Congratulations for the disintegration of the old fandom
2 years ago
Since the anouncement of the new rules implemented to FA, I am struggling every day, every hour to decide whether I will leave too.
I always supported the admins of FA, forgave them so many punctual hiccups (nobody can pretend to be perfect or to please everyone), was always promoting the site. Well that is definitely over, I just completely lost my trust in the moderation team all at once.
I did not agree with, but I understood the cub policy, because it is clearly against the law in some states/countries. But chibi/toony characters (yes, that's basically that, don't play on the words)? No, you are not fighting minor pornography, you are just dropping your pants before the woke community that's been damaging the whole world for a decade now. You are NO art site anymore, no place for artists to express themselves, art is DREAMING, FIGHTING, IMAGINING, REBELLING - but you are just like us french with the Vichy government during WWII (and we had much better excuses than you do to do so).
So tell me,
dragoneer, who will be the ones who will judge what is acceptable and what is not? Is that the admin who, several years ago, threatened me about a picture I posted of Riff-Raff eating out Cleo due to an underage character? Riff-Raff the midget? SERIOUSLY??? You mean that extremely obscure show (Heathcliff) that is notorious for displaying shotas and lolis???????????????
With this blow you have succeeded is dismantling the old guard, everybody is scattering around, we are losing sight of artists/friends we knew for more than 20, 30, even 40 years or more, because there is no other federating furry site like FA was.
Yep, congratulations FA, You have succeeded in disbanding your historical grounds, not sure you care though. Perhaps is it even convenient to dilute the old grumpy guard and follow the new fandom's every will and quirk instead like a good doggy. It's been a decade we are looking at the marvelous results on Hollywood, and especially Disney.
I feel we have reached a real turn this time. I am sad, so sad it has to end this way.
I will tell you my own decision as soon as I will make my mind. But for me, Fur Affinity, THE furry art site, is dead.
*Edit* it seems my latest theory is right, as is shown in
ebonyleopard's comment here: "They have begun banning folks, even though it was supposed to give people till their deadline, (...) Telling them they’ve been permanently bs Ned because they don’t feel their account is a good match for their community"
I always supported the admins of FA, forgave them so many punctual hiccups (nobody can pretend to be perfect or to please everyone), was always promoting the site. Well that is definitely over, I just completely lost my trust in the moderation team all at once.
I did not agree with, but I understood the cub policy, because it is clearly against the law in some states/countries. But chibi/toony characters (yes, that's basically that, don't play on the words)? No, you are not fighting minor pornography, you are just dropping your pants before the woke community that's been damaging the whole world for a decade now. You are NO art site anymore, no place for artists to express themselves, art is DREAMING, FIGHTING, IMAGINING, REBELLING - but you are just like us french with the Vichy government during WWII (and we had much better excuses than you do to do so).
So tell me,
dragoneer, who will be the ones who will judge what is acceptable and what is not? Is that the admin who, several years ago, threatened me about a picture I posted of Riff-Raff eating out Cleo due to an underage character? Riff-Raff the midget? SERIOUSLY??? You mean that extremely obscure show (Heathcliff) that is notorious for displaying shotas and lolis???????????????With this blow you have succeeded is dismantling the old guard, everybody is scattering around, we are losing sight of artists/friends we knew for more than 20, 30, even 40 years or more, because there is no other federating furry site like FA was.
Yep, congratulations FA, You have succeeded in disbanding your historical grounds, not sure you care though. Perhaps is it even convenient to dilute the old grumpy guard and follow the new fandom's every will and quirk instead like a good doggy. It's been a decade we are looking at the marvelous results on Hollywood, and especially Disney.
I feel we have reached a real turn this time. I am sad, so sad it has to end this way.
I will tell you my own decision as soon as I will make my mind. But for me, Fur Affinity, THE furry art site, is dead.
*Edit* it seems my latest theory is right, as is shown in
ebonyleopard's comment here: "They have begun banning folks, even though it was supposed to give people till their deadline, (...) Telling them they’ve been permanently bs Ned because they don’t feel their account is a good match for their community"
FA+

What I noticed is that the contact is usually extremely rude, no "hello", no presentation, just a warning text as if the guy was already pissed off or condescendant. An admin is the very face of his site. When he writes, he shows the tone of the site. From my rare direct contacts, I have an extremely poor opinion of FA admin's politeness, whoever they are.
