I'll be voting for Hillary myself since that's basically the only choice at this point. I dislike voting times, always stressful.

not the only choice at all

For me it's either vote her or don't vote at all. I honestly cannot stand Trump, everything about him rubs me the wrong way. I would have preferred bernie myself. honestly, i think this whole voting on president stuff is just confusing and stressful lmao. that's what i think about it haha.

okie! i wont press further :) ty for your imput!

Trump. I feel Hillary is in it because "I wanna be the first woman" president and will pull every trick she can to win. Both are bad, but I feel like Trump is the lesser of two evils. I also feel like we're voting for the VPs instead of POTUS anyway, as either is likely to be impeached soon after taking office.

mhm i can understand that! hillary is a no go in my book no matter what, her past (and by past i mean even 3 years ago ) is not at all ok much less the fact that her political power has messed up things over and over again.

This is a great video for anyone that says "Vote 3rd Party if you hate Trump and Hillary so much!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O01EfM5fU

So between any of the 3rd party people, Trump or Hillary, I am voting Trump and it will be the first time I have voted for anything in my life.

gary is a huge baby, i will never take him seriously. he got trigger over calling people "illegal immigrants "

so much this^^^

This is why I hate the first past the post system so much. Sadly all of this strawpoll voting is about as much worth as actually voting. What with the electoral college in place to undermine what counts.

yeh, sadly hillary will win no matter what.

They're both worthless... I only want Hillary to win so I can see how Bill decorates the White House >.>

Playboy mansion v2.0

I wonder if they'll call him "The First Man" X3

Serious vote though is "extinction level meteor impact 2016!"

#Trump2016

#CloroxShots

You first :P I'll follow suit. i promise

The bottle has your name on it though :P

goodness, would be rude of me to not offer my guest the first drink tho. I insist

No need to be rude, as the journal states. The more you harass people for things like this, the less of a decent person it makes you appear.

Can we vote for neither or demand new candidates? #NoPresident

Sadly, I'll probably end up voting for Trump. He's a businessman so maybe he can get the economy working, and honestly I don't trust Hilary. She changes her "tune" too much such as she was against for gay marriage years back and now she's all for it. Also if documents get leaked on her account, how can we trust her with a country? I miss when there was "good" candidates" and not just pick the lesser of two evils. >.>

may i recommend a a youtube channel for you? :)

sure

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi.....KanO_5KohzDbpg :)

Hmm, there's a lot of interesting videos on his channel.

I would like to play devil's advocate here for just a second, this in no way implies my support for Hillary OR Trump, but most of my family was against gay marraige... but when I came out, their tune changed too. And not just superficially, it was pretty clearly sincere. Suddenly they understood what it would mean for them to not support it, thereby denying me agency. The reality check was that it finally affected them personally. Maybe she had a similar experience? I personally think this whole election cycle is our choice between the lizard queen and a desiccated toasted marshmallow wearing a ferret on top, but they are unfortunately still human and thus vulnerable to at least SOME of the same things we are.

You do have a fair point, but even if that was the case it doesn't excuse her from the other stuff like those files. I mean even the FBI was wanting her to stand down from running for president. It is kinda bad, when the FBI wants you to step out of a presidential race, and like the one of them said "If it was anybody else, they would have been in jail already." Honestly, I wish she had step down because I think Bernie would have been a better choice.

I'm still writing in Bernie. He's the closest I can get behind, he's not perfect, but as my father in his wisdom stated once, "The only candidate that will ever perfectly represent your interests is yourself."

Yeah, I wish was the one picked and not Hilary. I'm still kinda upset that when he lost he chose to back Hilary.

I just don't want to vote this year. No confidence in any candidate. I fear for my country, and I don't have the ability to fix anything.

i suppose thats understandable :>

Hillary. Not because I like her in any sort of manner, but because I actually do hate Trump with a passion. Not just the past 3 years, but his whole damn career pisses me off he could make it this far makes it feel like a joke to me.

i'd love to talk with you about this! but i'm full of opinions and dont wanna pressure anyone :)

I am completely open for talking about the topic. I may sound hostile or anything, but truly it is a fun and exciting subject to talk about back and forth.

okie! mind if i talk to you over skype? :)

let's do it. ^^

Am not american, but I want Bernie to be it, since he has alot of pro's that the other candidates seem to lack, that and he doesnt shout nonsense about walls.. or being hte first old timer as precidency...

But I you seem to be a hardcore Trump supported when I scrolled down to the comment bar, you want o change minds of Hillary voters or?
You seem to be a bit more positive for a political opinion journal and a bit poking towards non-Trumps :3c

i want people to know the whole truth before voting :) i am pro- trump and am well informed, im not racist nor to i hate lgbt or anything like that. i am against refugees because They are against Lgbt (or most of them are!) and being lgbt myself i dont want me or my friends to be at risk nor do i wish for the potential for more homeland terror like we are facing right this very second without the help of additional people.

over all vote for who you wish! i dont care either way (i know youre not in the us but im saying for everyone else reading) i just like hearing opinions and im not insane or rude so i'm easy to talk to / with! :)

Then you aren't rntirely voting correctly... Homeland reform does not come with banning people. Homeland reform comes to strong personal values and changing how people think through the generations. There will always be hate, abuse, and bigotry. Always. The thing is you need to look at the bigger picture and help show the world how lovely the community as a whole is. And fight the important fights. Shutting our doors and our hearts to the outside world is not the answer. The message has been the same for the entire lgbt community for years. Embrace everyone and their differences. It's the same civil rights movement from 50 years ago. Love and compassion, not more hate and blind blaming. Anyone can point a finger, it takes a true person to take that finger and point it at themselves. The problem isn't with immigrants, it's with the society as a whole. There will be a time when we are all accepted. And I'll wait patiently for that time. That is why I don't support Trump. He wants to drag America backwards, back to where we where 30-40 years ago with segregation, but this will hit the lgbt community the hardest. Hate and anger does not help, it just causes more hate and anger.

no, i will not support and welcome people who belive in honor killings, raping kids, and killing themselves in order to kill others. i do not want them here and there are FAR richer countries who have the same beliefs as them right next door that have taken in 0 people. personal values will not save us from bombings, care and compassion towards people who hate the west will not save us from men raping our young boys and girls, compassion will not stop people who belive in killing gays.

Except... It has. Yes there has been a lot of terrorists in recent years, but when has there ever been no terrorists activity? Think back to domestic terror. Turn on the news today, a Republican rally office was torched by someone. America was built on immigrants, I have friends who are immigrants, I know PLENTY of people who are respectful and responsible Americans. We are a country of immigrants, barring immigrants is insane and completely un-American. I am not saying to accept horrible people like that into our country... But we have plenty of horrible people in our country. And they go to jail. They go on trial, and are punished for their misdeeds. There are so many more domestic terrorism then those aimed at us from outside. That's Americans killing Americans. You open the door to hate, to segregation. You paint a picture of bigotry. Not all people in a group are bad. Think about this community. How many Furries are horrible people? Are people who want harm onto others or have severe mental issues? They are the minority, you are asking something akin to throwing out everyone with mental issues from our fandom and preventing them from joining. It's crazy to think about, but yet you are accepting that and embracing it. All it does and just bring more hate and less change.

no, the support of ISIS in the refugees is not the minority, and if not ISIS sharia law and laws forbidding what we hold dear and that is freedom to do and fuck and say what we want . please go read some non liberal news and look at polls.

