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If anyone hasnt read the new FA rule update, perhaps you should.
I'm genuinely not sure how long I'm gonna remain unbanned. I know theres 6 months to clear galleries enough to comply with the new rules but going forward with the mental regression rule...I'm not sure how to approach that. Weirdly I think my
account is gonna be more impacted by the new rules than this one, which feels super odd.
For me my little side was largely all about the headspace, and lets be clear they're not saying mental regression is banned, just mental regression (and physical regression) which then results in things like diaper changes and breastfeeding is banned.
Its okay for minors to be involved in this content but its not okay if the minor was once an adult because that somehow makes it sexual in some way.
I will say that YES regression is a fetish for me, its something i'm strongly drawn to and I think about daily, what isnt true is that fetishes are automatically sexual. That's a fallacy, but it's FAs website so they can define what they want how they want, they've used HALF the defintion of the dictionarys version of fetish because it makes that simple for them, ignore the intricacies of what most of this community has been trying to explain for the past month. That makes my blood boil truthfully, cherrypicking in that way, but again, it's their site they can do what they want, it's always been that way.
So do I feel welcome and safe here...No. No I haven't felt safe since that initial level 4 week long suspension, and struggling to get straight answers out of FA mods about why certain images were banned, felt like pulling teeth most of the time and downright just soul destroying the rest of the time. However I do feel that FA has clarified their line of thought and I feel that the writing on the wall is clearer now. I feel less unsure about what is breaking the rules even if now MORE stuff is suddenly breaking the new rules. At least its clearer.
Will I be leaving, No, although I can't say for certain how long I will remain unbanned as mental regression can obviously be subjective. I HAVE unsubbed to FA+ (altho its still showing the icon until my monthly cycle ends) I wont be giving FA any more money.
I think it's important to still have a presence here for the time being but ALL of my work will be getting uploaded to my website https://squiggles.ikklespace.net/ (which you can set up a free account to) So when theres suddenly holes in my comics where pages have been deleted you'll have somewhere to keep the continuity.
I still feel that we're all valid for having this need in us. There's nothing wrong with having an inner child and wanting to let that child feel the sun on their face after being stuffed in a closet. My inner child deserves to be free she was locked away for so long and I wont shut her in again. No matter how many folk tell me I'm wrong for having this part of me. This is absolutely the hill I will die on, and proudly so.
Most importantly, please be kind to yourselves okay, It's hard when we put something so vulnerable out online because it makes it easier to be attacked, but I appreciate the people who have shared their inner kid here and elsewhere online, you deserve to be seen and you deserve to be loved
I'm genuinely not sure how long I'm gonna remain unbanned. I know theres 6 months to clear galleries enough to comply with the new rules but going forward with the mental regression rule...I'm not sure how to approach that. Weirdly I think my
account is gonna be more impacted by the new rules than this one, which feels super odd.For me my little side was largely all about the headspace, and lets be clear they're not saying mental regression is banned, just mental regression (and physical regression) which then results in things like diaper changes and breastfeeding is banned.
Its okay for minors to be involved in this content but its not okay if the minor was once an adult because that somehow makes it sexual in some way.
I will say that YES regression is a fetish for me, its something i'm strongly drawn to and I think about daily, what isnt true is that fetishes are automatically sexual. That's a fallacy, but it's FAs website so they can define what they want how they want, they've used HALF the defintion of the dictionarys version of fetish because it makes that simple for them, ignore the intricacies of what most of this community has been trying to explain for the past month. That makes my blood boil truthfully, cherrypicking in that way, but again, it's their site they can do what they want, it's always been that way.
So do I feel welcome and safe here...No. No I haven't felt safe since that initial level 4 week long suspension, and struggling to get straight answers out of FA mods about why certain images were banned, felt like pulling teeth most of the time and downright just soul destroying the rest of the time. However I do feel that FA has clarified their line of thought and I feel that the writing on the wall is clearer now. I feel less unsure about what is breaking the rules even if now MORE stuff is suddenly breaking the new rules. At least its clearer.
Will I be leaving, No, although I can't say for certain how long I will remain unbanned as mental regression can obviously be subjective. I HAVE unsubbed to FA+ (altho its still showing the icon until my monthly cycle ends) I wont be giving FA any more money.
