No.
10 years ago
A few days ago, I systematically removed from my gallery every submission that was of mature and adult nature.
I categorically refuse that the art I put so much of my heart and soul into, the art that often came out a long process of brainstorming to try to fix the best of it before laying even the first line on paper, be associated with ads leading to brainless shitty porn sites. I came to FurAffinity almost ten years ago because it was an ART site, with everything centered around ART, that without discrimination allowed confirmed artists as well as totally newbies to post their pictures and interact without any barrier. FA has been through a lot of shitstorms since its beginnings, but I always have personnally supported Dragoneer's decisions whatever people would say or do (it's a tough job and you must sometimes make really hard decisions that will undoubtly alienate you half your public).
That is, until recently.
The 7-monthes old StarryKittengate was the first BIG mistake that made me radically question FA's staff methods. A real and deep trust breaking appeared between FA and its users.
Surprinsingly enough, I totally understood Dragoneer's recent decision to more and more disengage from FA and let IMVU put its nose in here. He was head-on into FA, his child, against all odds, certainly a very grievous job since the furry community is an especially unthankful kind one (frankly, at my beginnings here I wrote an article in a french magazine flattering the open-minded furries; I would have written it a year after, it would have been the exact opposite, I NEVER encountered that deliquescence in any other group of people - and I feel very lucky that the vast majority of people who interacted with me here weren't of this kind). But this. Trying to get more money to support the site is totally understandable, I was very shocked but accepted the first all-public google banners for that reason.
The adult ones, on another hand... I will not enter in any sterile vindication about how I feel and what I think about those, I will just emphasize the fact that THEY ARE BLATANTLY BREAKING AT LEAST FIVE FA'S OWN AUP PROHIBITED CONTENTS RULES, lemme copy/paste them for you right below:
3. Photography
(Prohibited Content)
3.3 - Photography featuring sexual activity (human or animal) is prohibited.
3.4 - Photography displaying adult toys (sex toys or sexually modified objects) is prohibited, unless they are not in use, being worn, don’t show signs of having been in use, you created them from scratch, and you mark them with the adult content rating.
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
3.6 - Photography containing bodily fluids, gore/injuries, or death is prohibited, unless the content is fake, special effects, or the final product of taxidermy when the pelt is preserved in good condition and the presentation is in good taste. This includes freeze dry and wet taxidermy as well as bones and finished pelts, but excludes anything raw or gory.
3.8 - Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited.
No.
I do not trust FA anymore, after nine-and-a-half years of blind confidence. My art, on the pages I manage, will not serve promoting woeful greedy pornsites. Dragoneer, maybe you had enough of everything, and I can understand that (I wouldn't have pesonnally bear all that for that long myself), maybe you now just want to kill the community you created. You did well. FA will certainly survive, but will never remain that site I loved posting my art onto. Things must evolve. It is sad that some devolve.
I may poste some more art later and observe the evolution of this site, but it will only be suitable-for-work only, waiting for anymore fauxpas and a then definitive withdraw. I am finished doing adult art anyway, it belonged to a happy and horizon-less part of my life that's long gone now.
Also, thank you Dragoneer for letting me realize what a fool I've been to refuse using ad-block until now. Even if that means I will not be able anymore to look at - and sometimes click on - artist banners. With everything that implies for the concerned artists themselves.
I categorically refuse that the art I put so much of my heart and soul into, the art that often came out a long process of brainstorming to try to fix the best of it before laying even the first line on paper, be associated with ads leading to brainless shitty porn sites. I came to FurAffinity almost ten years ago because it was an ART site, with everything centered around ART, that without discrimination allowed confirmed artists as well as totally newbies to post their pictures and interact without any barrier. FA has been through a lot of shitstorms since its beginnings, but I always have personnally supported Dragoneer's decisions whatever people would say or do (it's a tough job and you must sometimes make really hard decisions that will undoubtly alienate you half your public).
That is, until recently.
The 7-monthes old StarryKittengate was the first BIG mistake that made me radically question FA's staff methods. A real and deep trust breaking appeared between FA and its users.
Surprinsingly enough, I totally understood Dragoneer's recent decision to more and more disengage from FA and let IMVU put its nose in here. He was head-on into FA, his child, against all odds, certainly a very grievous job since the furry community is an especially unthankful kind one (frankly, at my beginnings here I wrote an article in a french magazine flattering the open-minded furries; I would have written it a year after, it would have been the exact opposite, I NEVER encountered that deliquescence in any other group of people - and I feel very lucky that the vast majority of people who interacted with me here weren't of this kind). But this. Trying to get more money to support the site is totally understandable, I was very shocked but accepted the first all-public google banners for that reason.