You aren't understanding... The people of ISIS mimic how people Americans acted during the civil rights movement. The careless hate, the inhumane use of government equipment. The people running from the fighting, who have lost everything, can you send them back him to possibly their death? All because of what other people in their country are doing, Just because you are afraid? I am afraid, I've been afraid. Fear does not control me. Our country can weather the storm, stopping the spread of our influence will crush the world. Everyone deserves freedom, peace, and security. The people fighting are fighting for their family, their beliefs, and to keep their country the same as it has always been, in a state of hate and bigotry. There are so many levels Codeine... So many. And the surface does not show how deep it goes. Problems like these will not be solved in our life time, but they will be solved.

you're right, im not understanding your opinion.

debating with a wall isnt what i want to do rn tho, no offence , i just mean you are steadfast in what you belive, you do you, ima sit over here with my full facts and keep on keepin on.

That's fine, I'll be over here absorbing the facts and being open minded. I don't like either of them. I just know that we all have a right to an opinion and all of our opinions matter. I may not think you are right, you may not think I am right. But I think we can all agree on one thing...



Snoopy for President

I get where you're coming from, but I believe you have been mislead as to the magnitude and prevalence of the issues you cite.

It would be a pretty easy exercise to write up all sorts of scare stories about the "good people" of the US that would convince anyone that no American should ever be trusted or be allowed to immigrate to another country. Stuff like the institutionalization of murdering black people, literal homegrown terrorism against the government, religious terrorism against LGBT and women, all that crazy shit that happens in Florida.

But obviously if you look around you in your day to day life in the US you see nothing but good people who don't deserve any bias against them based on their religion or country of birth. They haven't done anything wrong just because they were born and raised as christian Americans. Just the same as a muslim Iranian, for example, hasn't done anything wrong just because of the happenstance of their upbringing. Being biased against them is falling into the same trap as any other form of racism.

The short version is: are there important issues in various communities around the world that need to be addressed? Hell yes. Should we paint every member of those communities with the same broad brush? Obviously not.

I'm not going to tell you who you should vote for, I'd just ask that you not let fear mongering sway your decision.

It's a tad different tho, where they are now is where mass terror is going on daily , France has had more terror attacks in the last year than in the last 100 years. To ignore the reasons and causes is ignorant . They're culture hates everything about the west, this isn't some weird thing I've pulled from fox news , you can see videos all over the net of adults and kids hating learning Germany saying how all the Germans need to go away, hating how people dress and act there. They don't want to assimilate even remotely and that's not going to work in the US

Again you could say the same thing about Americans, that all middle easterners need to go away, hating how people dress and act there.

Assimilation into the local culture is not strictly necessary for a successful immigration, and I'm not sure why Americans put so much importance on it. For example, Canada gets by just fine with a policy of multiculturalism. There can be more than one way to be an American.

That said, I'm sure there are a vocal few who make a big stink about disliking the local culture, but again it's not fair to paint a whole society based on those few people.


A lot of the hate towards the US and the west from Arabs and Persians is based on valid criticisms that we've been meddling in their affairs to a frequently unjustifiable level. The west was solely responsible for creating and supporting a jewish state in the middle east, and whatever your feeling are on the zionist philosophy, it's hard to argue that Israel hasn't been an antagonistic presence in the area. The US also has uncomfortably close ties with the House of Saud and has directly invaded many middle eastern countries often with no reasonable justification.

I don't support the idea of establishing a muslim theocracy across the Arab and Persian world in the same way I don't support the idea of establishing a christian theocracy in the united states, despite the fact that you can find plenty of examples of people calling for either one as easily as you can find people decrying the notion.

if i was in "their shoes" (a lot of them just taking advantage of the chaos and not even refugees) and i desperately need asylum i would assimilate , not try and argue the place that took me in is horrible and that the people there should just "go away, it'd be better without them."

it'd "offencive" to fly flags in those counties now for fear of offending the refugees, yet people walk draped in the isis flag down the streets...how is that ok...?

We turn the other cheek because we refuse to be dragged down into pettiness and tit-for-tat antics. We're better than that, and lead by example, right?

Besides, it's easy to find people who are upset, and then with just a little creative editing paint a picture that they want to tear down the country that opened their arms for them.

idk man, this is kinda past "being the bigger person " imho ...

That's how the media wants to paint the situation, sure. If you have the chance, it's well worth talking to recent immigrants: 99% of the time you'll find that they're thrilled to be here and can't wait to start helping to make America the greatest country it could be, even if they're not fond of everything going on here (and let's face it, nobody should be fond of everything going on here right now).

That is a statement that can be copied by americans, called border patrol mexico, tho much larger scale.
Since there is an unimaginable large refugee trail walking to europe and in need of help, there is no room for declining them.
50% or so hate them or love them, i seen alot of them walking to one of the spots for care and yes some may be arrogant but that is 10% of all.
Alot are even helping out for themselves to better away from their culture, and culture adjustment isnt easy as just storming into a store and demanding stuff.
And does CNN also show the real 100% picture? The good things arent heard, even if its their own helping us picking out the fled ex-isis members that merged sithing an undetainBle stream of people

Just wanted to have it clear that not everyone of that culture is bad, dont want to sound rude tho

Bernie is out of the running. It's just Hillary vs Trump now.

Bernie was pressured into supporting Hillary.

I know, and that saddens me, as long its not someone who wants to look buffed and starts trowing bombs or wmd's im alright for any

McMuffin, er, McMullin. Why would I wanna vote for either of the major candidates? They both make me heave.

Nobody knows who he is outside of the Mormon community.

Which gives him a slim, but definite, shot at the White House...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features.....he-presidency/

aint happening. Also Utah is trending trump as of yesterday.

I'll probably be writing in Alfred E. Neuman again, just for the lols.

You mean G. W. Bush? He already had two turns as Dufus in Chief. :D

haha bush was a close family friend , he was delt shitty situations to deal with. People were going to see him as weak one way and violent the other. kinda damned if you do damned if you dont.

That's one of the risks of being in a highly public position: scrutiny is everywhere. I can't say I hate the guy, but poking fun at him is too easy sometimes. I actually think he has become more likeable after his presidency.

The worse president is the current president .

He was a very nice guy, his dad was too!

...not as easy as poking fun at Dan Quayle!

lol, i'd say Alfred looks closer to Ross Perot

(Alfred E. Neuman is the guy on the cover of MAD Magazine, for those who don't know him.)

