a fuckin men

good luck amassing a following elsewhere, all we really need is to break the habit of associating this place w the center of all furry activity

before you go, where did you get your icon

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/19575524/

I'll definately follow you on Twitter, but I have so many artist friends going to do many sites I just can't keep up... it's hard for me to keep track of who goes where. I'll do my best to support my friends, but it's just an overwhelming amount of sites and people to keep tabs on.

This is why I stick to FA and DA (to a much lesser degree). As simple as FA is, I kind of like it personally and won't move unless it shuts down permanently.

This happens literally every time something happens though. People get all uppity and then hop on the bandwagon for whatever is the newest furry site, and then come back eventually when they realize their business isn't doing so well. I've seen it happen so many times and this isn't any different.

Not to mention the only reason this site is the most attacked is because it is the most popular. I guarantee if some other site like weasyl was as popular the same kind of attacks would happen there, and then people would leave that site for some other site.

please, place your hand on the screen so I can high five you over the net.

Are you leaving too?

I will no longer be as active here, I can not rely on this site for my sole income, not to mention the mods hate me. But ill post stream notices here as I always have just not as much art

I'm sorry things are like that...:(
I wish you the very best, dear.

-People have known for quite some time how garbage the site is, its not new to anybody who has been here for a while.
-People always want to leave, but its for reasons that can, will, and have happened everywhere else (Sometimes in secret)
-The Customer and Supporters are as hurt as the Artist, they can't communicate and worry bout their money and product as much as the artist worries about getting paid and getting business
-More people need to ask for and share alternative contacts for when something like a downtime happens, for some reason not everybody with a business here does that yet
-By asking the watcher and consumer to come with you, you are asking them to abandon their preferred place (if they like it here) just because you dont like it here and follow you elsewhere. - Over time many different places have opened up, and everyone is flocking all over the place, this creates the issue that we have to create multiple accounts across multiple places to follow everyone we like. This creates a new issue That i shouldn't have to explain....and that why people don't do it.
And that leads to artists coming back and Dealing With It.

And...honestly, as garbage as this site is...its the most familiar, Simple and user friendly out of everything. Inkbunny coming at a close 2nd...although there is a certant fetish most people dont care for over there....
I knew about FN before its beta, and I can't be a big part of that place until some updates, Im not a fan of its layouts.

People might seem cold about it, but that's just the case. It always has been and it always will be.

Time and time again I've seen people say they're moving elsewhere, and unsurprisingly they return. As old as FA is we need to appreciate the fact it's allowed so many the popularity they have, and over such a long period of time.

I don't think it's so much people mocking those who are saying they'll leave as it is a pattern that happens every time FA goes down. People get upset, posts go up all over saying that FA and Dragoneer are garbage, FA stays down, people start to migrate but keep waiting for FA to return, FA goes back up, artists say they are leaving, artists don't get half the pageviews they do on FA elsewhere, artists reluctantly return because FA is where the people are.

FA would have to go down, hard, for more than a year for people to actually finally leave this site.

People wouldn't be so cold if it wasn't a commonplace thing to say stuff like "I'm leaving the fandom forever" or "I hate FA, it's terrible and I am never coming back." Only to turn around in a couple of weeks when they realize their watches aren't just gonna sign up for something new just to follow them.

There are two sides to every story.

Most "new" Furry sites are low-traffic and instable in their own ways.
Well FA gets attacked and boycotted, and we simply don't have a very strong Adminteam.

Artists have to keep contact ways open and best is still via mail, sites are often just sub-optimal.

I laugh because blaming a website for the actions of a hacker or someone who is a script kiddie who decides to DDOS a site is insane. Hacking theres only so much you can do against it, and really depends on how it was carried out; DDOS is impossible to prevent. You can mitigate it some, but you cant stop it (if you want your site to run decently at all).

I've tried to tell people that FA is 'the main target' and that if the other sites had similar happen it would be a similar outcome and that the personality of those in charge doesn't magic away all the problems, but people remain unconvinced.

DA is a lot bigger then FA and they dont have anywhere close to as many issues as we do here. Hell theres a lot of furries on DA close to as many. Heck e621 has almost as much comtent as FA does and it doesnt have issues like FA.

