I've played with the original 13HD for a short while. It was quite different to the tablet I'm used to.

How so? Did you prefer one over the other?

It was a bit awkward to me at first, but I managed to get a small sketch in. I'm definitely way more used to using my Intuos Pro. I guess it's good that I tried it before I bought it. When I was younger, I made the mistake of thinking I can only do good artwork with a tablet like a 13HD, but I've since learned from that mistake

Did you find that it made any kind of a difference in your line quality?

ain't ever seen one irl but i'm putting my desire to rest by reminding myself- screen tablets foster worse posture!)))
cause the screen is lower than your eye level when sitting.

Ooooh.... That's a fair point. Hm.....

I would say this particular point would probably depend on a person's setup and the tablet they use with that setup? Some of those screen tablets are pretty big, so if you have a low chair/high desk with one and use a stand , I imagine you wouldn't be craning your neck to look down at it. Likewise, if you have a small one like the one you linked, you could have it in your lap/propped against your knees (one image on Amazon even shows this)...and in such a scenario, personally, I could see myself being leaned back with my legs propped up on something to draw, and that wouldn't be so bad.

But I haven't had the chance to actually use one, so I could be completely wrong. I do think if I got a screen tablet I probably wouldn't get a Wacom though. There are actual alternative options nowadays, which seem to have better customer support, and their drivers can't be any worse than Wacom's.

Aye. I'd want to try one just to see. As for alternatives, a few people have apprised me that the Huion tablets are quite competitive in terms of quality and VASTLY cheaper. So there's that.

Yeah, way cheaper. Huion's new version of their 22" monitor, the GT-220 V2, has a list price of $600. Wacom's Cintiq 22HD Interactive Pen Display, on the other hand, has a list price of $1700--almost 3 times as much. Of course, both can be got cheaper on Amazon compared to the list prices on the brand websites, but even then, it's $400 vs $1400. Huion's most expensive model, which is their newest, the Kamvas Pro 22, doesn't even breach 1k--the list price is $900. Meanwhile the Cintiq Pro 24 (the Cintiq Pro doesn't come in a 22" model so I think this would be most comparable) has a list price of $2000 - $2500 (depending on if you want the regular or the Touch version). It's kinda crazy.

Now, Wacom does generally make good-quality products (well, if you don't include their shitty drivers), but I do feel their quality has degraded a bit over the years, probably due to being too comfortable in their monopoly of the market...so I'm glad to see some real competition take hold. I used alternate brands of tablets for years and liked them better than the Wacom Bamboo I had originally gotten (and subsequently gave away because I really didn't like it at all), but most people were skeptical when I'd tell them that they worked just as well and the low-end Wacom tablets. I do have an Intuos Pro now, but that's only because I found it at a really low price on eBay and my partner decided to snag it for me as a gift. But I think my next tablet will probably be a Huion.

Are you asking about Screen Tablets in General? I have a 13HD Cintiq, and I have to say that a Screen Display tablet saved my hand/arm from further destruction. I got major bad Tendinitis/Tennis Elbow from the screenless tablet I used.

I like the screen tablet because you can see where you are putting the lines. It's closer to drawing with paper than a screenless tablet. It's different than drawing traditional, but it's way easier to adjust to than screenless.

At the moment I'm just curious but someday, when this tablet craps out on me, I might like to consider getting one. The eye-hand disconnect sometimes screws me up, mainly when I'm trying to draw lines.

If you ever know someone who has a Screen Tablet, ask if you can give it a little test doodle, because it is
neat to test out the first time. I used to take mine to college so I can work on art, and folks would ask if they could
try it and were able to work with it right away. So, it is indeed a lot easier to work with.

Someone mentioned alternative Screen tablets, and I have to say That if mine ever poops on me, I'd be looking into Huion
since Wacom can be so expensive. I'd want to keep my eye on to make sure what does or doesn't use batteries with Huion
because I learned that they are just getting into non-battery powered Pens. I have to say I don't like having to charge my stuff,
so if looking at other brands like huion keep an eye on needing to charge any part of your pen or tablet.

OHHH that reminds me Something to also to keep in mind. Screen tablets often have a lot of wires to hook into your computer/tablet.
that can take up a good amount of room.

Aye. Someone sent me a link to a Huion tablet and boy, wow... that price differential. Jeepers.

I opted to buy a traditional tablet from Huion versus Wacom, mainly for that price difference and I'm not exactly doing professional work. I don't know about their display tablets, but I can say with the regular tablets you do sacrifice some quality/features.

but I can say with the regular tablets you do sacrifice some quality/features.