G.W.'s goofy smile always reminded me of Alfred, but I get what you mean. :D

Lord Cthulu



Or Jill stein

have you read up on her plans? :>

No.
Which is why I'm not voting. I really don't care about anything relating politics on this planet.


Yeah I've heard all the blah blahs about not voting. I don't care. The point is that I don't get the satisfaction of voting for a man toddler or a crooked bitch witch.

There is always independent parties!







Or Snoopy ^.^

Entire team, is BABIES!

They all need a reality check.

I'm not american, thereby i can't vote. Though i am very concerned,if Trump gets voted, what Will happen to the europe. I've Been quite concerned of his speeches about NATO. If he gets elected, My greatest nightmate is that russia might very well launch all out agression campaign against europe. My country is not NATO country, but if something like that were to happen, we Will Be sucked in too.

America cannot afford to subsidize Europe's defenses while NATO members refuse to meet the 2% GDP for defense agreement.

Well, the time will tell what will happen. It's okay though, i've kinda waited for the war to come since the day i finished my military service and entered the reserve. At least dying in war might my death have a meaning, while defending my country.

Snoopy for president!

But seriously, Trump is a joke, bully, and incredibly selfish. I'm not talking about his clear disrespect to women, minorities, and business as a whole. Just listen to him, he has no respect for anyone but himself and this is just an ego contest to him. I doubt he will win, but if he does... do you seriously want a near 70 year old man in office that still thinks groping women is ok? That's like your grandfather groping your best friend Codine. Creepy >~<

Hillery 'sounds' like a president, even if she doesn't act entirely like one. All these things about email leaking and stuff, it pales in comparison to the other candidate who rallies his people into yelling "hang her" through the streets! Is Hillery the best candidate? No, but she isn't the worst either. Plus I like a few of her policies. Trump's policies I can't stand.

Let's face it, these two are so much in the headlines that no one thinks of the independents.

The sad part is... Creepy grandpa is going to win nearly half the states at this rate... Maybe even Iowa... after he even said in a rally in Iowa "How are Iowans this stupid?" when he was trailing in the polls a few months back. Yep... called the entire population of Iowa stupid and now he is winning in polls... Fuck you America.

sorry but hill has defended rapists called blacks "super predators" and her husband has ACTUALLY RAPED women.

not to mention she's declared war on russia so... i mean..

And yet, Trump has said he'd go after the families of terrorists (a war crime), is fine with waterboarding terror suspects even if it doesn't get information, because "they deserve it", has practically declared war on the entire mulsim faith (the largest religion in the world with nearly half the world, including much of Africa, southeastern Europe, India and southwest Asian countries... and let's also not forget that he has multiple sexual assault alligations currently, which would make him one of, if not the first US president to be on the sex offender list.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. His shady business dealings, his complete lack of anything resembling morals or decency, his paranoid conspiracy theories and the fact that he's made enemies of his own party, not to mention many other countries around the world (including the rest of North America) are extremely concerned about him getting into office... you pretty much see that, if Hillary Clinton was the bottom of the barrel in terms of political candidates, Trump has bore a hole through the barrel, fell into the barrel below that one, bore through that and is currently digging towards the center of the earth.

Oh, and let's not also forget that Trump is calling for Saturday Night Live to be taken off the air, because of Alec Baldwin's impersonations and skits of him, calling the skits a "hit job" on him. So, SNL has been on the air for over 30 years or so, been poking fun at politicians, celebrities and the like... but NOW they've gone too far? Please.

I don't plan on voting at all, the state I live in my vote doesn't matter since the electoral votters don't care what the state wants, and chose who they want. Hell there was a year they voted for some random guy who wasn't even running.

And besides, America is fucked no matter who wins.

That random guy is probably an independent that you didn't hear about ^.^

99% of the time the electoral colleges vote popular vote because we vote who gets put into the electoral colleges. Don't like who is going to ultimately vote for president? Vote for a different person for the electoral colleges.

Well I mean, I should refrase, the electoral was drunk and misspelled it, so he voted for someone who wasn't even running.

And somehow every year we get people like that, who either ignore the general, or mess up like that x3

very clearly put! :) i agree!

Cucks? I really love your art and can totally respect your opinion, but please don't tell me you are part of the alt-right that uses that word randomly against any one more liberal than centre-right. x3

I totally agree with you, but, voting isn't until November 8. I hope you can make it to vote on that date... we need all the Trump support we can get

Either Labour or conservative next general election, I'm British after all :P

Seriously though, I'm not sold on either of the two main candidates. They seem less interested in the issues and more about image.

Honestly I dont care so I'm just not gonna bother voting. I'm already uninterested in polotics and with this it makes me not care even more. Sorry not trying to offend but its just how I feel about it.

nono1 i take no offence to any opinions haha and thats fair!

I'd vote Trump, but not happily. We got really sucky candidates this year.

Hilary.

I will never vote for anyone who openly says they will remove protections against journalists being sued for talking bad about the government or businesses. Or someone who is so ignorant to the world that they don't understand how it works.

Not to mention his most recent thing of claiming that since he is not winning that the elections are rigged.


The only arguments I've heard against Hilary are conspiracy theories at best.

her emails arent theories theyre her uncensored unfiltered mouth. not to mention CNN just threatened the ENTIRE nation to not read them so..yuuh know..

I looked at the leaked emails, supposed leaks. One of them talked about a space war. I fucking gave up after that.

Also I'm sure Trump would just be sunshine and rainbows if his emails got leaked...or if his tax returns got leaked. :b

You don't need his emails being leaked. Already have his unfiltered mouth bragging about groping women, not paying taxes, and blaming all his problems on other people. :'D

True that. x3

My offer to head over to the USA and install myself as your god-emperor still stands!

Yes do it
Plz

We are damned either way if you go Hillary or Trump. Just voting for another clown to run this country to the ground.

I chose to not give a crap because i dont care about either person and all voting will do is give me jury duty

Rosey has to vote trump. I dont care for him much, but hes the only person in the running whos been upfront and honest. Its like going to a doctor, hes gunna tell you that you need to lose weight or it will cause suchandsuch problems. Yeah, you're gunna get mad and probably hate him, then you are gunna realise hes probably right. I also feel like the US can benefit from having a businessman as president for a change.

I cant find a reason to trust Hillary :/

I getting agree with this.

You just agree cause its rosey <3

Where's the "I want them both taken somewhere quiet and shot." Option the whole system we are stuck with us broken and run by corporate interests and I want to see the Senate and Congress burning and the CEOs hanging from lampposts on wall street.

God forbid people in the US learn to vote for a third party. Look at most other countries, they ave a multi party system, now's your chance. "first third party election victory" sounds a lot better than your "official" options.

Our voting system works against third parties. Even the other parties we have that are popular are basically branches of existing parties.

We operate under first past the post system. Some nations operate under open lists and proportional representation - which are more friendly to third parties.

There has to be some way to get a decent third party and get enough support to actually get them elected. If it was truely infeasible, why would any third parties exist at all?