If Dragoneer would have used the money he got from the fundraiser and from selling out to IMVU there wouldnt be an 8th of the issues.

The "staff" needs to research the software/coding they are going to use before just throwing it on hoping for the best because they would rather do other things then WORK on what they "claim to love".

Also since IMVU bought FA I have only noticed 2 new staff members really doing anything. Doesnt seem like much of an improvement if you ask me.

DA caters to a wider audience, FA has a specific demographic, and is generally a higher target.

MS and Sony are often the butt of random attacks as well, and people still fall into the same logical issues blaming MS and Sony for things they literally cannot control nor prevent (DDOS attacks can only be mitigated, not prevented, and for a service like theirs most mitigation tactics are unusable).

You cannot realistically blame FA for being attacked unless they knew about whatever vulnerability was exploited before hand. Thats not how the internet works.

Its called research something before you use it, also as I said DA has close to the same amount of furry users as FA and yeah then theres the member count to all the other interest groups as well. If you would think about it then wouldn't DA have as many problems as FA if not more then if what you're trying to piece together was true?

DA would get attention of more hate groups then FA ever will but yet they are able to manage securing their site WAY better then FA ever has. So its do able, just need a staff that isnt lazy pretending to work when nothings really getting done, Really now... How long has this "Beta FA" been worked on? 6 to 10 months now? Doesnt take that long to remake a web site.

Thats... not even remotely how the internet works, or how internet attacks work. Or how malicious individuals work for that matter. FA is a furry site primarily, and one of the most well known/notorious. People attack FA for a multitude of reasons, but that doesnt mean that DA faces the same number of threats/issues/attacks. It also doesnt mean that FA's security infrastructure is inherently flawed, or lacking. It means someone was able to hack it. It doesnt matter how good your security is, someone can eventually crack it if they really want to. It takes a ton of manpower and upkeep to ensure security stays in a state that isnt easily breached, but even then nothing is fool proof. One major flaw that goes unnoticed can leave you in a massive security breach that simply wasnt avoidable because no one found it (heart bleed).

In short; shit happens. You cannot blame the site for an attack unless they knew about the security issue before hand and did nothing about it, which so far, no one has bothered to prove in this situation. Its also ass backwards to blame the victim for the actions of a criminal.

They knew of the backdoor before the attack happened, http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....ttack.1530523/
They could have taken measures to prevent it from happening but they just let things go as hoping nothing happens.
Which brings me back to the staff needs to research on the software they are about to plug into the site. Any business/professional staff would have gone and changed server login info, system data base passwords and so on to help stop it. Even with the source code you cant really do much without the right information to get into the machine or program hosting it.

So, they knew that their information was at risk for a month before the attack happened, meaning that "Hey FA is a target on a day to day bases, maybe we should take a few steps to cover our ass just in case someone that hates us noticed that issue." But clearly as you can see from the last week nothing was done and those that got a copy of the files handed it out and someone had a field day due to lazy or even carelessness among the FA staff.


The staff really needs to get their act together. "Being the biggest site" will only keep them afloat for so long.

Except that doesnt back up your allegations that they did nothing about it.

"code via the recent “ImageTragick” exploit in the ImageMagick library (a common server-side image processing software). This exploit was patched earlier in this month"

They did patch it. They took the same steps every single other site on the face of the planet does. Exploit find, exploit patch. If theres evidence someone abused the exploit, address it then. Which is what can be seen later " but not before a malicious user was able to download a copy of our source code, and later actively distributed it via USB drives at a convention.

We managed to get a hold of one of the USB drives and started to analyze what was distributed. While we were investigating, somebody launched a second attack against the site using information gleaned from the source code."

They did something about it. Your complaints are simply unfounded, misdirected, and just show an overall lack of understanding on how these attacks even happen, and what goes into preventing them.

And if you re-read the night of May 16th is when they knew about the USB, that attack happened the morning of the 17th. Patching a software with a backdoor to leaking info doesnt make the problem go away. If anything would have been done like i stated, changing server side login info this could have been prevented. Stabbing at only a piece of what I say doesnt mean my "complaints are unfounded" And since the patch was released there was an attack before this one. Which should of been a wake up call but clearly it wasnt.