Oh? Care to elaborate?

Wasn't going to go into a lot of detail since I can't say for certain if the tablets and screens might share the same trade-offs, buuuut some things that naggle me...

The pen isn't the best and has a battery which has to be charged or the pen doesn't function, so you can be drawing and it just stops working cause you didn't plug it in. Can argue that you just have to be conscious to plug it in whenever you're not using it, but you have to guess because it doesn't tell you battery life. This also subjects you to battery life issues.

A pretty big annoyance is the cable and (micro/mini port? Don't remember) on the tablet just losing connectivity with the slightest movement. The jack has pretty loose tolerances and has since day 1.

They aren't major issues, but it's little things that add up in the long run when you're sitting there trying to focus on the work and something distracts you. The drawing surface is basically what you're getting at the compromise of design/quality.

Ooof... Good to know. Thanks.

The pen needing to be charged is an odd thing to me. I guess it's some kind of cheaper workaround and the sensor is built into the pen versus the tablet, or something like that. I know Wacom tablets don't have pens with batteries, and I can say off the bat if this one died I'd get a Wacom for that reason alone.

I like mine. I can't draw with it..too used to pencil on paper..but i use it to ink and color scanned images..i like working directly on the drawing..i need to see my hand when working..can't do it with my hand down on a regular tablet while lookin up at a screen...feels too unnatural to me.

Yeah, the eye/hand disconnect screws me up sometimes too, mainly when I'm trying to do linework.

I used one briefly at a job. The thing I rand into that I thought odd, was a "complaint" I have about drawing with paper, in that my hand and fingers sometimes block the view of what I am working on, which doesn't happen with my "non-Monitor tablet". But that's a minor issue.

The above poster's command about Posture is sound, but at that afore mentioned job, Several of the artists leaned back in their chair and treated like a paper drawing pad, putting it in their laps, or knees, headphones on, sketching away.

"The above poster's command about Posture is sound, but at that afore mentioned job, Several of the artists leaned back in their chair and treated like a paper drawing pad, putting it in their laps, or knees, headphones on, sketching away. "

That sounds pretty comfortable.

they were comfortable, but they tended to put their hoodies or jackets on their laps as the tablet can get a little warm. But it seemed to work. I so wanted to steal that tablet at the end of the contract, but... I m a good boy, because Toyota plays good money on their commercials.

I haven't. Sorry.

S'all good.

Ive heard some not so great things about them. Wacom quite literally screws you when it comes to damages.

The competitors- huion, XP pen, both are great, cheaper alternatives

Good to know thanks for the input.

I use the 22HD and I love it. The quality of my art between using a standard black flat tablet and a screen is significantly different. It's true what's mentioned above your hand can be in the way I suppose, but I don't find it any different than the way your hand can get in the way when you draw on paper.

Some other alternatives and comparable priced drawing tools would be the surface pro or ipod. I've been heavily considering investing in a surface pro since it's a whole computer and mobile - doesnt need to be attached to another computer. So I can work t my desk or the couch when I'm feeling lazy.

Thanks for the input. :)

For me it's a lot easier. I can curl up beside my laptop and rest it on my lap. So much easier when I'm not feeling too well.

My wife picked up an XP-PEN Artist15.6 Pro instead and is very happy with it. Might want to look into it. It often gets better reviews than the Cintiq.

https://www.amazon.com/XP-PEN-Artis...../dp/B07M5X7MH1

Ooh. Thanks! :)

No problem!

I have a cintiq 27HD, and for these tablets I will echo a bit of what Kagisnad says, posture.

They're not doomed to foster bad posture, but if you get one, it's definitely worth either makeshifting or purchasing a stand that allows you to work with the screen facing forward, rather than upward, like an easel.

Fair. Fair. Thanks for the input. :)

I've played around with quite a few, and the only thing that really bothers me with cintiqs is that the screen is much closer to the eyes (exacerbates myopia); that's the only thing I like about the intuos over the cintiq, I can keep my face 1.5 metres away from the screen. Art quality is pretty much the same regardless.

I'd rate the Intuos4-medium, Intuos Pro-large, and the 27QHD as the top 3.