I know in sweden we have Several parties

Enviorment Party - Miljöpartiet
Swedish Democrats (Our version of republicans) - Sverige Demokraterna
Feminists (yes, they got in too.. Doubt they need introduction)
Christian Demokrats - Kristendemokraterna
Social Demokrats - (Our Demokrats more or less) Social Demokraterna
People Party - Folkpartiet
Left party - Vänsterpartiet
Moderaterna - (Don't have a translation for that one)

All of them are allowed to sit and vote, but certain ones are in the lead with a large percentage, that being Social Demokrats and Moderaterna, with Swedish democrats starting to gain quite a few followers now due to the immigrant problem which they want to stop.

I feel it's working good since it never gives 1 winning party a huge seat in the big house. They are just backstage doing their job without being much in the public eye as a president is.

Most of the rest of the world has a multi party system where more than one party is allowed to sit in and vote. And no separation of congress and leader like the US too.

Yeah, we have one of those systems.
Merica' needs to get it. It works way better than this since i see many who don't want to vote for either candidates.

Both major 3rd parties are worse than the major two right now. Jill wants to just "create" over a trillion dollars to bail out in debt kids, and Gary is a huge triggered baby who is very unstable

Is it forbidden for someone from a major party who didn't make candidate to go off on their own or something? They certainly seemed to worry that Trump would run off and do so. What stops Bernie or a republican canidate from challenging those two as an independent?

There's a I don't even know if you would call it a third party if they would like a fourth party or A fifth or sixth party guy named Joe exotic he's the only decent person on the ballot past trump

Sounds like the US election system needs to be reformed, badly. The two party system leaves you with a choice between two evils far too often, with a bunch of crazies tagged on. The other main party canidates should go independent in cases like this.

I wish you good luck over the next 4 years.

Most of the third party candidates are pretty bad to though, unfortunately

#Giant meteor 2016. :)

Personally, I feel asking people who they're voting for is a personal question and I never answer it simply because my political beliefs are mine, and who I vote for is my choice, so why put myself in the line of fire for voting for someone I believe in?

First time I get to vote, and I'm really disappointed.

I honestly wanted Bernie to win-He was nearly the perfect candidate to me. I think the Democrats screwed themselves over with picking Hillary. I would of much rather have waited for the first female president and have had a good one rather than just shoving any old dingus in the slot.

That being said, I think voting for Trump is a huge mistake. He has no political background, can't watch his mouth, has no filter, and is very clearly racist, sexist, and all around, a loud mouth with no respect.

I'm at a loss here, and I'm really concerned for where this country is heading.

What makes Trump racist and sexist?

I'll Vote for Charles DeGaulle! *Laught in French*
Either the Corrupted or the Idiot, get your shit together guys, I'm just amused at this point!

okay holy shit, real talk Codeine. Have you seen his recent speeches and rallies? Where he outright has stated conspiracy theories and tried to rally people against American Democracy by declaring that it is rigged?

Debatable that it is conspiracy theory when things like this are coming right from the mouth of the Democrats: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news.....ommissioner-a/

Thing is, if any of that has even a shred of truth to it then Trump with all his rhetoric and bluster isn't rallying anyone against Democracy, he is defending it. Isn't that a worrying prospect? xvx

Ah, bawls. Pic is a still, not the video itself. This one is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0

No, there is no real evidence to suggest that the elections are rigged, sorry.

Claiming that they are as someone like a presidential candidate is not only a sore loser sort of move but also an extremist one. Imagine if Trump were a communist istead of an alt-right figure. Would you feel the same way about that claim then? If the answer is no, then I think we are done here.

The only evidence of rigging is hacking attempts by Russia that were in Trumps favour.

I would disagree. When a Democrat electoral commissioner is admitting that Democrats are committing voter fraud, I would think that is compelling and worthy of investigation. They are, after all, closer to the issue than either you, I or any of the internet peanut gallery. At the very least why secondguess Schulkin when he and the party he is a part of stand only to suffer in their own ambitions for making this statement? Most ambitious professionals are not in the habit of sabotaging their own career, except perhaps on a point of principal.

As a matter of fact, I would, yes. I'm not particuarly attatched to either the left or the right politically, but I do value the integrity of democracy on the basis that if any figure with power corrupts the system, the entire result needs to be thrown out and every voter regardless of their choice is cheated of a free and fair result. Furthermore the consequences of what loss of faith in a democratic system means are terrifying and far outweigh the benefits of a temporary four-year victory in the game of petty partisan squabbling. To paraphrase Terry Pratchett; "Parties might rock the boat and even try to shove each other out of it, but only a madman drills a hole in the bottom."

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6564
except we have proof the DNC was rigged against Bernie. And considering we just learned Clinton has ties with the FBI and DOJ, I don't think trump pointing it out is the divider here

I don't trust a site that claims Hilary has access to zero point energy and is negotiating with space aliens.

As far as I am concerned those emails are fake, I could easily write fake emails and claim they were from powerful people - especially if I was hidden in Russia.

Can you show me where they claim this?

That's a LOT of fake e-mails that are consistent. Inb4 Trump is Putin's pawn with no evidence beyond speculation.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802 Here you go. ^.^
Let me guess, it doesn't count?

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I'm not going to make that claim, though the two leaders have expressed fondness for one another and its widely believed either Russia or China has been attempting to interfere with our elections. Unlike a wikileaks site with dubious information these claims are backed by facts though.

There are a bunch more by the way, that is just the one people are pointing to right now. Its not like there is just one, there are plenty.

At no point does this e-mail say or even imply aliens, simply the reality that violence could be waged in orbit. This isn't even a stretch of the imagination.

With the media being as brutally dishonest as they have been, and their response being so reactionary toward's Wikileaks does seem to lend it credibility. Of course none of it is solid proof, until it all comes together in all of it's weight, and is simply the tool to direct attention where needed to do digging for more credible proof. Like the foreign donations. Anonymous claims to have tapes from Bill's 26 trips to lolita island, but I refuse to believe it until they release the tapes.

Not everything Wikileaks says is the whole truth instantly, but with everyone else lying, all they have with new information is the trust they've built up sense dropping documents showing war crimes from the Bush wars up until now. They've been fairly unbiased in how they just drop dirt on EVERYONE regardless of partisanship.

Trump and Putin do see eye to eye, I would like peace between us. Politically they are similar in protectionism economics and being very anti-globalist. Putin has done amazing work for the Russian economy, but his power over the press and anti-gay laws I'm not happy with personally. Trump, granted what he says now can be different from what he does, I would criticize him every step of the way in taking control of the media.

So ignoring the parts where it talks about Extraterrestrials and zero point energy?

And yes! We admit it, wikileaks is not the end all be all, just like Trump is not the font of all truth and knowledge in the cosmos. Hillary is by no means a saint, but I don't believe in making up lies about people when there are perfectly reasonable reasons to hate them.