They were still in the process of figuring out what was on there and what it would have been able to have been used for/against. Less than 24 hrs is not a lot of time for a small group of people to do this kind of thing (the site was down for more than 24 hrs to fix this anyway. It would have changed literally nothing to have taken the site down earlier, which is the only feasible option you could argue for).

Will you still be accessible on your e-mail Codeine? I sent you an email earlier today ^_^

What a artist chooses to do is their own choice, they are not beholden to anyone, dont get why this community is so entitled as to feel the need to persecute its own for making a choice that is not in the interests of a website while loving to play victim for faulty staff and malicious elements outside of the community. Community goes contradictory to what its supposed to stand for ostracizes and sometimes do kill artists instead of supporting them as one should in their choices.

IF anything is making people leave then it is this lack of respect and tolerance that is the cause more then anything else.

YEAH!
Sing it!

also I'm setting up my FA so it diverts people to my other pages in a small degree,
Site has a paddy again, got my back-ups~

In my experience mods play favorites everywhere.

And people are not being cold, they are just tired of hearing all these journals all the time from the same people.

Nor are all the people that say that commissioners, some of them are other artists. Artists are not the definitive victim in that and sometimes commissioners are the ones that leave and get bullied into staying by obtuse posting rules.

Other sites are smaller, harder to use, and have communities that are rather vile in some cases. FA isn't going to be exploding anytime soon, though I expect as the largest furry community on the net they will suffer some more attacks in their lifetime because that is just sadly how it goes.

I'm an artist too, though I have no intention of leaving I can understand why people no longer care. Artists always say they are moving to X website - they always come back, always.

As a former IT coder, keeping a site up as much and as long as FA takes a LOT of behind the scenes work. FA isn't going down that often, a couple of times a year it may get disrupted, but it's generally back pretty quickly. Hell, my Bank's site isn't that good.

Is it perfect? Hell no, but it's functional and it does most of the job it needs to, even though that's beyond it's original purpose.

Other sites do exist, and I'm not gonna dis or harp on people using them; their lives their choices. My choice is that I'm here and I just don't have enough hours in the day to add surfing to other websites, so here I stay until this one blows up completely.

wow all the people defending people being asshats to artists. i just don't think people read any part of your journal, or have any compassion for furry artists. they just want their porn now and any way they can get it that involves them doing literally nothing. if people actually cared about an artist and really liked their work, they would support them.
i'm not saying a guy should move to 6 different sites for just one artist. but if you know that a handful of artists you love have moved to another site either full time or as an alternate gallery, why is it so bad to go watch them and talk to them there too?
but i probably just answered my own question... pure laziness.

The problem with the new sites like Weasyl and FN is that they purely aim for the artists.
And as appeasing that is to artists (finally a site that understands me!) the root of the problem is... just artists don't make an audience to sell stuff.

As long as the new sites only clamor to artists, but leave the watcher, the viewer, the people who *buy* the art rather than make it in the cold, they will all fail. And yet, that seems a pretty hard concept to grasp since new attempts always fail there, just luring artiss with promises only to find them lacking a costumer base since, well, they didn't think of *that*.

And thus the artist returns to FA, and thus the "they'll return" keeps happening. And thus such leaving threats are hollow.

Unfortunately I don't think many people will follow the artists to other places.

I agree that FA is an ass, but there are a ton of other websites that have it MUCH WORSE than here. The FA staff is also questionable, but what place on the internet actually has an honest staff. And speaking of safety, it's the internet and you're never safe. Sooner or later the good websites like Weasyl and FurryNetwork will be experiencing their own troubles and controversies.

It doesn't matter what website you transfer to, how many places you store your stuff and the security they promise. There will always be 'those people' eying yours and others actions, and they're always learning how to get around.

Because they're the kind of people who think any kind of naysaying is some kind of crime. They disgust me.

I don't use Twitter much but you cool so imma follow you.

Twitter is gonna be my main place atm so ima follow you there! :D