I wouldn't get a cintiq that's smaller than 22" for professional use. 24 seems fine, 27 is the sweet spot, and I dislike the design of the 32" but it's probably also a pleasure to use. The desk/chair/stand determines the ergonomics of the workstation, not the tablet, so that just depends if the workstation is suitable or not. Accessing a keyboard is a pain in the ass, so I use the Logitech G13 and found that it boosted workflow.

the 13-16" tablets are small enough to easily access the keyboard, but they're too damn small, the 16" has a built-in fan. If you do get one for use at home and not for its portability, then I'd strongly recommend the 24" or 27".

Thanks! For now, I'm happy with my Intuos but I'll keep all that in mind for the future. Much appreciated.

How's that moving situation coming along? I hope not too much is going wrong.

She's still trapped in FL but we're hoping to get her up here in the next month or so. Her two dogs died within a month of each other and while we can't prove it, it looks like one of her psycho neighbors might have poisoned them. Surprisingly, it wasn't the psycho neighbor we thought.

While that is absolutely terrible and I certainly wouldn't have wished that on her dogs (especially Zam-zam who was a big, lovable dope), that is one big thing we won't have to worry about. Still, she does have 6 cats and that's going to complicate things because no one will rent to her and a lot of hotels charge per pet per night. ;\

I have, but it's so strange going from the old "not being able to look down at what I draw" tablets to these.
It's nice to have that kind of control though. :3
ITS. JUST. SO. MUCH MONEY.

Yeah. :\ Thankfully, there are less expensive models like the Huion. There are some drawbacks... pun not intended. XD But on the whole, they are much less expensive and better customer service. Or so they say.

Bought a cintiq pro 24 last year. Best money I ever spent. Won't bore you with all the gushing of how good it looks and how it improves workflow. Accuracy, stability, pressure sensitivity are way better than on my intuos 4L, but then I may just have had a crap intuos.

A couple downsides are:
-The software was shit. (For the first half year, I had to restart the driver at least once a day, I shit you not.) It's better now.
-The express key remote sometimes doesn't want to connect to the tablet. Pressing buttons on it randomly while it's trying to connect generally works.
-Sometimes there are random inputs from the express key remote. You'll be drawing something and your tool will change back to what it was a few moments before, even though you didn't touch any keys. This is a new problem.
-The express key remote sometimes starts crying for a recharge when it doesn't need it.
(I may have just gotten a crappy express key remote.)

-It gets really hot in summer. This thing puts out heat. Nice in winter, not so nice in summer. ymmv
-The fans were a bit noisy at the start. Either I'm used to it now, I'm going deaf, or it got quieter once it was worn in.
-It takes up a lot of space. Unless you want to invest in a touch screen version and get it all filthy with your oily human meatbag sausages, you will need some way of using your keyboard. This may be less an issue on the 13 and 16 versions.

-Not a downside, but you will want a very soft piece of cloth or a glove thing to let your hand slide smoothly over the display. (something that won't cause scratches, of course) Otherwise the hot display will make your hand sticky and it will be awful.

-Because it counts as a display, your cursor can get lost in it when you're not using it. Also, popups on different monitors tend to move the active cursor there, and depending on settings that can change what button presses on the remote do. So you will be drawing one moment, a popup happens on your regular monitor, and suddenly your are doing unwanted things with your button presses.

-Some other people have complained about the sturdiness of cable connections on the 13 and 16 versions. The 24 is sturdy in my experience.

Good to know. Thanks for the input. I'll keep all that in mind if I do ever end up getting one.

Some thoughts:

This requires a USB-C connection which means your computer needs to be close by as max length on a USB-C cable is two meters I think.
On newer laptops and desktops this isn't an issue ( other than making sure the USB-C port supports both video and data ) but on older systems, you may not even have a USB-C port at all. ( My desktop doesn't for example. )


I have a variation on the portable variety ( Wacom Mobile Studio Pro 16 ) and its 500-lb gorilla cousin, the Cintiq Pro 32.


Posture is definitely an issue on the smaller unit as you tend to stay hunched over it even with a stand that will prop it up at an angle.

They both put out heat. The Mobile one tends to heat up quite a bit in the lower right corner while the bigger one tends to heat the whole room.
( Though the smaller one is a full computer and not just a display, so the display only variant may not exhibit this behavior. )

The display you linked is limited to 1920 x 1080 resolution which may or may not be a concern for you.

Get a drawing glove lest your screen become hand/finger print central.


Overall ?

I never could get used to drawing / coloring / whatever on a tablet in one location while watching the output on the monitor that is offset from it.
Drove me nuts. In my opinion, once you've switched over to a display tablet, you'll never go back to the non-display variety again.

Good to know. Thanks for the input. ^___^