The adult ones, on another hand... I will not enter in any sterile vindication about how I feel and what I think about those, I will just emphasize the fact that THEY ARE BLATANTLY BREAKING AT LEAST FIVE FA'S OWN AUP PROHIBITED CONTENTS RULES, lemme copy/paste them for you right below:
3. Photography
(Prohibited Content)
3.3 - Photography featuring sexual activity (human or animal) is prohibited.
3.4 - Photography displaying adult toys (sex toys or sexually modified objects) is prohibited, unless they are not in use, being worn, don’t show signs of having been in use, you created them from scratch, and you mark them with the adult content rating.
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
3.6 - Photography containing bodily fluids, gore/injuries, or death is prohibited, unless the content is fake, special effects, or the final product of taxidermy when the pelt is preserved in good condition and the presentation is in good taste. This includes freeze dry and wet taxidermy as well as bones and finished pelts, but excludes anything raw or gory.
3.8 - Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited.
No.
I do not trust FA anymore, after nine-and-a-half years of blind confidence. My art, on the pages I manage, will not serve promoting woeful greedy pornsites. Dragoneer, maybe you had enough of everything, and I can understand that (I wouldn't have pesonnally bear all that for that long myself), maybe you now just want to kill the community you created. You did well. FA will certainly survive, but will never remain that site I loved posting my art onto. Things must evolve. It is sad that some devolve.
I may poste some more art later and observe the evolution of this site, but it will only be suitable-for-work only, waiting for anymore fauxpas and a then definitive withdraw. I am finished doing adult art anyway, it belonged to a happy and horizon-less part of my life that's long gone now.
Also, thank you Dragoneer for letting me realize what a fool I've been to refuse using ad-block until now. Even if that means I will not be able anymore to look at - and sometimes click on - artist banners. With everything that implies for the concerned artists themselves.
FA+

I enjoyed your art a lot. I hope you are doing ok in your life.
You can't trust donations- that would be a completely unsound business choice.
So, you... do what in it's place?
Personally, I have ad blockers on. The vast majority of my internet is ad free and this was the first time I heard about it.
But, that aside, how do you generate revenue?
The problem is that FA now has sleezy pornographic ads that go against its very own ToS, on a site that is accessible to minors and that these ads -as these sorts of sleezy pornographic ads so often are- are loaded with malware.
...And this malware stuff. You need more than a ad blocker to protect your computer. You need NoScript or something similar as well.
Now, this site is full adult rated material and we have a filter that makes sure kids can't see it. Doesn't that same filter keep the ads away from them as well?
If your revenue rising plan involves risking your customers' material property then you need to get a new plan. And some ethics.
Even have an under-18 account does nothing to stop the explicit pornographic image ads.
And you're telling me that's okay?!
I would have suggested IB or even Sofurry but seeing as how you're withdrawing totally, I understand.
Yes, I adblock AND script block, though I stated doing so due to youtube's assimilation by google, so I was blind to most of the shit being slapped on FA's banners until the non adblockers started making topics.
It's disgusting and I'm sad to see that it means you will be vanishing.
I've enjoyed your content from way back in yahoo/smart groups and following you wherever I could get to.
it sucks to see it end this way.
However, while I'm not happy, I understand it fully and respect your choice, just as I always respected you as a person.
Be safe, and perhaps, the blowing sands of time will let us cross paths again.
People like you, I WILL regret, if FA makes me totally withdraw.
You did not support FA by uploading content for almost 4 years. Why announce that you plan to do so now, after this?
About intercations, I was in fact saying "without any barrier" speaking about artists of different levels. Once again, as I wrote, I understood and accepted the reasons for cub ban, despite the fact it affected also my own works back then.
I respect and admire your art and after such a long silence I am happy to see you're still about.
Take care and be well in all that you do.
75% of the time even looking at furry prons, the ads refuse to even appear. =o.o= So far all I've come across is an one ad for astroglide and one very bland one for cartoony human crap with nothing particularly offensive innit. :^
Ah well. It stinks to see so many folks go. I totally understand why they want to but at the same time it's over stuff that just doesn't disturb me much and I can't even find. =x.x=
Hope to see your (and others) works elsewhere eventually, if there is an elsewhere. =^.^=
I also hope that you'll someday reconsider and post your art on other sites (like Weasyl or IB) so that, if something bad happens and FA goes down, we'll all still have a place to see your art. Diversification is beneficial to all.
Take care.
You are still on FA ???