If this is a personal move, it self-explains (this is just one rude person) but that means they all must be taught how to talk to their "clients" (this is what happens in any professional enterprise), but if this is the way they are told to interact...
Many thanks for the clarification, this does set some tracks~
I wouldn't be surprised if a new furry art site with a more robust foundational vision will kick off in the near future.
FA has ossified.
IB seems to be a solid contender IMO - though I'm also seeing a number of artists saying that they'll switch to posting their content on twitter (which IMO is kinda risky) and Discord (even worse)
The main problem of IB is its no-human in sexual activities policy - I totally believe that is what allows them to host cub safely so that is a minimum drawback compared to the advantage, but it is still very incomplete. That is the site I will switch to however if I decide to leave, the community is a lot more opened and friendly, and the moderators ARE polite. After all, I already got a lurker account there under the same name, I would move there without much effort~
IB has always been my second favorite furry place, it just became #1 a few days ago.
But i really hope everything will deflate soon, as it did with the other zillion times this place had a mismanagement of some sort
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But
The second, and more believable imo, is that its a matter of hosting and money. You can't do much against these things, but let's say that a clearer communication would be better, less conflictual, people would somewhat understand cause we all need money...
Sometimes i think its because of it. It's chaos, every other minute there's a tire fire somewhere and it usually has to extinguish itself cause there's no virtually anyone that can do something about it.
But is probably this chaos that makes this place still alive, differently from other more ordinated places.
My intention for now it's to stay here and even keep backing up the site, because i owe lots to it. But obviously, my decision could change anytime...
SO good to hear we will continue at least for a while to see your marvelous art around
"We do not think you are a good match for our community"
Fuck you Dragoneer.
Otherwise I'd lean towards agreeing with you. I'm not gonna rush to leave or anything, but this definitely looks like a bad deal for everybody.
Unfortunately, the Administration is completely lacking in transparency regarding this, so it's leading people to all kinds of conclusions about what's behind this, some of them pretty damn wild. I think that they need to engage in some radical honesty here, lay all of their cards on the table, and show us the process behind this. All of it. They are losing trust in clouds of speculation and rumors. Trust in the administration is crucial, and taking a MAJOR hit here.
The financial pressure theory is one of the more logical ones, but it's still just a theory. It's not a good idea to jump to conclusions. If that IS part of the issue, I think that it would be in their best interest to share that with us. Possibly together we could do something about it.
don't fall into the right wing thimg of just labelling everything you don't like as 'woke'.
Woke means empathic - woke means 'aware of systemic injustices, and desirous of fixing them'.
It's the right wing who attack things under thge 'protect the children!' banner.
Although empathic could be good.
Also, it is very possible I am not using the word "woke" as it was defined at the beginning, but that is the way I see it used these past years to designate the extremists of sensitivity (about race, sex, religion and so on) who want that everything revolves around themselves and can't stand when the same laws they want to enforce come back at them.
As far as the actual definition of "Woke", that's incorrect. See Pauli's definition above, or look it up. The more recent definition of it is based on a purposeful and propagandistic, (And racist) twisting of it by the right here in the US.
But many thanks to my great friend
And that term was co opted from American black idiom. It's blatantly racist.
Being from outside the US it's easy for you to miss the subtleties of this. It's not your fault.
I mean, I know myself where to go but this never will be the same. Then again, "the same" is in the past now, that is how it is.
Mais je ne sais pas, étonnamment j'ai la conviction que tu vas passer entre les gouttes - tant qu'il n'y aura pas un de ces connards d'autoproclamés "white knight" dont la spécialité est le fouille-merde qui passera par chez toi.
No warning, no anything, just PERMABANNED.
I -begged- to be let in again to "fix the issue"
Once in, I wiped my whole gallery, since this site no longer cared for us artist if they could permaban someone who's been here all this years posting regularly.
I only kept my page open to follow the ones that were still here, but I've not posted my stuff here since then.
I left two years or so ago and DAMN, I don't regret it now~ XD
The goal should be enforcing a clear set of rules, not punishing people.
Taking into account when the submission was made should definitely be a crucial part of this process.
FA doesn't even have the maturity to open its moderation messages with the word "sorry." And then they act incensed that the artists they contact are not in a good mood.
I am SO sorry to hear what happened to you <_<
But don't mind, I was already thinking on making IB my main gallery~
So that was just the final push.
This is now a problem of conflating their fantasies with reality.
There's a really simple rule: If you don't like it, keep your mouth shut and move on. Grow TF up, people.