I think it's important to still have a presence here for the time being but ALL of my work will be getting uploaded to my website https://squiggles.ikklespace.net/ (which you can set up a free account to) So when theres suddenly holes in my comics where pages have been deleted you'll have somewhere to keep the continuity.
I still feel that we're all valid for having this need in us. There's nothing wrong with having an inner child and wanting to let that child feel the sun on their face after being stuffed in a closet. My inner child deserves to be free she was locked away for so long and I wont shut her in again. No matter how many folk tell me I'm wrong for having this part of me. This is absolutely the hill I will die on, and proudly so.
Most importantly, please be kind to yourselves okay, It's hard when we put something so vulnerable out online because it makes it easier to be attacked, but I appreciate the people who have shared their inner kid here and elsewhere online, you deserve to be seen and you deserve to be loved
Luffy is a sham, a hypocrite ladder climber, a real piece of shit, and should not be welcomed anywhere near this website. Apparently they're trying to get oviposition banned now too for the same fucking reasons.
An issue with us not being all that centralised is that if such a site did come about, it's unlikely to be especially well known.
And now .. a wet or messy diaper, even subtle, in the most harmless, playful setting, on a child character who is still in diapers, is now verboten and will get you banned. <.<
It stings that, according to the new rules, a completely harmless and cute picture with kid- or babychar, who has been happily playing for a while, and is now running around with soggy padding now suddenly equals CP.
And about your Toddlergirl account being more affected than your Babystar one, yes, probably.
A lot of completely harmless Babyfur/Kidfur Accounts, who had never drawn anything spicy, just cute kids in wet/messy diapers (but not depicted in an overly exaggerated way) are not considered evil and would be banned.
I think I probably have one of the most harmless galleries (excluding the subsection about my Cyberpunk Mercenary, that stuff is not harmless, but allowed) ... and even I already deleted multiple pieces of art, because they would probably fall under the rule.
And some of the remaining pictures could probably still get me banned, if a Mod wants to twist around the picture shown.
this place has changed in the last few months, i will stay here and upload the odd image of what ive been making, but i think that should be ok..
but i am definitely looking at other places to move to.
kink and fetish is not 100% sex... and tbh it isnt even 10%.
IB registered in the UK and has to abide by UK rules. The individual who runs has direct talks with ofcom.They talk about it a bit in their update about age verification rules and answers some questions about it in the comments. https://inkbunny.net/j/524380 (Did you know you can have comments on news journals... what a novel idea!) I'm sure GreenReaper would be happy to answer any specific questions and concerns you have.
Of course IB is not going to change what they host unless forced and if you don't want to be there, that is perfectly fine.
you are implying that all artists who draw that kind of content are pedophiles into real life children, which is not true
this isnt meant to be an attack, i have high respect of you and love evrything you do, i just wanted to point that out
I am personally not huge into sexualized cub, though I enjoy non-sexual cub stuff. One, I find it similar to chibi which I do greatly enjoy. But also because it doesn't have to mean that the person is into actual CP. Lots of ageplayers do enjoy cub art, after all, because that's kinda how their mind sees themselves in play. And many ageplayers do not like kids at all, let alone "in that way." So it stands to reason that dark ageplayers could do similar.
Now, obviously, there are those who view and create such art because they are into CP. But that's easily said about a lot of things. Should rape-play art or art depicting rape be banned because some people enjoy it because they want to hurt women? Hell, that argument is used against IRL BDSM a lot because there are people who specifically enter D/s relationships because of an unhealthy desire to cause harm.
Just giving perspective because it's constantly stated that "art means they like it IRL" and that seems like such a flawed argument to me. And is a line that's been used against furries for decades (back when all furry artists regularly dealt with accusations of zoophilia).
If InkBunny had actual CP, it'd be gone already. Inkbunny legit bans humans in general to avoid this.
Regardless I feel like I'm being indirectly attacked. I've never seen "actual" CP or CSAM on Inkbunny and I've been there since the FA cub ban 14 years ago. So I can only assume that as deathclub said replying to this same comment that you're referring to the entirely fictional art people like me have made as if it's real and that's absolutely infuriating. Many of us draw cub for the same reasons the babyfurs draw what they do. Escape to the mind of a simpler time of our lives. Some draw it to cope with their own trauma and abuse. Still others draw it just to express dark thoughts they'd otherwise never act on or wish on a living soul.