And no, Putin has destroyed the Russian economy and turned the nation into a dictatorship. As you said, the media there is basically an arm of the state (that constantly pumps out anti-western propaganda) and the parliament is literally a joke. And Trump has already stated that he would remove the laws in place that protect journalists reporting on public figures. If he did do that it would mean that media could be sued for making claims against powerful people like politicians and CEOs. It would make the media less free.

Also, on another note - peace between Russia and the US sounds nice as an ideal, but in reality it would mean the weakening of the US and the west in general. Putin's idea of Peace is his own sphere of influence, his own playground. We can already see him throwing tantrums in Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Ukraine. What is the price of peace? All those nations? Putin's own private part of the Earth? Russian dominance over the USA? Putin hates the west, he hates democracy. Russian society has long been based around the idea that a strong leader is needed to use an iron-fist to maintain order, and Putin is just another in a long line of tzars. He is about as democratically anointed as Stalin. Back room politics, oligarch favours and support. Different name and flag, same game. I do not believe in bowing down to the demands of tyrants.

I don't believe in dethroning democracy, I'm a minarchist myself; Libertarian but I recognize there is a need for small government at the least.

What Trump means on the specifics of his laws against the media doing pure speculation and skewing it as objective reality, I can see where he's coming from like with the media blowing every little thing about trump out of the water but ignore everything for people they do like, their preferential treatment stems from corporate interest in influencing the american people in their corrupt interest. I can see his interest in laws against this, but unless he can figure out a way to minimize damage to free speech while effectively eliminating lies but preserving speculation and skepticism, but I doubt it could happen. I'm not sure if he would push damaging laws through or realize it needs refinement and keep putting it on hold until it's better or outright not do it at all. I'm all for peeling back international corporations pushing globalist propaganda, but how to go about it is very difficult without violating the core principles of the constitution.

Putin's effect on Russia's economy... Yea try not reading google's endless echo chamber of heavily liberal leaning sites saying how evil he is between every paragraph, they're spinning it so hard in the face of the facts. He hasn't done so well in his latest term, but he did amazing work between 2000 and 2008
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I'm more willing to lean towards a more fascist leadership (which Trump isn't even close to compared to Putin) than something more heavily communist. I despise authoritarianism but the road to recovery socially seems to be on the right, with the rise of the alt-right and their surprising effect on the mainstream media around this election, the right is far more friendly to free speech than the left's active witch hunt of anything anyone can be offended by.

A minarchist arguing with an anarchist about why she should support a totalist over a right of centre.

Okay, so if that is me skewing the facts, then why is it that you get to say random things about Hillary's words and it is truth? This seems rather arbitrary to me.

And once again - Trump is a corporate interest. It wasn't like he was a farmer before running.

So wait...you are a minarchist, but you want there to be a way to censor people that disagree with you? My friend, that isn't minarchy, its totalism.


So if the facts disagree with you they are liberal lies? Look, Russia is doing poorly economically, doesn't matter what your ideology is.

I despise authoritarianism too. I hate all forms of totalism, and I believe that governments are inhereintly oppressive and create divides within society and therefore should have an extensive system of checks on their power and only be given enough to serve the needs of the people.

Of course according to you I guess I'm going to go suck pol pot's cock. Since apparently the entire left just hates freedom, right? You do realize that libertarianism is a left-wing ideology outside of the bubble that is American politics, right? You do realize that most anarchists are leftists, right? PKK, CNT, WSA, etc. There is an authoritarian left, just like there is an authoritarian right. And both are equally against free speech. I would recommend you revise your rather skewed perspective on the left, or what you THINK is the left, but I doubt you will listen.

Stay safe. ^.^

I don't think it's quite you skewing the truth as it is you only taking information from biased sources from one side.

Trump sure is corporate, but we can see Hillary has a long past of making money from running for a pay to play system for those who donate. Trump is a

"censor people" I just typed out everything I could to dance around the subject, I specifically would oppose any system that would do more harm than good in this sense. I don't want the ability to freely censor anyone who says anything bad about _______, but some way to stop the media, as a group, from being able to push propaganda and spinning narratives when if they showed the whole story they couldn't manufacture a rise out of people to their own benefit. I doubt this would be possible to pull off, but I'm willing to entertain the idea.

Facts that disagree with me aren't liberal lies. I just showed you Russia is doing much better in the scale of themselves, granted compared to the rest of the 1st world they're still behind. I said Putin has done good for Russia's economy, he's facilitated economic growth fairly well in his first term. Saying he hasn't done anything, is from the perspective of the entire West with them still struggling behind. Perspective. I'm not calling you a liar, we're not on a same page is all.

I agree with government is a easily corrupting system. I believe in a system that is only as big as it needs to be. Big business and Big Government are the two evils nearly mirroring each other on either end of the people. I feel it's best to have big government be slightly bigger business and many checks and balances to safeguard from corruption. What we see today is the two being tethered together and drawing closer together.

(I can't help but feel you're reading a bit too far into things, I'm not typing this emotionally charged like you're a 'dirty leftist', forgive me if I come off a bit too skewed but I already let myself go on trying to make myself as clear as possible as it is)
I'm not bashing you for being left, I have a fairly healthy understanding of the left and right. I know libertarianism inherently stems from liberalism; classic liberalism. It's the very foundation of the United States. Long before socialism, long before fascism, and long before the end of monarchism. The left as a whole are not evil, the same as the right. It's sad I have to go through with this. Socially, from my experience, people who identify with the left, authoritarian and libertarian, have had really SJWish arguments (not to use the buzzword, but I'm being genuine), where as the majority of people I've talked to who identify with the right, authoritarian and libertarian, are generally much more open to free speech. As I've seen it, the left has presented itself to me as very 'no fun allowed' to people like myself.

Trump is a bias source on information about Trump? What? What is this sorcery?!

Censorship is censorship, no matter what Orwellian terms you use to describe it. You can call it simply 'anti-propaganda' but it doesn't change what it does or is. I don't understand how small government people can both believe in a small government but desire one big enough to regulate freedom. People are allowed to express opinions you disagree with as long as they are not killing anyone or making vile threats or screaming fire in a crowded theater when there is none. Part of what has made western democracies so successful, and the US utmost among them, is that we do not have a stagnating society in which there is only one opinion. There is no way to keep people from expressing their opinion short of censorship, and propaganda is a vague term the way you are using it. Basically stuff that disagrees with you? I assume that you don't consider the small government rhetoric on fox to be propaganda. There are certainly problems, but the major one is media making its goal to be a business first and report second. Censorship won't fix that.

You are accusing the left of going on a witch hunt to censor people for saying things they don't like while thinking of some way to censor people you don't like.


The Russian people are the ones suffering, the elite are always going to be doing well, its an oligarchic dictatorship. The entire reason the leadership stays in power is their own economic success.


Yes, that is why I'm an anarcho-syndicalist! And why I don't believe in censorship!