I see all kinds of things I don't like. But it's not for me to dictate my particular taste in art for anyone else.
My blunt two cents are that a fandom about sexy animal people, which celebrates and reveres when those those characters sport anatomically correct animal genitalia, maybe shouldn't be casting stones quite so eagerly.
Thanks Twatter for enforcing the new law: "the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many"
FA admins are having a fascistic power trip. There's degenerate art (toon style porn), and now they ban the artists producing it even before the deadline, those artists are considered subhuman, "Untermensch".
Hitler would be proud of FA.
The idea of pressure from financial institutions are entirely possible, but unsubstantiated at this point.
I see no sign that this is a fascistic power trip on the administration's part though. That doesn't even make any logical sense.
And that person generally doesn’t know what they’re talking about anyways.
One thing I noticed is the high ammount furry hate stuff I bump into on the most random and unrelated places. It seems that hating on furries has turned into a trend.
If you want to be honest, that furry hate has always been there, but I feel like it moved from "those incomprehensible people" to "those disgusting people"
I either never really noticed it or it has increased so much that I finally realized how bad it got.
Now at least they get an idea of the shockwave they generated. Not that it will matter much in the end, of course. FA can and will live without us without skipping a beat, we are not the targeted audience anymore. Our time is done and gone.
Inkbunny has the best UI but since it doesn't allow photography it's relatively useless to me. Weasyl and SoFurry have such tiny user bases that they're barely worth the effort of updating. I do miss the days when the entire fandom was centered around FA but if we're being perfectly honest with ourselves that hasn't been the case in several years already. It's the biggest furry-specific site, but the fandom has put down roots elsewhere. I'll keep using it, but it'll never be the only place I set up shop. That's just too limiting in this day and age.
I am quite puzzled.
The way I've seen it used certainly wasn't as such, but I am also wondering if there isn't a perverted double effect. I mean, being anti-trans, racist and all these intolerant things is something I totally stand against, this is without any question. But unfortunately there are many people from these communities who are overpushing things to frankly unreasonable ends. And when that happens, woe to those who DARE pointing out the excess!!
As far as I have seen from my little corner in France this is indeed what's happening - I have countless examples of this kind where being from a minority allows you to do whatever you want even if it is against the law, but tell this and you are labelled as -phobic.
This is a normal processus however that always repeats in history: when you have a repressed minority that suddenly gets its way to light, it tends to do things in excess until a new balance is reached.
No, being Anti-Woke doesn’t make you racist or any of the other buzz words they love to throw around.
But yeah, fuck this site.
Every stupid file-host gets huge and makes money by serving a niche, and then cries out that nobody could possibly get huge and make money by serving that niche. Like there's no way FurAffinity could succeed unless it becomes DeviantArt. "Somebody bought that thing you loved and destroyed it." So fuck it. Both middle fingers raised as we kiss this place goodbye.
It should not be this difficult to deliver JPGs to perverts.
Please don't make it more difficult, on the way out.
With these grotesque rules and reports of already banned artists without warning, I am not protected from being axed myself though.
Alors, je dois dire que j'ai gardé un souvenir assez maussade de la mésaventure subie il y a plusieurs années, quand FA a brusquement flashé sur un dessin que j'avais posté ici (Isabelle et sa nièce, si tu te souviens bien) et m'a banni carrément pour trois ou quatre semaines... Ils n'ont même pas prévenu, ni cherché à discuter, ni demandé quoi que ce soit : la punition est tombée, et puis c'est tout !
Et, par ailleurs, j'étais sommé de purger moi-même ma galerie, sous risque de la voir tout simplement disparaître....
Et là, maintenant, je me demande si je dois commencer à m'inquiéter... Parce que les gars de chez FA semble viser prioritairement les trucs Pokemon / Digimon, mais je crains que ça ne recommence à tirer tous azimuts.
Et quelque-part, ça m'embête, parce que je me demande si certains de mes personnages, assez ambigus, ne vont pas entrer dans leur collimateur...
It started out with people who took their affinities seriously, sometimes spiritually. They spoke to the collective non-human identity and the yearning for a different world. They began to draw, to write stories, about the worlds they envision, and how different life can be without the artificial shackles mankind has put around itself.
Within there were different moral norms, different sexual norms, different interpersonal norms. The freedom of exploring a species that engaged differently with sexuality, at different ages, and how interwoven sexuality was with basic social interaction, were all themes explored. Back then nobody dared to judge. It would have been antithetical and a "human" thing to do.