Like it or not, much of the Internet doesn't see much difference between babyfur artists and cub artists even if there is a fairly large gulf between most of both groups. We all warned the babyfurs nearly 14 years ago that they'd be the ones getting booted next and nobody believed us. Ya'll are free to follow us to the few remaining corners of the Internet not rotting away under ridiculous censorship because I don't foresee FA being the last site to toss you aside, just the first in a likely chain just like what happened to us.
Living under UK law it's also illegal to make movies of ageplay. That's consenting adults doing adult things. That is also illegal. So shine if it was moving images would be illegal here in the UK as its in comic form it's currently safe.
I must admit I haven't checked if any of these laws have been amended recently but that's my current knowledge on where the UK stands
I didn't mean to make anyone feel personally attacked just where the UK law currently is and why as a result I can't be on inkbunny
With Inkbunny, there is arguably plausible deniability if you do not show an interest in cub stuff and the stuff you favourite involving cubs and ageplay could be argued to be non-sexual. At least that'll be my excuse.
The trick is loopholes and plausible deniability - it's how the powers that be get away with it too y'know? If Inkbunny in of itself was an illegal site, the government probably would be doing more to get it blocked over here, given how big it is. Consider me your guinea pig in this case.
Given how uncommon babyfurs are, there doesn't seem to be any legal precedents - not to my knowledge anyway.
In so far as anything around Age Regressed or "Furry" art goes you'd be fortunate if anyone was ever consulted who would really provide the kind of input that is needed to ensure Images of Children in sexual or "fetished" acts would rightly subjected to the maximum tariff available with taking due account of fictional regressed situations where no person of actual adult legal age are involved and are not available to minors.
what worry me personally is that chubby adult sonas, like my goat, who is short and stout due to her being a... goat. well some might assume she is underage even though the vast majority of my art is with her as an adult, and the few where she isn't do fall inline with the guidelines...
I have always felt that FA was a safe place for people of most all kinks and fetishes. This is where I was able to explore some of my fetishes and really learn about myself.
I am really disappointed in this new ruling. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This pisses me off.
I do admire your high spirit in the face of frivolous bans. You are doing the right thing by letting the special part of you run free. Please keep it up. Wherever you go in or out of FA, you'll always provide comfort to us all.
I have to laugh (nothing else to do) at the contradictions in their own policy, sometimes in the same sentence. They had lots of time to put it together and didn’t even keep consistency in the announcement. My favorite in its absurdity, is the bit about being too heavy handed then immediately saying they’re still doing it that way. There is also the policy itself, they aren’t against babyfurs, just everything they might enjoy
If I ever do finish the the website I’m working on, I want to avid things like this. I want to have members of the communities involved, not just lip service. There needs to be an understanding that this is literally how people make money and wild rule changes with no real explanation is a bad policy for everyone. You need to make rules with the knowledge that this might be the only way someone has to talk about these topics and isolating them could be a final straw.
If the loudest voices continue to be listened to, this site will eventually wind up with clean art only with innuendo banned. The loud voices got listened to once, whats to stop them continuing on the next thing they don’t like. If mass reporting results in rule changes, expect a lot of reports.
Stay strong and grab a hug.
Sorry this got a bit rambly.
Unless they mean that it wasn't unfair, but deliberate and warranted?
Neither of those interpretations do them any good.
"Many users were unsure how their content violated our policies."
And today, many users are still unsure of what content in our galleries may or may not break policy because it is too vague and broad in scope. We're still at the same place we were ±20 months ago.
But one of the kickers, to me, is this one:
"We want to be clear. We are not pushing out or removing the babyfur or ABDL community. You are welcome to still post your content on Fur Affinity so long as it abides by our Upload Policy."
Anyone can say "We are not pushing <group> away from our community" and still implement rules and processes that explicitly make those people unable to realistically stay, or feel welcomed.
To me, this feels like one of those "We welcome gay people in our community, as long as they don't act gay! So no holding hands, kissing, sleeping in the same bed, going out on dates, and especially having sex.".
Or, as the saying goes: Acta, non verba - actions, not words. Or, another to put it would be "Words are cheap".
And the way the kink/fetish definitions are written... Well, realistically, according to the way things are written, we can't post diaper pictures anymore.
Because once again, it's something that could be deemed a fetish by a mod, especially if the diaper is the main focus of a picture.
But then, what about all the "unusual" fetishes that are out there?
A babyfur doing a toegrab? That's awfully close to a footpaw fetish.