I think that perhaps it is a pattern you want to see, or a pattern that is caused by you only going to certain leftists or certain rightists. A good example would be you are more willing to see flaws in people you disagree with than people you do. I live in a state controlled by the right- and every chance they get they try to take away my freedoms. If it wasn't for a court decision gay marriage would not be recognized here. And there are still many conservatives and even liberals here that disagree with it. You also have to remember that tumblr isn't an ideological platform, anyone can post anything, and very few people really think about what they believe. You say a majority of the left seem against free speech, I see the opposite. I mean just in this conversation I have seen you state you want to censor the media. If some alien were to look at this conversation and judge the left and right based on you and I what do you think they would define right-wing as?

And SJW is still a vague term to me, so I can't help you there. It started out as something of satire for people that basically have neck-tie bacon beliefs (ones that barely conform to a political spectrum) and now it seems to apply generally to most liberal ideas like equal pay, anti-racism, once I got called SJW for believing we should try to fix the farming subsidies issue. I mean, if you find someone more right-wing than you I'm sure you can get called it too and see just how arbitrary it is.

Did I say censor people? No, I'm talking about the concept to stopping a media organization from putting for misinformation. A corporation is not a person. Granted I disagree it would be possible to effectively stop a news organization from telling half truths in order to spin a narrative and still preserve free speech, I'm open to the discussion. I'm not using specific terminology towards ideas on how to accomplish it because I'm merely touching on the idea. I don't know what's on Fox news because I don't watch TV news like the useless pleb, they're all shit and biased as hell. Even in alternative media you have to pick out of the more reliable sources and decipher and cross examine, no site is unbiased, no person is unbiased.

I'm fully aware of the double edged sword of censorship. As to why I've never supported it in any form. I'm willing to listen to people try to reason cases for it, but it's almost guaranteed I'll laugh and mock them for being so naive in most cases.

Even my friends who are total fascists, are perfectly okay with the concept of censoring racial minorities with an all powerful state in control of the media and with a heavy handed approach to trade. I realize the parallels with Trump and the core tenets of fascism, but simply venturing in the direction can remedy the issues I feel need mending.

I get what you mean in SJW has been watered down, but you don't seem to have a firm grasp on it's heavier pillars of it's meaning. It is fairly arbitrary, but generally it's characterized by authoritarian leftist thought.

You touched on the wording, "equal pay" and it makes me feel we'll have an interesting discussion over that. Want to move over to notes, we're kind of filling up the comments here. I'm glad you've been respectful throughout this.

That is censorship.

And no, corporations are not people...but we are talking about the media here and not advertisements. ACDC news can come on and claim that Elvis has risen and the Rock Rapture is upon us - you can't sue them or publicly hang them for that. But if ACDC Soda Incorporated said their product increased male penis size by 4 lightyears and made you jizz rainbows and they were actually being serious you could sue them for making false claims and misleading consumers.

I don't own a tv, so I don't watch the news at all. But I used to and I assume it hasn't changed much since I last saw it.

I cringe when I start hearing people talk about censorship, especially president candidates. I live here, and I really like being able to think without some wrinkled ornery person trying to 1984 me.

And how can you honestly say that and still pride yourself in being a minarchist? Saying that fascism will fix the problems you see in society. I am working with the assumption that you've read party platforms for fascist parties here. And that you agree with living under a dictatorship where nonconformity is punishable by death and economic success is determined by who you know rather than how hard you work. One of the biggest things about fascism is that you are supposed to know your place and never try to leave it, that means very little social mobility and the discouragement of even trying. This is even more pronounced in national socialism (which is also right-wing) where it supports the creation of mock unions that basically bow to the bosses. (though some forms of non-nazi fascism also do this, though normally not. Italy did.).

And yes, notes would be fine.

Yes I have, I've also read more than half of Clintons emails. I urge you to step back from being condescending or acting as if I am not well informed. If you believe the mass amounts of voter fraud , political take downs , and all that are not true then I'm sorry to hear that. Vote for who you want as I've said a billion times I don't care.

It just happened.

I am American but not North American, so i can not vote on this

We had a similar "vote for the lesser evil" last year tho X3

All i wonder, (and i clarify i do not feel like reading 500 news pages or debate websites ;w;' )
is that, with this Trump's opinion towards immigrants, if it would ever be possible for the dream of my family to moving to USA would be possible, and without fear of being discriminated?

Just a curious question, again would like to clarify that, i am not trying to hold torches agaisn't anyone ^^'

You will sadly face discrimination where ever you go hun, whether in America or not. It is the nature of humans to hate the different and when they get together in groups, people tend to be more like sheep than actual sentient beings. This is why I have become a serious recluse, I talk to two people regularly, maybe two others once a week. The world as I see it at the moment is stupidly unforgiving towards anything it sees as different. It needs to change desperately, and though we've changed a lot, there is still tons and tons of racism. And it's not just the stereotypical 'white' stuff.... *twitches* hate using skin color terms so bear with me... blacks have some of the most racist television shows imaginable, and it's not like they say bad stuff, it's just they are constantly segregating themselves from the whites in their conversations. My mom watches a lot of weird stuff that has too much veiled racism in it for my liking. Honestly we are people... humans.... we are individually extremely different, so there really shouldn't be this whole race thing going on because there is only one and it's called human.

However back to your question, either way you are going to find discrimination. America isn't some weird utopia of all acceptance... that'd be strange with all the shit in our history. But I do believe Trump would cause things to be much harder to deal with. Hell I don't even technically feel safe from his discrimination because, though I am American, I am severely mentally handicapped by psychiatric disorder upon psychiatric disorder. I need a service dog to go out in public... what if he decides to go back on allowing psychiatric service dogs. *shrugs*

Well here in argentina we are well aware that our city, specially buenos aires, is founded by immigrants and we are so used to it that discrimination (either towards people who come here, as well as lgbt comunity) is little , but i heard terrible things about discriminations in all other countries, wich honestly makes me fear a lot (our economy is too fcked up to live and moving somewhere else sounds dangerous , like between a rock and a hard place X3)

humanity is just too fucked up really. i had sadly seen much of it personally too, so i get that it will be relatively bad no matter where to go. i guess it relies mostly in finding a "less-bad" site tho ^^'

My question was mostly if the Trump's "bad thoughts" about imigrants were towards ALL immigrants or just illegal ones/refugees? =T

I am pretty sure it's toward all immigrants, but he's just a very angry man and I am sure it has something to do with his penis... just cause he seems like the type of man to be greatly affected by that area in his body for some reason. However, if you do plan to move to the US, getting a green card is not easy, I have a fiance in England and in order to get him over here I am marrying him, not that I wouldn't anyway. But the US isn't completely full of discrimination, I mean true it has gotten worse since 9/11 because people are paranoid as a collective; but certain places in the US tend to be less problematic. California for example is known as the place in the US where if you can't make it anywhere else, we accept you here. Not that you won't find random racist ass holes, but you will be accepted and be able to live without fear here if things continue the way they are. Though the price for houses and rentals can be ready ridiculous in some places, and I mean REALLY ridiculous. However if you are seriously worried about discrimination within US certain places as a generalized whole are less accepting, such as certain southern and east coast states. However more mid-west and western coasth states are better.

i appreciate the little hints!
is too sad to see how bad is this theme over there :/

and i wish you the best for you and your fiancee :3

Let me say this out right before going into candidacy stuff. Democracy in America is a joke, and politics in general are pure corruption. When in the last few decades have we had an actual president that we've liked or God forbid did something good for us? The fact is, Hillary is sadly the better choice because she could handle being the president better. Not necessarily that she has good ideals or anything, but the fact that she could do the actual purpose of a president, which is to be the face of America, without fucking up royally. Also that whole defending the rapist shit, is bull, she was his lawyer at the time. She did what a lawyer had to do when handed a client, which is advocate for them and defend them until the end no matter what. Obviously people who believe defending a rapist hype dont get what the legal system in our country works like.

