saying that this will happen, but considering HTTYD is one of Dreamworks' successful and most critically-acclaimed franchise they've done so far, I wouldn't be surprised. I can see the movie making you think someone will commit a heroic sacrifice, but it won't be permanent. I can also see someone making a genuine sacrifice, but it won't be any of the core characters. It'll probably have one of those open-door endings, one of those "We wrapped up everything and this is the grand finale, but no one is saying we can't make more."
I know all this has virtually nothing to do with the movie itself, largely because I haven't actually seen any HTTYD movies. (I don't know why; I think I'm gonna binge the first two before seeing this one. I have always wanted to see them). I'm just looking at the bigger picture here I guess. I don't feel like the two core characters will sacrifice themselves or that Toothless and the dragons will have to go into hiding--not because of story reasons, but because "we're probably gonna make a fourth movie later" reasons.
https://twitter.com/DeanDeBlois/sta.....981402112?s=19
I won't hold out hope that it'll be anything special to avoid being disappointed again. Hah, with the trilogy ending, It feels like a message telling me it's time to move on. And with a new series right around the corner aimed at "a younger audience", it feels like I'm being shoved aside and neglected as DW proceeds to aim the franchise at kids, haha
I won't go through all of the points - trust me, there's a lot. But just know this: I'm with you on this one. I'm a 10-year fan. I grew up with this franchise. Every bit of news aroused excitement and sometimes even anxiety. Even when GoTNF was announced, I was excited, yet also afraid. I love this franchise to bits and it without a doubt has defined my late childhood/teenage years. I met so many great people thanks to it.This story was always my form of escapism from life.
However, like you I've felt great distress since the poster was shown. Perhaps even before, when we knew where Dean Deblois wanted to take the franchise. Then the poster dropped. I was furious with the light fury's design, but then I warmed up to it (Until they showed her blue underside, and it turned out she wasnt aquatic like many of us believed (and would thus explain her color, smooth form and the fin down her back), at which point I just felt lukewarm).
And then we got clips, interviews, bits of the plot being revealed... Each time i hoped it wasn't as bad as I feared. It just turned out even worse.
To put it short, I really don't like the story, and I could go as far as to say it sucks, not just for the idea, but the execution of it. I still had hope that despite the undesirable ending, it would still be a decent movie with some redeeming qualities. But it genuinely feels like this arc was shoehorned in. Like Dean made an abrupt, sharp 90 degree turn to force the movies to end exactly the same as the books did, even though the books actually had some buildup and reasonable justification behind it.
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And here I began ranting about the movie's logic (or lack thereof, rather) but I've decided to delete it to keep this short, lol. I could go on if you want, though at this point I'm just going through that phase of bitter acceptance. I was able to vent all my anxiety and gripes. Now, well...
Yeah it just sucks how the entire franchise never had a consistent theme. It went from humans and dragons in the first movie, to... Well, focusing on Hiccup's "coming of age" story in 2 & 3. The dragons were sidelined, dumbed down. And while Toothless does get way more focus in 3, the dragons still just lack that charm and intelligence from the first film that made them so special in the first place.
I could keep on going but yeah... I'm totally with you on this one :/
I got my hands on a cam version and finally watched it today (Previously, I'd only seen various clips and read through spoilers from those who'd seen it; although the trailers on their own spoil almost all of it anyway). And well, without delving to deep into spoilers...
It's kind of open ended, but not in the way you might hope. The film overall is completely underwhelming, to me personally, and the dragons really had no reason at all to leave. It was all just kind of forced against all logic and reason. The film feels rushed to heck and in some cases breaks canon, and even nullifies itself entirely in some cases.
But YMMV. I still found some sequences to be decent. The animation is absolutely breathtaking as always, and it was, to some extent, a bit entertaining. But to me, the story is terrible and falls flat on its face.This movie is to me, what The Last Jedi is to many Star wars fans. I don't accept this canon, and not just for emotional reasons, but because it's just so poorly done.
There /is/ one scene featuring Stoick that was, I think, the deepest message in the movie, but I don't think it entwines with Hiccup and Toothless's arc at all. And... Yeah. I feel they completely trampled the franchise's theme, especially what they had going on with the dragons which I think is very tragic. You aren't alone with how you feel. And if you feel the same after having seen the movie, take comfort in knowing you're not alone. And if you enjoy it anyway, that's also a big plus ^^
Thanks for the watch btw
P.S. If you want to see the bootleg version, I can PM it to you. Screw their staggered release schedule haha
A shame to see HTTYD come to an end, it was a beacon for dragon appreciation in a media swamped with 'evil' dragons that the 'hero' kills, with almost mocking musical scores alongside telling the audience they should feel happy about it.
At least Spyro might be making a comeback for good. Maybe Scalebound will get kickstarted again too, I was really looking forward to that.