What about Inkbunny? It's way better than FA.
https://inkbunny.net/
No image resolution limitation, NO ADS, modern note system + layout, friendly user base + mods, cubs, many great artists. Ohh and btw we even have FA artists over there, who draw cubs there :> Like e.g. wetherby. =P
I'd love to see more of your art!^^ I love your Gatomon, Rita, Renamon all cute!!!
tired of the people?
this is why i was even trying to get myself BANNED even tho my coscience is still pretty much pristine ..FA has lost his meaning to me as well..everything is just pure confusion and drama...no fun left...
Ce site part en sucette depuis un moment déjà mais là ça empire apparemment. Ce n'est plus que pognon maintenant.
Des gens ont été assez naïfs pour croire que le rachat par IMVU ne changerait rien. Je n'ai vu aucune des pubs grâce à AdBlock mais il parait que certaines sont trash en effet x)
FA vivra tant que la communauté sera ici. Le jour ou la plupart des artistes partiront les fans suivront.
Mais après sur quel site aller ? Inkbunny passe pour un repère de pédophiles, Weasyl semble ramer dès que trop de monde est dessus, Sofurry à une interface brouillonne et lourde qui fais lagger les plus basses connexions, Pixiv est principalement pour publique japonais....
Même avec son interface peu pratique, Fa semble le plus fluide pour le moment. Ca doit être pour ça que je ne m'exile pas x)
Ceci dit, pour le pognon, il ne faut pas se leurrer, la mémoire, l'electricité, la maintenance, tout ça ça coûte cher, chercher des subsides est totalement normal. Mais tout dépend où l'on va les chercher. Se prostituer, oui, vendre son âme au Diable, non.
Je ne peux critiquer les gens de vouloir se faire un peu d'argent mais parfois ils abusent vraiment. Il est facile de viser Dragoneer mais quand on regarde de façon globale les autres ne valent pas mieux.
Par contre le jour ou ce site deviendra payant ce sera sa fin :/
Quand je vois des commissions à plusieurs milliers de dollars, eh bien tu sais quoi ? Je suis CONTENT pour l'artiste.
Quand on râle contre les artistes, c'est qu'on en est jaloux. C'est vrai qu'il y a de quoi parfois, mais si on s'en rend compte, tout de suite ça va mieux. Et puis, en-dehors de leur popularité qui fait automatiquement monter les prix (n'oublie pas non plus que certains en vivent), la plupart de ceux qui demandent de hautes sommes ont un réel talent et font de superbes images qui leur prennent énormément de leur temps.
Je gueule plutôt contre le fait que l'argent à tendance à tout régir de nos jours, dans le furry compris. Il n'y a plus de décence ni de noblesse d'âme dans le plus gros de notre société.... Tu me dira je ne sais pas si c'était mieux avant ? :X
Et si j'étais moi-même artiste, serais-je meilleur ? Probablement pas D:
Décence ? Noblesse d'âme ? Réveille-toi, il n'y en a jamais eu. Il y a deux cents ans, c'étaient les mêmes qui nous faisaient des grandes tirades humanistes et qui se demandaient si les Noirs avaient une âme. Ces qualités n'existent dans aucune société, elles ne sont l'apanage que de quelques individus. L'argent a toujours tout gouverné, la différence c'est qu'il y a 1000 ans, toi et moi n'en aurions jamais vu la couleur avant de mourir à 30 ans d'épuisement pour engraisser les seigneurs locaux.
Je vois bien que la décence n'a pas cours ici bas, de même que la noblesse d'âme.
Voir une société ou ces deux qualités (?) seraient présente me semble une utopie :(
Quand au peu d'argent que l'on nous donne, il sert à faire fonctionner le commerce inutile (société de consommation :D ) et à.... revenir dans les poches des "seigneurs" avec les taxes diverses x)
Pour en revenir aux artistes, tous ne sont pas défendables. J'en connais certains qui dès qu'ils ont une altercation avec un watcher demandent à leurs fans d'aller le rosser verbalement. Sans compter l'orgueil de certains qui les poussent à faire tout un tas de saletés à ceux qui leur font de l'ombre.
'fin bon ce sont des êtres humains quoi ;)
Whatever your aims are now, particularly with the cessation of adult art, I hope it brings you some manner of satisfaction. :)
Anyway, thank you very much for your testimonial
You were one of the earlier artists who I found in the furry fandom. I remember pieces of Krystal, and other works both fantastical and bizarre. Now, much of what I remember has been lost forever, only to be replaces with cheap imitations and raucous comments of disrespect among the untamed wilderness of the darker corners of the internet.