Then there is Trump, who in my honest opinion, is likely to get assassinated his first two weeks. Why? Because I honestly don't even think he knows what a political answer to something is much less how to make one. Sure it's great to know where he stands, which a lot of his stances are ew in my opinion, since I absolutely abhor violence for no reason and think humanity in general is the most vile species on the planet because... it's hard to explain, all you need to do is look at the reality shows these days that people watch of celebrities treating each other like dog shit and ask 'why does humanity find this entertaining?'.... anyway Trump, you know where he stands, but so does every other fucking country in the world. And he hates just about everyone else in the world that don't fit into his perfect box. He's pretty much a upgraded Hitler to fit the times, because currently genocide would get him nowhere because most Americans have evolved beyond that point. But he can't seem to answer a volatile topic with tact, which means in all honesty, he WILL start wars. He WILL cause problems with foreign leadership, and he will most likely be the cause of another world War with the shit he's talking. And it's not necessarily because he will get bills to pass, but because he will bruise egos in stupid ways, and anger very powerful people. Eventually he will alienate all our allies... and then when the terrorists try to attack us, we will have no back up. And just because he comes into office, it's not going to stop people from getting into this country, there are so many undocumented immigrants in the US, it's impossible to keep on top of. He definitely won't be able to stop the terrorists attack and I can guarantee he will make it worse. God knows the US could get invaded and we could get raped anyways. If that's what your worried about than you need to look at what humanity is and not immigrants. Fuck we are all immigrants. We were just born in this country so we think we have some sort of claim on it. When let's be honest, the world honestly doesn't give a shit about who controls what, humanity is a disease and leaks into everything. And honestly how can you own a piece of land? Just because you hold a piece of paper that says it's yours? What if I burn it....? It could be anyone's land then. The only people who aren't immigrants in America, are the Native Americans, but that's a whole other story.

Now I personally will never vote, I will not support a system that is as disgusting as America's democracy has become, being an American is not a blood right, it's a state of mind, and I have talked to far too many people who don't even know how to grasp that mind set anymore. America was literally made as a haven for those the English treated like crap so that they could come here and just be them. But humanity constantly forgets that.

I feel no particular attachment for America or anywhere in general, if need be I will leave the country when things become problematic. In my opinion humans cannot own something that was here before they were even a speck of dirt in the sky. I know honestly wherever I go my views and moral code will not be accepted.

Either, no candidate is worth agreeing to the shit I have to put up with from them, so I will not make myself apart of it.

I don't care for any of the candidates and plan on not voting. If I had to pick one though, Trump's policies line best with how I feel. I do like some of Hillarys ideas but I don't trust her enough to follow through. The other third party candidates are even more of a joke than this entire election has turned out to be. I believe trump is the only one who could possibly pull our economy up due to how savvy he is. Political career people have let China pretty much strip us of our economy for years. Trump has proven he can combat that abd give America back the economy it's lost, or at least kick start the process. We will see though, depend on who wins. If Hillary wins though, god help us all - I expect nothing but trouble with both candidates but I think Hillary will destroy this country with little car to the rest of us, while trump at least wants to bring the country back to economicalfunctionality.

I do not like Trump, but Hillary must not win. She represents all that is wrong with the corrupt political system. I was never a Bernie supporter, but I wish he was the candidate. At least he understood what the importance of the Glass-Steagall Act (whereas Bill Clinton had a hand in ending it). Meanwhile, Hillary is a deplorable person whose morals and loyalties have been shown to change in any way that will help her popularity (and pocketbook). Trump and Hillary are both awful candidates. Either one will probably end up dragging us into a Third World War (whether through sheer arrogance/ignorance or straight up warmongering).

#AlfredENuemanForPrez

I don't really care about clinton's two sidedness because it's totally to be expected. Haven't seen a thing released that didn't more or less go in line with what her and her party are going for. Of course they support globalism. Obama was at the UN talking about it a week ago. I would have preferred Bernie, and I don't necessarily like Clinton, but I think she's a strong leader and she knows what she's doing.
Trump is a totally incapable moron who's only gift in life is charm and utter psychopathy. I'm quite well informed of his past, his relationship with his father, his business failures. The only thing he does is make deals. He doesn't come through on them. The only way he was able to build his business at any point was to take money from other people, whether it was his father or the banks. When all of his deals past the trump tower started falling apart because he had shit for brains when it comes to management, they came back to him for their money and decided his brand name was too valuable to dump, so they put hi on a 200k a year 'allowance,' and everything since then has been entirely about brand. He doesn't own the buildings, or the factories, he just gets licensing fees for his name. He doesn't even know anything about taxes, it was all done by his accountants. All he really is is a psychosis from a father who demanded his children be 'killers.'
Clinton is a psychosis too, and a grudge, but it's the 'every time I try to assert myself people tell me it isn't a woman's place' kind of grudge developed over the last 50 years. She's become secretive and nixonian and she's learned how to work the system. So she's a politician.
Trump hasn't said a single substantive thing, he makes constant lies, he flip flops, he doesn't just say whatever he needs to to get elected, he says whatever he needs to to be right and better than anyone else. He has no self control over his psychopathy. Anyone that says anything bad about him is instantly assaulted with ad hominem attacks, everything is about winning or losing, his ideas are only grandiose enough to 'make the deal,' not thought out properly.
But most of all if you are voting for Trump, you're basically voting for Mike Pence. When the republican party and even trump have said that they are anti pornography, want to spy on citizens, curtail the press, put their opponents in jail, and the likelihood that Trump would not last a year in office before some scandal broke or he asked the military or government to do something profoundly unconstitutional (just as his entire campaign has been), you're going to have Mike Pence in charge. Do you, as a pornography artist associated with furries, want a Pence presidency? Do you want conservative supreme court justices? Trump will be allowed to serve long enough to set up the detention centers and the machinery, Pence will get the legislation and judges in place to carry it out. I'm sorry but your support of Trump is not only insane but completely counter your self-interest.
I can only read the 'hillary is just as bad' line so many times.
I don't really care though Trump has about a 12% chance of winning at this point, he's tripped over his dick enough times to turn into a human propeller and his party is self-destructing. He's the end result of the tea party. A whole hell of immigrants, women and other 'enemies of trump' will come up to vote and the whole country's going to turn a deeper shade of blue. This is what the right gets for going full neocon and courting the crazy vote. The one election they could have won handily with anyone else (because everyone pretty much hates clinton) is instead ensuring democratic dominance and right wing fracturing for the next decade.