Well, all that I can say, is the fact I'm impatient to see it, to simply turn the page, once for all and for good. I grew with HTYYD, that movie, brought me everything I ever hoped about a movie involving dragons and humans, friendship, trust and stuff. But when I see what dean deblois and bonnie arnold have done with the 2nd, and even more what the 3rd will be, it's just time to stop the massacre, because I have no other way to say it. Everything, except places and "most" of the characters are different in the book series, and in dreamworks saga. They had between their hand, the hammer to break all the fucking clichés about movie involving dragons and humans, but instead, they turned it into an even more cliché, wasting a formidable possibility of a unique story with a good ending. The different trailers spoiled most of the movie, so it obvious how this will end. Now I can't hide it: yes I'm anxious and stressed when I think of anything related to the 3rd movie. Yes, I know I'll be on my knees for weeks when I'll be out of the theater. But I also know that damn stressing and mind eating page will be turned for good, and won't touch my feels anymore.
There's also a high chance I will boycott anything coming from dean deblois or bonnie arnold after that. The way they ruined the HTTYD franchise is definitively to harsh for me for a pardon. It's sound ridiculous to have such rancor against them, but I'm not and easy forgiving person x). If only Chris Sanders didn't leave the franchise to make The Croods.... Anyway, I'm totally with you on this side Narse. I don't really know if there's a better way to poke you than here, to give you my feels when I'll be out of the theater, but I'll do my best to keep you in touch for that.
How to train your dragon is such a " season 2" kinda series, that suddenly seems to dive into season 3 for the third movie. Its just so contradictory to the franchise so far.
I've already decided that I'm not going to watch the movie in theaters. I've been upset about the direction they were taking the franchise ever since I first heard about it shortly after HTTYD2. The fact that they wanted a "Toy Story" sort of ending always seemed very wrong to me. It goes against almost everything the original film stood for. I could say more about that, but I think that your take on it along with legarsraide's comments sum up my feelings pretty well.
When I heard about the Light Fury, I became even more annoyed. I generally hate it when creators introduce a love interest so late in a franchise, especially when it's such an obvious plot device. Furthermore, I'm not particularly fond of her design. I wouldn't mind the character on its own, but it looks very wrong next to Toothless. Can someone explain why the female has to be smoother and a lighter color? I get that it's technically a sub-species, but I just hate the cliche-ness of it.
I think I've reached the point where I no longer give a damn what they do. Obviously, a part of me does give a damn, otherwise I would not be writing about it. Meh... it's just easier to be angry/dismissive than it is to be sad. The original film was so uplifting, I never dreamed we'd end on such a down note. I'm actually looking forward to it ending so that people will stop talking about it and I can get busy blocking it from my mind.
I've also began to reevaluate my like for the second film. I still think it's a decent film, but I was a little too forgiving when I first saw it.
I would definitely like to see a dragon movie that doesn't have a bittersweet ending. I can hardly wait for them to make a movie series out of the Temeraire books, if you're familiar with them. I think it would be difficult to mess it up too badly, unless they were to completely ignore the books, which seems unlikely.
I wonder what might happen in the movie to make them go back on all that and have them split dragons and humans.
I can't tell if my dissatisfaction is with the thought of that ending itself or just the fact that I know its ending though. A good series ending is hard enough to deal with on its own!
I'm glad you decided to post a journal to get this stuff off your chest man
There is this whole notion of growing up and becoming a man! doing what you have to do, letting things go to become the person you are meant to be and that just isn't right, that's not how things should be.
A big part of it though is a story of diversity, and that dragons are a thing we should cherish, they are these amazing, beautiful beasts but their are those who will use them for evil thinking their nothing more then pests or objects for them to use. so he's not saying goodbye, he wants to protect him and Toothless needs to protect them.
I actaully really liked the ending speech hiccup has with something he says where dragons are now..I kinda like that part of it. im not a fan of the ending but they did a good job of it in the sense it was always going to be along those lines because it is the first line in the book...their were dragons when I was a boy....sadly.
So to me what hiccup says as to where dragons have gone...it puts the film in a realm of the past rather it be its own world in a separate universe and to me, I liked what he said.
I guess really all I can say is go see the film and see what you think in the end <3
Gah, as much as I have been trying to catch up on everything, something compels me to say "fuck it. I'm making a fan-comic that will be better than this movie!" if it goes that way. I want that ideal to be met in reality, for once. <3 Even just visiting dragons, while nice, may not be "togetherness enough" especially in the eyes of a true dragon lover. :]
Here's to 2019.
All of us here in this community are here with ya to listen and support you. Your feelings toward this movie is very understandable.
But with all ends. A new road opens up and a new journey can begin. Hopefully this won't be the end of this story.
How are you doing on this at the moment?
I'm 31, French, and I was lucky to see the movie in preview this morning.
Httyd is my favorite franchise since the 1st movie, it holds an important place in my heart. The friendship between hiccup and toothless really marked me and no other production (movies, series ..) can do the same, in my opinion.