I wish you had come to us, your fans, before making such a quick decision. I wish you had reached out to Dragoneer as an influential artist instead. I've not had many people I watch leave FA from the drama, but this last decision seems to have deeply moved the people that hold art ideals I appreciate. I would have rather seen people try to work with Dragoneer and explain to him how it is a bad decision for the artists who choose to make their homes here, and give him a chance to correct it. And if acknowledgement of the issue is still not made by the next update, then I would suggest a gallery shutdown. Not removal, because that's permanent, but that other option. The one that leaves images for searching and linking, but says 'I'm not here anymore' when people reach their top page.
In the end, it's your decision, and it's already been made. But if someone doesn't shed a tear, then the message of feeling never gets shared...
Now, it sures always brighten my days to listen to the impact it seems I made on you. A lot, you can believe me. And I am really sorry my decision saddened you, I do understand. That's also why, thinking about people like you, that I did not wipe out my entire gallery the way I wanted more than three years ago, and that I kept the SFW now.
Anyway, all that apart, you seem to give me far more power than I'll ever have. I am certainly not even in the top1000 watched artists here, and have probably as much influence on admins than the worm crawling inches deep in the soil under your feet got on your thoughts when you walk. As for a gallery shutdown, that's totally the opposite of my goals: it would mask my main page to everybody and leave all the adult pictures reachable with those horrible porn ads stamped to them, while I on the contrary do not want any porn ad in relation to my works, but leave the rest of my gallery to be fully viewable to my faithful watchers. That was my aim.
Pour ton journal je ne peux qu'approuer ce que tu dis ... helas ... et déjà plusieur bon artiste on vraiment commencer a plier bagages ... enfin ... on verras bien ce qui se passeras dans le futur mais je commence a croire que ce site seras tres bientôt sur le respirateur
Your style of art is unique and wonderful. I will never forget the Chip 'N Dale pieces you drew, especially the one you did for me back in the day.
I wish you the best of luck with any path you choose with your future. It seems you have been heartbroken for many years now but some day that will change. Everything changes given enough time. Life gets better... it gets worse. But ultimately you just have to live it and make the most of it. I hope that one day you will no longer feel burned out and empty inside, and that another someone or something will give you all the joy you deserve.
You tell us to just forget about you. To forget your existence. To forget what you have created. However, its imposable to forget a Legend.
One day, you will find the strength to put pen to paper once more. That distant flicker will find enough wick to spark back to life.
We will be here when that day comes.
Le jour où je décide de quitter les crayons pour diverses raisons tu fais ton come-back en filigrane. Nan mais j'ai l'air de quoi maintenant? Faut que je continue désormais è^é
Je comprends particulièrement tes griefs envers FA et ses choix 'discutables'...
Je suis sûr que ca te parle un peu. Tout ce que je griffone dernièrement n'est que amertume et déception, donc peu intéressant et qui alimente encore plus l'auto-dénigrement.
I can only say I'm trying to work to fix it, and trying to improve things across the board.
What is the real purpose of these ads anyway? Why are they here? I have seen so many times that donations were exceeding the needs, and indeed it worked quite well all these years... Until IMVU came here (or, more probably, has been invited to lighten your load - once again, this I totally understand). There is no coincidence in that, FA will just be another cash cow for IMVU now, nobody is fooled (I doubt they would maintain FA for free anyway). This is not a problem for me as strange as it may sound, as long as FA stays an art site. But why mature/adult banners? Does that really generate so much more money that it is essential, even if that means so many people (like me) installing adblock systems? Meaning that money, instead of going to artists and support them, will go toward stupid porn sites? Did FA really need that, Neer? Have I been that blind, not to see the majority of FA's public is so hornily stupid that it will be attracted and click on these banners? Is that really so? Or... Is it the public FA is going to attract now, ready to violate its own rules to this end?
I am lately sometimes wondering if you don't do all this on purpose, just to somehow punish the people on FA. Oh, funny enough, it would be childish but in some ways I would agree!!
There is no other site than FA I want to upload my art onto. But I am not ready to see FA transformed into another rule34-like site (I fought some time to try removing my pictures from such sites, uploaded by some overzealous fans, and finally abandonned long ago). I am one among so many greater artists there, I am nothing more than a few pages, I have absolutely no power to turn any tide, not even to slightly bend any. If FA turns that way, I will simply vanish without anymore whisper.
*getting some hopes again*
I'm such a stupid sentimental... Disappointment strikes even harder this way. Don't let this happen. Please.
And as I told Dragoneer above, if FA goes wrong again, there will be no more Asthexiancal either.
Thank you very much for all your work. :)
Here´s hoping another lucky periode will hit you sooner or later (hopefully sooner).