Good things came out of this. Within the community strong family bonds between people across the world began to form in the online medium. They formed strong families in formats outside the man-and-woman standard that was the only one accepted at that time. They began to speak out. On how society's masks hinder us. On how Christian oppression was holding back people from loving, uniting. Some took their families as a sort of reunion with lost members from past lives, for others it was a return to more sincere self-expression inspired by that of animals, again unbound by human society's shackles.
This birthed progressive values. Dared to imagine one's life and relationships outside a template forced on us all. Gradually, it spread as the fandom grew bigger and bigger and began to have more public visibility.
Today many of these values still exist as an integral part of the fandom. But those entering now do not know the struggles nor origins that lead to this. Once mainstreamed, it seems that all people cared about was the aesthetic of sexy animals and fursuit cosplay. Society as a whole has moved to the left, lagging behind much of what the furry fandom pioneered in its day.
But mediocrity is now setting in. Instead of continuing with the principles that started out this fandom to begin with, some want it to "settle down". But who decides where it should settle? Apparently, the hordes of normies, the credit card companies, and a little nudge from puritans and useful idiots of the anti-porn far-right who've found in this an avenue to erode a fandom they failed so many times to take down by tackling it head-on.
There is precedent to this. At the turn of the millennium a group called Burned Furs and their leader Squee Rat - later outed as a Nazi - argued that the community should rid itself of the "degenerate" elements. These included LGBT, Plushophiles, Otherkin and more. It struck directly at the driver of the emerging fandom - the benefits of unbound exploration of what could be beyond the established human mores - and the fandom rejected it.
To take the current position - already dumbed down by how commercialized things in the fandom have become - and say "okay that's enough", to encase it in a rigid block of ice with the arrogance of considering that "you got it right" and that THIS is the form it should have, takes away the very soul if what made the fandom so attractive to begin with: its dare to embrace the wild side, without shame, without prejudice.
The fandom was feared for years. Ridiculed on the news, even when the news was a terrorist gas attack at a convention. People disowned or kicked out or fired for being part of it. Even opposition from animal rights groups who argued that if you're into drawings of animals having sex you can't be anything other than a zoophile and an animal abuser. It got to where it is by continuing to be untamed and unapologetic.
To see people who have been elevated into places of power and privilege now throw parts of the fandom under the bus - just because normies and society still have a hard time adapting to them - is one of the most perverted reversals I've ever seen. Ripping out authenticity for the sake of obtaining the embrace and acceptance of the oppressive moralistic gatekeepers who seem to have at least partially accepted the Furry Fandom is an abomination. This system must be taken down not joined with!
It is also incredibly shortsighted. The public at large has only just begun to really accept the fandom, and in recent years concerted right-wing efforts against porn, LGBT people, minorities and systemic spreading of lies and moral panic have actually begun to swing society back to the right. In Florida already a Furry convention had to ban minors due to the extended effect of anti-trans laws based on "groomer panic". When these fascistic forces will rev up the engine and look for more scapegoats to turn into enemies, the Furry Fandom is a likely next target.
Today the original pioneers of the fandom and its foundations are either busy with their personal lives, have settled down with their own families, have been minoritized by the massive influx of new members, and some have passed away. The galleries are full of YCH commission posts, people hardly post personal journals, let alone talk about their intimate feelings that brought them into the fandom or personal visions for its future. The sexual expression is consumed as commercially as any other pornography, and even mainstream porn sites harbor compilations of furry art and animations.
There is a story behind the furry porn. Just as there is behind normal porn. A story of normalizing the sexuality and sexual expression that Christianity has forced us to internalize so much shame for. Of exploring feelings and fantasies with your peers as a form of deeper bonding. Of more sincere exposure and interpersonal communication in a shrewd society where all wear masks. Of being better versions of ourselves. This pursuit must stay unbound of the mores of society if it seeks to overcome them. But society has managed yet again to turn this into a soulless commercial product, and now the vultures are beginning to circle.
Given the state of things, my hope is that artists from around FA - especially those who don't draw cub - go make accounts on sites like InkBunny and begin posting their art there. If we are to overcome this tempest, segregation must fail. The aim of the anti-porn forces that have found a way to fragment this community is to divide. By making sure as many non-cub artists as possible are posting alongside their comrades-in-arts, the attempt to set the community narative as there being "normal furries" and "cub pedos" will fail. There must be only one Furry Fandom, and it must include ALL of us.