I confess that since the 2nd film, an anxiety began to appear in me, I asked myself questions like: will the 3rd film follow the books, so the 2 heroes will they separate ? Is there going to be something even worse, like the death of an important character again? Fortunately, the animated series have made us wait. ;)
The first trailer appeared and many clues appeared, including the name of the film itself: the hidden world, dragons overpopulation, the female fury, .. so my anxiety reappeared strongly, to the point where I suffered a few small periods of sadness, because the big question I was asking myself certainly had its answer.
Now that I have seen the film I feel better because I must admit that the realization is as always irreproachable, whether in terms of history, characters, visual quality, soundtrack, and especially emotions felt. I will see it again with a lot of pleasure and wait for the blu-ray later.
Concerning the female fury, if toothless has not yet met any female after this 3rd movie, what would have happened? The scenario is obviously too "easy" but I think she was introduced to reassure the audience (especially the youngest viewers), because it would be sad that the furies have no descendants.
I can conclude by saying that Toothless is and will remain for a long time my favorite movie character.
It feels good to talk here, I have very few contacts as passionate as me.
So all I can tell you is simply to go see this f*ckin good movie and have fun ;)
PS: I hope my English is quite understanding, thanks google trad xD
PS2: YOUR WORK IS SOOOO AMAZING !
Afterwards we can still ask ourselves one question: are the reasons for this separation sufficient? because there is enough space in the new Berk (or another new Berk on a larger island, why not), and the threats are neutralized every time (Httyd 1, Httyd 2, even in the series) so Vikings and dragons are quite capable of living and fighting together for a long time in my opinion.
By showing us the last scene, Hiccup always watches over toothless in case something happens (as with the mechanics of his tail), and I am convinced that the Light Fury would go back to Berk to get Hiccup in case of emergency, because she can trust him. And I insist on that point.
Everyone can interpret the story that suits them best, but Deblois chose to respect the end of Cowell's books and wanted to stop at a trilogy, that's how it is. And I can never thank him enough for this fantastic trilogy.
You're welcome, it's always a pleasure to talk with a fan.
As an animal that needs to reproduce it makes it hard to do so if its gay. Plus Im fairly certain animals aren't gay like humans are. I don't think animals can have a dick/vagina preference when trying to reproduce.
I honestly doubt people would care that he's straight if the creators hadn't taken so long to bring up the issue. We're 9 years into the franchise with two movies, a TV series, and numerous specials behind us. At this point, I almost think they should have just left his sexuality ambiguous.
It's not that I disagree with their thought process. They've been building up the Hiccup/Astrid relationship ever since the first movie, so they must have realized that Toothless was in danger of appearing left out. This was especially obvious by the end of the second movie, when it became clear that Hiccup and Toothless were supposed to be on parallel journeys.
It's a logical development, but one that feels tacked on in the most obvious and disappointing way (at least IMHO).
People saying he should be gay are wasting their breath. The standard response will be "Of course he's straight! Because, reasons! What were you expecting? LOL."
What study what conducted that proves animals can be homosexual? I’m genuinely curious because I have complete doubt that this is a thing. And if it is, I’m curious what experiments they did to draw this conclusion.
Dogs will literally hump anything so that can’t be used as an arguement.
Secondly, toothless’ sexual orientation shouldn’t even be something people even consider! It’s a kids movie at the backbone.
I'm not sure what your second question is. Are you asking why people would consider his sexuality?
Well, it's 2019 and people tend to talk about gay issues a lot. There's also growing scientific evidence that homosexuality has a biological basis (meaning it's not a choice). It's pretty easy to extend that line of thinking to other animals, since they are biologically similar to humans.
I get that some people are uncomfortable with the idea of kids movies addressing homosexuality, but that's just a consequence of the times we live in.
As far as people making issues out of sexuality though, it is 2019. And here in 2019 people are more concerned about their feelings than anything else. So I’m not surprised people are making a big deal out of an animated dragon.
The best part about one of the last members of a dragon species being gay is you can count on there being no more!
Last male and last female on earth:
Female: we should ave sex so we can reproduce
Male: no thanks I’m gay
The end
so i guess i understand what you feeling there .
I cannot find any evidence to point that there's any reason why they could not do this, and that gives me hope. Seeing all of these other responses tells me that as a whole, there is a community they are potentially about to squander, after having built it up for nearly 10 years. People who might not even want to read the books now due to what happens in the third movie alone. I'm going to give the books a read, because I think this might just be a product of the film industry as a whole.
I also selfishly want to see it both succeed and fail, because there's many ways to end a trilogy. This is not one of them. It just doesn't feel right, from nearly any perspective, and not just one. Objectively even, this is not how to end a trilogy.
Oh wait, that's four words...
All these years and they still feel obligated to flog the same dead horse of a moral? What a disappointing bore.
I guess that still leaves it for someone else to put a different twist on it then. Dragons are as real as you can dream them to be.
its sad , but everything as to end one day :<