A babyfur sneezing? That's awfully close to a sneezing fetish.
A babyfur playing in mud? That's awfully close to a WAM (Wet and Messy) fetish.
The list goes on and on...
In a plane of existence where humans basically fetishize anything and everything, how the HECK are we supposed to navigate this one, realistically?
"Don't put minors in fetishistic images" is just... Sure, they specify that it's okay if it's "coincidental", but where does one draw the line? How do we know if something is considered "coincidental" or not? What are the guidelines? Once again, we are left in the dark and can only HOPE that things will be okay, or that misunderstandings will be cleared and not outright banned/suspended. Once more, everything is extremely subjective and open to interpretation...
And without any way to peer into how moderation is done, what processes they follow, and how this affects what we upload, we are again walking on eggshells about everything.
And I'm just a lowly commissioner/fan. I'm not even an artist, like you. This situation must be intolerable for you and other ABDL/Babyfur artists. And for this, I am truly sorry...
Though at the end of the day, I damn well hope people keep posting here. And if we get suspended, and we know we will eventually - it's a question of "when", not "if" anymore. And we should make them work for their purge.
And when we're all gone, there will be a field of suspended accounts, not unlike a mass grave, that will remain as a tribute to how FA has handled Dragoneer's Legacy. And a warning for any future furries that would make their home on this site, as long as it remains. A warning that will hopefully make them ask "What the heck happened here?".
Let us not go quietly into the night, for we are a sizable part of the community that is vital to it. Show them that casting us aside will cost the community dearly.
TLDR: Feels bad, man. Feels like we're being played again, and FA is getting away with it again.
"Everyone admits how praiseworthy it is in a prince to keep his word, and to behave with integrity rather than cunning. Nevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have done great things have considered keeping their word of little account, and have known how to beguile men’s minds by shrewdness and cunning. In the end these princes have overcome those who have relied on keeping their word." - Machiavelli, The Prince.
Evidently, the staff forgot that they're meant to lie to achieve great things (though 'great' can also be used to describe something big, so I guess it still works - just not in our favour).
Though many have issues with Inkbunny, at least they are consistent and rather liberal with their policies - perfect for us.
Not just because I do not like that content at all, but Canadian laws criminalize that content. And while there's some form of defense that could potentially exist, I do NOT feel like putting my entire life and finances on the line for this.
So while it might be perfect for a lot of people, it's also a potential death sentence for a lot of folks as well.
I was told of a "revival" project for it, but no clue how long and far that will take/go.
SoFurry has been good to me so far, but I was told that it might have similar limitations to FA after the 2.7 update.
I asked for confirmation from the dev/admin/owner, so we shall see where that goes.
And then, lots of folks are talking about Itaku, but it literally prohibits photography that is "just" photography (https://itaku.ee/help/rules, item 12). So my own personal work is undesirable there.
There's just not a good alternative, in the end.
But I personally would rather avoid criminalizing myself over pictures of cartoon animals. :\
Thanks!
The gaslighting is so off the charts they even put it right in the same journal as the lie.
His position, and it was noted and logged a number of times, was "anything not outright illegal should be allowed on FA". There's a lot of stuff he didn't like, but he kept those on FA because of convictions (not the legal kind).
Say what you will about the man, he ran FA out of his heart, out of love for the community, in the end.
With him gone, the only railguard is now removed.
Also, I'd point out that years ago, spicy cub content was removed from the platform because payment processors refused to work with FA as long as that content was on the site (PayPal refused to continue, so FA went to AlertPay - but as a canadian company, due to how the laws are written here, they couldn't work with FA because of that specific type of content). Which led to its removal from the platform, and was why/how InkBunny was created.
Part of me HOPES that the reason 2.7 was updated ±20 months ago is the same reason. But that wouldn't explain why we got three banwaves out of it instead of a steady trickle of removals, suspensions and information-sharing. Not unless there was something going on behind the scenes in addition to this whole payment processor thing.
And with everything going down, FA would need to show some serious proof/credentials that demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that this is not a way to drive us off the platform.
They had multiple chances, and they repetitively blew those.
" But that wouldn't explain why we got three banwaves out of it instead of a steady trickle of removals, suspensions and information-sharing. Not unless there was something going on behind the scenes in addition to this whole payment processor thing."
I've said this in another post, perhaps that the ABDL/Babyfur bans were a test-bed to remove things that the FA Mods dislike. It feels more that way after you've talked about how Dragoneer allowed stuff to be on here.