Just reading about how you turned away from drawing things that made you happy is a sad thing, man. I mean, coloring your sketches was the thing that got me into doing my own pictures. Just working off your art and asking you questions taught me a lot of things. I still use them - hell, i'm still trying to get as good as you are.
I won't insult you by pretending to know what you're going through or offering help that i can't give you anyway, but .. i dunno.. i guess i just wanted to say Thank you.
So there.
And very happy to have had this influence on you, having somebody tell me that's because of my works he began drawing himself, I think that's one of the highest compliment you can make. Just keep it up and literally outstrip me (pun intended).
I was recently getting back to practicing of digital inking with pens using several of your drawings. If you're ok with it I'd like to post it somewhere once I think I'm finished with it/them. Even if they'd get down sized with this places size limits.
Unfortunately I do not know the person very well, and I know just the drawings. Is why a tiny article...
For what it's worth, the exquisite care and warmth you put into even your sauciest drawings always served as a reminder that art can be sexually explicit without being pornography in the industrialized sense of the word.
Hope to keep seeing you around.
Même si tu considères que ça appartient à une période révolue de ta vie et qu'ils ne te correspondent plus.
Trop d'artistes furry à mon goût ont déjà pratiqué ce genre de grand ménage par le vide sur le Net (comme Jay Naylor et Greg Panovich). Bilan : des tas de dessins que j'aimais bien et qui sont aujourd'hui pratiquement introuvables...
En ce qui me concerne, il y a des trucs que j'ai totalement fait disparaître à certains endroits, mais à cause de circonstances un peu particulières.
Sinon, j'ai constaté que quelques fans me parlaient avec nostalgie d'horribles crobards que j'avais commis il y a plus de 12 ans...
C'est vrais qu'ils ne me correspondent plus trop aujourd'hui.
Mais, bon, chez certains, ils sont aussi attachés à une certaine période de leur existence (la découverte du Furry ou d'un auteur, par exemple...).
Déjà, je ne veux que poster sur FA et non pas me diluer sur des milliers de sites, je passerais ma vie devant mon écran et je trouve que j'en fais déjà trop. Et puis, vous faites aussi les frais de ma propre stupidité. Quand j'ai commencé à poster mes dessins, le web était pour moi un lieu convivial, d'échanges, de gens relativement sensés. J'ai donc posté des dessins "normaux" sous mon nom, et les autres, adultes, sous un pseudo. Oui mais voilà, les gens ont commencé à reposter mes dessins en vrac partout ailleurs sur des sites bien moins sécurisés que FA, et ont associé les deux noms... Je te passe les détails, je pense que tu as saisi ce que je veux dire (inutile d'épiloguer).
Puisque je n'ai plus l'intention de faire des dessins adultes (déjà que pour les autres, c'est assez fortement compromis), autant faire d'une pierre deux coups. Je comprends tout à fait ton point de vue, et c'est aussi le mien en règle générale. Crois-moi, j'ai longtemps réfléchi avant d'en arriver là (j'ai même failli me retirer complètement à plusieurs reprises ces quatre dernières années). Mais ce que je dis dans ce journal n'est pas une excuse, c'est la réalité, je ne mêlerai pas mes dessins à des sites avec des bannières de cul vulgaires, et qui contredisent leurs propres règles. D'autres couillons l'ont déjà bien assez fait pour moi ailleurs, tu l'auras remarqué.
En fait, j'en ai plus qu'assez de tout ça. De tout. L'humanité est une vraie connerie. On ne mérite pas l'incroyable chance que l'on a d'exister.
I have a few ideas though, but don't know if and when I will do anything more. And I am done with everything mature/adult.
But, very well.
Just - do something. I'm not sure if I'm alone there, but the spark of an idea rising must never be suppressed.
(And then only some of them.)
Anyway, see you whenever.
Im glad you decided to stick around and not dissapear into Oblivion
May the Force / Schwartz be With you :)
Life Long and Prosper :)
Sorry i was gone for awhile
I wanted to say, that I am active again!
And if you are looking for an enjoyable site, then give inkbunny.net a chance. It is my site of choice for quite some time now. ❤
Nice to hear you are coming back to business; as for inkbunny, I've got an account here but will never upload anything as I said on the frontpage - at the time I was drawing, I couldn't manage more than one site at a time, and as for nowadays, the question is nomore valid all by itself.
If you won't mind, I might end up re-lining some of those images again with somewhat better skills.
And for IB, you are always welcome to lurk or comment!
I will still post some stuff here on FA, but the majority will goes onto IB.
And thank you for remembering me. \o/
I often thought of deleting this journal but it's a pretty good explanation as to why people can find pictures on some sites I would not speak about, that aren't in my gallery anymore, although I always said I would post my works on FA only.