Case in point, your entire Found and Shine comics. I've read though them all (which I found phenomenally great), and have to state that none of those comics specifically included any baby or diaper fetishism. Do you know why? Because it's all based on Love and Compelling interests. And yeah, a love for something or someone can and usually does involve sex and fetishes, but it's never based on either. And in the case of your comics, neither have been depicted, only love and compulsion. (Well...some hate from Gemma's father too). So rest easy, and know that recent ban put on your account was completely in the wrong. You've done nothing wrong here.
I wonder how I can tell my ace sex-repulsed kinky friends that they are stupidly sexual. :/
I personally find that many times people label something "sexual" because they don't understand how a strong, extremely passionate love can not be sexual in nature more than it being a sexual thing itself.
joking aside, I'd rather keep my inner kid happy than abandoning that side of me as well. I can feel that it's a mandatory piece of myself, and I'd feel lost if I don't have it by my side
Also this FA thing, feels like there testing the water to see what they can change. I bet in a year from now. They will ban anything that has to do with Abdl. But that’s a theory of mine
I hope your FA account remains active, and I'll definitely be setting up an account on the website of yours soon, but I have my doubts. When it comes to the FA staff, words mean nothing - only actions. They can say what they will, but it's their actions that we'll remember.
Anyone checked to see if they have connections with right-aligned politics, including fundie religion?
This isn't that complicated of a statement to understand.
Likewise corporate culture, like with credit companies & payment processors like what Luffy is bending over backwards for, are mostly their own degree of conservative leaning towards fascist.
FA have said repeatedly this is their own decision and not being manipulated by corpo politics as you described.
This is regular ol' bigotry and queerphobia coming from within the queer community, because people have a hard time accepting it's wrong to be hateful of minority sexualities.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that progressive people are never capable of making mistakes or being hateful????
Honestly? Well done. Haven't seen someone lacking that much self awareness in years. I bow to you.
People didn't believe Tumblr & DA when they trotted out the "acktually this was our decision" line. People came with receipts about what is going on, & crushed that lie real quick. It's standard issue for a porn site to claim that because it's FED to them.
Luffy & FA are no longer progressive after bowing to megacorps(Mostly whomever owns credit companies & payment processors...of note is Mastercard's parent company & Chase Bank) that demanded that FA shield them from 1800s-era US obscenity laws related to credit towards CP purveyors that haven't been updated, that the Republican party has promised to weaponize.
It's a money move. Ergo, not progressive.
I have no interest in the babyfur thing--I just enjoy reading Star's journals because I find them fascinating. So I have no dog in this fight.
As I see it, you folks have three options.
You can throw a tantrum and walk out;
You can approach the people who run FA and try to work with them to develop standards of conduct that you all can live with;
Or you can band together and create your own web site dedicated to babyfur/ABDL art.
Keep in mind that many credit processing agencies have cracked down on what they see as child pornography--or any kind of pornography--and if a site wants to process payments, they have to abide by the rules of the credit card companies. It's not fair, but at the same time, you can understand the motivation. Does it hurt artists trying to make a living? Yeah. Does it impede freedom of expression? Yeah. But where do you draw that line in the sand? Where do you make that cut-off between what's "OK" and what's "not OK?"
Running a site like this is a very difficult job. There's a huge number of people who all want things their own way. I understand that Sciggles was hospitalized recently, and is under a lot of stress from dealing with trying to sort out the mess left from Dragoneer's estate, which includes trying to keep the lights on here at FA.
Like I said, I don't have a dog in this fight. I just think the world's full of too much hate already. Folks should try to find common ground instead of flinging insults and vitriol at each other. It's easy to get angry and blame the "other guy" for being a jerk and whatever other horrible names you want to load on them.
What's more difficult is trying to come to a consensus that works for everybody.
I hope you can step up to that responsibility and improve this situation, so that FA can remain that safe place you long for.
we're furries too. we have some elements of a subculture within furry, but I dont want to be shunted off to the side into a place focused only on one of my interests. I like regular furry art too, and regular furry porn, and a whole list of kinks that dont involve diapers where i have friends and connections with those communities. I do not see why babyfur/diaper stuff is so shameful that it has to be excised from the rest of my furriness like a tumor. the reasons they are coming up with for banning this content are spurious and vibes-based. far better to implement the thing we have been asking for for years: tag level block lists, so the people who really dont want to see this content dont have to see it.
(Excellent comment btw)
A purpose-built art posting site for babyfurs/ABDL would ensure that you do not need to deal with stuff that squicks you out (such as most of the content on e621, for example). And considering how popular the subject seems to be here--going on the strength of Star's watchers list--such a site would have a built-in, automatic fan base to support it.
You'd get to set your own parameters.
However, I don't think you'd be able to monetize it due to the policies of the credit card companies.
Possibly it could be a site that provides link-throughs to personal websites, rather than a gallery.
The really hard part would be getting a staff together to run it. Almost every gallery site I've seen has staffing issues.
Walk a mile in the other person's shoes, and all that.
So what do you do? Ask a trick question that only someone over the age of 25 would know? :)
Then the kids would just Google the answer.
"Are you over 18?"
"Yes"
"Welcome aboard!"
Geez, even the SFW landing page here is loaded with porn images.
I got other places to post what I want, not what the site wants. Try to appeal with them means that you're on your knees begging to stay on their "cool kids club", and that never sounded right to me.
I've been saying since they "updated" it on the first time, that this site isn't worth of any trust and that sooner or later, more people would get hit, from "big names", such as you and Fang for example, to smaller ones that were "I'm not gonna be hit, I draw SFW". It's been happening on a bigger proportion for a bit less than 20 months now. and the disgusting "i told you" feeling i've been feeling since then keeps coming back since then.
This site is UNFAIR with it's users, in many aspects, that it gets ridiculous.
I'm glad you have an own website to go and post your comics without any kind of censorship imposed by...ADMINS FROM AN ART SITE THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT ART... to the point they can't see the difference between arts made to tell a story, to express feels and made to people actively J*** off.
This site doesn't deserve anything good from us, including arts
It's been our house and where we gave the first steps on the furry or ABDL community for a lot of us, but it became a toxic place to remain!
We don't need this site
FA made it clear they don't want babyfur or diapers here!
That being put outside my chest, I'm still following you around other social media and frequently checking your arts on your site. they're amazing such as you =)
Can only hope this is enough for people realize this site deserves to begone from the community so we can find a better place
Going to be making a bluesky account this weekend just to follow all the artists I love.
The business around once adult characters having been regressed not able to show in any way a diaper change or breastfeed at all doesn't align to the reality of being regressed even if they may be ways of indicating that are less obvious perhaps.
All said, I endores the core message as for as accessing your content goes - get an account at your own site and read from there - as there's no restriction on what can be hosted.
Gonna re-upload most of my gallery to my bluesky lol (I already got the comm you did for me last year, tagged you in it)
IB is hosted in UK, where you live, so is quite strange is still working there after the news laws added months ago, IB is still online, more like you don´t want to go there, of course i respect that, IB is not a perfect page though, but i can go with it way more that here, or even bluesky as well.
Could you consider adding a comment section on your website for us to all hang out and still interact with you/others like us? largely why I liked it here over the website even when the site was ahead a page or two.
It's really gross after all these years it took the site owner dying for them to pull this stunt - if anyone here knows a good place to connect with other abdls/littles please def comment it - I'd love safer spaces than here to join.
Like... being real, the rule about not allowing art of kids "messing" themselves... at least makes sense given their other policies? Even if it sucks. Banning breastfeeding/diaper changing in the context of agere doesn't, for reasons you've said. They admit these things are not inherently sexual and then say they're banning it anyway without giving a real reason. This is becoming a pattern. It's hard to take what they're saying about reaching out and starting conversations with ageplayers in good faith when, evidently, they've been so difficult for you to get answers out of behind the scenes... Makes me wonder what it looks like for accounts that *aren't* as well established.
That wont be able to happen anymore, so many lost chances of connections, friendships, community, discovery....all gone in a blink.
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First they came for the babyfurs, but those who weren't a babyfur did not feel a need to speak up... Eventually FA will come for their kink...and there will be no one left to speak up for them...
I will follow you where I can, but this is indeed a black time for the furry community and it is only the start of something worse I fear.
Sadly, a 'Deviant' site has chosen to turn on itself, which in a cosmic script is hilarious as hell.
Unless of course, you've spent a lot of time, energy and thought into investing your art/writings, only to have the utterly ignorant and arrogant come along and screw you over.
FA choose its Fate years ago.
I'll look for you on other platforms that aren't so triggered/weak minded!
Rock-on!
Honestly, I've been concerned ages ago when they first cracked down on cub stuff. But mostly, I'm not a fan of rules being sorta vague. Like, how can they tell a character is mentally regressed if it's not part of a comic? I'm glad they at least gave firm definitions of kink/fetish, even if earlier they stated that it's not a universal rule.
Taking this at face value we would have to ask three question. What was reported, When was something reported and also Who reported it.
Because with those questions you also answer if those Reports were actually done in good faith because if you suddenly have for example brand new accounts reporting years old art you can kinda assume that those arent actually reflective of the overall community.
Same goes with older accounts if those reports follow a certain pattern. If for example 100 reports where done by the same 10 to 20 people than you can also assume that this wasnt done in good faith as something like that can be rather easily organized on Discord/Telegram etc. This is again especially true if the art reported is years old as it rather strongly suggest (espeically with the rather user-unfriendly gallery system on this site) that someone activly searched out this art to report it.
So if we dont go with the version that the FA team does that deliberatly (which quite frankly would be much more effort than they needed to invest if they wanted babyfur art banned on this site) its also really likley that they are currently falling for the most basic form of group manipulation.
I try to only depict adult characters in my work, but ... well, diapers are seen as a baby thing. When people think diapers, they think very young children. Never mind the fact that there are many who need to wear them for medical reasons. No! Diapers = Babies. Period.
But, because many on this site have a diaper kink/fetish? Yeah. You could easily make the argument that all expressions of our lifestyle are pedophilia. That, and considering we're a minority, within a minority? It's not hard to turn the majority against us.
Especially when these pure-furs are looking for any excuse to exile and purge the unclean from their new niche. Because they're trying to make the community "normal" or whatever else. That may not be it, but I have noticed a trend amongest those on either extreme. Purity spiraling is an issue, and it tends to infest/fuck over most communities.
Point is, there is no place for puritans or prudes within the furry community. Most people understand this, but I guess some haven't quite gotten the memo.
Either this, or the rumors I've heard about management trying to sanitize the site ahead of a big sale are true.
First would be communication lines like this - the ability for you to write little blog posts to us, and for us to respond with comments.
The second would be a "most recent posts" section, where we could quickly go to see the most recently posted pieces. Might even be worth expanding that a bit and making it possible to "subscribe" to specific comics and to then have a "most recent" section displaying updates to those comics only, especially since there are some folk who won't want to see updates on certain comics due to triggers and whatnot. If these features were implemented, it would honestly be much easier to tell FA "Kiss me arse" and move on.
It would also be interesting to consider expanding in a way and enabling specified "partner" users to upload their comics as well, such as Miss Kim. Not a wide-open "anyone can post" thing like FA, but more controlled. Main reason being, you don't want to have to moderate EVERY user who may show up and all that, just allowing a few trusted folk a place to post. Giving them their own comic sections with admin privileges over their sections and such. A lot more challenging to pull off I suspect, but it could be nice.
If you're subbed to teh $10 tier and above then the most recent comic pages are a tab in its own right, and then when those comics age out of the $10 tier subscription they end up in their own comic section in the comic tab, so people who want to read found can just read found, people who read shine can just read shine, without any cross contamination from the other comics. the page can be ordered in any way the individual user wants by clicking a drop down tab (order ascending to see the first page, order descending to see the most recent page) Each comic page alo has its own little comment section, again not hugely obvious, (each thumbanil of each page in teh comic tab has a small speechbubble in the bottom right corner that when clicked allows for comments, my husband is currently working to scrape all the comments from FA and embeddeding them into the comments section on the website so that we dont lose those as truthfully there some of the most important interactions an a large part fo why im doing this comic in the first place)
"Why to invest in programming multilevel access system based on age and adjustable personal preferences to keep people from seeing stuff they don't like or are not in age to see it yet, when you can simply put it on the ban list...? Yeah. It's the way people with not enough intellect thinks. Cause they cannot even imagine that there are multiple ways to deal with thinks like this without doing immense harm.
I know orgateam might be afraid of haters and their threats by yappin to police, etc.... but haters are gonna hate anyway... and going with their game is always only the straight road to hell. Especially when you're doing nothing violating the law. It just gives them more power and makes them even cockyier.
I just feel sick of all that.
And also feel sorry for your comic as it's really good one and helped me a lot to understand and deal with some personal stuff. *sends hug*
Btw. sorry to everyone for comment bit on a toxic side of spectrum, but life was pretty rough recently and this whole new rule is quite like a slap (or more like kick) in the face.
I'm Faoleas Fenrisúlfr. It's honor to meet you *bows down in an atempt to act as a propper gentleman... not very convicing as he's a bit clumsy 😂*
My hope is the FA mods will privately sit down with remembers of the ABDL furry community and come to a compromise. That would be... pro-community and pro-social, to say the least.
Anywho, to go along with the theme of introducing ourselves -- Wayward Pony, fellow ABDL artist and writer, just starting out with drawings. I am self-taught and have fun trying to analyze the work of others to learn from them. Been watching your stuff for a number of years -- it's very prolific and varied. Hope you can continue here unimpeded, and we can work this out together as a community.
Love <3
The Shine comic really helped my many times. Even the feeling that you're not alone and there are many other people, who went through the same stuff and sh**ty feelings it's comforting in some way. I'm still trying to fight it and mostly hate myself for that, but it helped me to calm it a bit and to open up to a few close friends (which was maybe the hardest thing to do, and i felt like i'll get an heartattack any moment). Luckily they don't hate me for it and they've even shown their support to me.
And few of them even told me, that it's their thing too and offered me a safe space if i'll need any.
I'm still dealing with myself having this kink, as in my head i've always wanted to live a "lovely family life", which seem soo alien to me now with this part in me, and always was "the strong one, who protects others", but also i'm starting to understand that we do not choose our kinks and it's also impossible to get rid of them. So it's better to find a way to live happy life with people, who accept you for who you relly are, rather then be unhappy and secretly hate yourself while trying to put on an fake mask of "normality".
Sry. For my english btw. as im not a native ENG.(and also had beer to find a courage to write here, cause it still puts me in a state of internal panic)
Honestly you're not the first person, who told me that recently (cause i opened about this stuff and that personal crysis for the first time to some friends just maybe a month ago). I went through two long term relationships(and yeah two relationships at all), the last one was 8 years long and.... i wanted to tell her many times, but i wasn't mentally able... didn't want to hurt her feelings. Also i was terrified of how she would react (which was maybe the right choice as there was some really nasty stuff when we broke). And of course, the inner critic, who was yelling in my head that this is all wrong..... guess you know it personally as I know from early pages of your comic. I would say I'm now mentally somewhere at the beginning of the story, when Star and Manda first met for the coffee at Manda's place.
I'm not good in dating stuff. It was more like both girlfriends just came and took me, cause i'm mostly bit dumb and blind to flirting. But yeah. Many friends told me, that some girl like me, but i'm just blind to see it, or maybe just too shy cause of all that inner stuff in my head... I guess i neet to work more on myself...
But still can't imagine to just tell someone(especially attractive girl) face to face that i'm into this. Maybe i should finally "man up" and join the local comunity and try my luck there, as i didn't yet. 😅 (was to embrassing to even think that someone may recognize me there)
Being vulnerable is a dangerous game and it allows loved ones the opportunity to hurt us, the rewards when it goes well though are worth it and finding a partner you can share ALL of yourself with is immeasurable.
I'm sorry your previous relationships didnt work out, but perhaps finding someone within the community would give you a better outcome.
But you're right that it's wort it. Till recent it was quite rewarding to open up in that as those of my friends, who know, showed me quite a support. It helped me to more accept myself as i am.
And don't feel sorry for my previous relationships as everythig, good or bad, we go though is an experience. An these things makes us who we are. And if i'll go through my past, i'm glad it all happened. I may be far from "being perfect" but still. If all the bad things never happened, then who knows... i may be missing even all the good things that happened aftervards. I'm glad for all friends i've got, who helped me in my darkest hour... and i'm also glad to find you and your comic, who helped me to finally take a breath and open up in these things to someone 🙂
And at least you have my support, as i still have those protective manners 😂 No I really mean it 🙂
here is a link so you can see the site for yourself
https://www.weasyl.com/
bit slower over there though but its at least one alternative for now.
otherwise im not really sure how many or witch ones are admins to be honest.
I might have to restart my account on there.
https://bsky.app/profile/goodboylig...../3l7t7tifghk2u
so seems they have a account there and is going =/.
When they trip, offer them a hand, not a heel.