*tries to futilely press a like button that isn't there* I must add that if people are truly worried about the whole objectifying and sexual abuse of women.... what about Trump's constant sexual assault to multitudes of women who keep crawling out of the wood work? Hillary may have defended a rapist because it was her job, but Trump pretty much is or actually is a rapist. I wouldn't put it passed him. The way he actually talks about women is degrading, he treats us like objects meant to be fucked and look pretty. It's like going back into the 1950s. And then if he gets control, we are putting power in the hands of the people who voted for him, which obviously they don't mind that he abuses women, so that must mean they think it's ok.

However Trump does mean what he says. If you look at his past, he has sexually abused and assaulted women. And honestly why would he say that kind of bigotry when all it does is lose him votes, since you think he can control it? All it does is make him look like an idiot who has testosterone poisoning . The fact is he will start wars, because political leaders are stupidly touchy about everything. What if we are having a peace meeting as mediators between Syria or something *obviously pulling shit out of her ass*, if he says anything stupid at all, which by his show of political talk, he will. It could very well blow the entire thing and cause a war.

Before you ever vote on anything important.... please read everything you are signing up for and don't go with your gut on anything with politics. Everything in politics is two faced and unless you make a really good choice you could fuck up royally. You also need to read more into the political history of America, I don't think you understand how much of a mediator we have become whether it's good for us or not.

I realize you were stating your opinion and so on, but its such a poor opinion, because it was so poorly informed. If you had something to back up your claims other than the fact that you like his personality, I would probably not be telling you to research it so much.

Hilary is responsible for deaths in bengahzi, Isis and criminal state information tampering as well as the downfall of Bernie Sanders running in the presidential election. Not to mention her husband was impeached due to his sexual misconduct. I don't think sexual assault and any of that is right by any means, I'm strongly against it. If he has, then he needs to be tried for those accusations.

Considering I'm very certain Hilary wants to go to war with Russia, that's a war bound to happen. So don't try to make trump the only possible threat of war.

Trump has had the exact same standpoint on politics and has called quite a lot of what's happened in Iraq for the last 30 years. Hilary has had a hand and even caused some of thrse issues herself. Not to mention her constant two faced political views.

I am not saying Trump is the only possibility for war. But he has a higher probability for it considering he doesn't just want to go to war with Russia, but pretty much every country he doesn't see as what he likes. He is far more likely to throw a tantrum and cause more problems than we can handle at one time. At least if we go to war with Hillary we would still have allies.

However I will once again state I do not support either candidates, I just am very aware of which would be more successful at the job. Politics requires someone to be psychopathic and two faced, otherwise there's too many possibilities for screw ups if you can't cover your ass, because sadly politics involves dealing with political leaders and all of them lie their asses off. Which is why I only touch politics in novel writing, I would never make my decision count in something so... vile.

Understandable, but I'd like some proof that trump would do these things you're saying is all. Clarifying that while this debate has been extremely fierce on both accounts I don't see trump being this toddler that you're portraying him to be.

If you can lie to your country about the deaths of its people, you can and will lie about your true political views. It's a battle of attrition and I don't believe that Hilary can walk us into a war that we'd win, nore do I think trump could. I just beleive that if we do go to war, trump would at least be able to allow the us the ability to survive it financially. We go to war like we are, we will all suffer. Far longer than it'd last if we don't get nuked first.

I'm voting Libertarian this year. Specifically for John McAfee.

http://www.bealibertarian.com/

A vote for Trump by now is pretty much a vote against common sense.

I really dislike Clinton as well, but everything negative about her can be said the same about Trump... but only a fraction of that even begins to talk about the things you could say about Trump. If you tried to compare their low points, scandals and potential problems on a scale, the one on Clinton's side wouldn't just go up, it'd spin around a few times, break the chain and go flying off into orbit, while Trump's side of the scale would impact the ground and continue sinking into the earth until it found oil.

This, if you ask me, pretty much sums it up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRbjWSXlX9M

This is just the end of the near 20 minute explanation - feel free to find the entire video and watch it.

I wish I could like this just because of the breaking the chain and flying off into orbit comment about all of this. That made me laugh hard.

I'm not voting at all but if I had to choose I'd vote for trump. Hiliary is completely corrupted as far as I can tell and to be honeat I really wanna sde what happens if trump wins outta curiosity xD

Eh it's no biggie for me. Either way we are gonna be fucked honestly but I'm not a political guy so just watching how this plays out xD I know most people hate my view but I don't believe there is a "lesser of 2 evils". However I do k ow exactly what we'll get with Hillary. So why not?

Luckily don't live in the US.
If i did, i'd probably place my vote on something else, because frankly none of them are any good, and i know everyone is already saying it but it shouldn't be that you're picking between 2 bad sides (depending on what you think)
But when one candidate is a business man with a big ego and little understanding of people and little respect for anyone.

And hillary is corrupt and just, if not worse. Detatched from the world than Trump is.

#Hugh Mungus2016

Soooooooo glad I'm not an American. I'd feel obligated to burn down the polling station.

Choose between a racist, bigoted, multi-bankrupted liar or a person that should have been jailed for treason and is also a racially challenged, bigoted liar. What a choice there.

Thank you. This is the entire reason I am afraid of voting..
Just because both of them are skeezy, bigoted, racist liars and cheaters and will hurt struggling communities/groups anyway.
What a choice...

go third party, that's about the only real option there is. They're not great, but they're a better choice than the front runners IMHO.

I'd actually love to see an American election go third party win, it'd be historic.

Since I'm not a US citizen I don't get a vote, but having watched the debates and arguments surrounding both candidates closely, I'd be casting my vote for Trump.

This isn't because I think he is a good person, or even would make a good leader. In all likelihood Hillary would be the more clinically competent of the two; however I believe that Hillary's politics ultimately represent a continuation of destabilising practices that are harmful to the US, and would forestall any attempt at desperately needed reform. Her political and financial support represent a wide spectrum of actors involved in the media, banks and big business, all with vested interest in the continuation of the status quo- allowing them to levey political influence through Hillary is little short of a burgeoning oligrachy.

Hillary's own rhetoric is already sparking tensions with Russia and seems to be driving at US involvement in another Middle East conflict. Her prior political career has been less than stellar, loaded with accusations of cronyism and corruption, and that she has personally managed to amass a staggering fortune whilst spending most of her adult life as a professional politician is suspicious. Her own criminal charges notwithstanding, the recent candid admission by Alan Schulkin that the Democrat party is engaged in voter fraud means that Hillary, or at least her party, is comfortable with cheating democracy to achieve their own ends. That is unacceptable by any standard.

Furthermore I am deeply worried about the involvement of George Soros as Hillary's chief financial backer and source of much of her support in the media. Soros has made little secret of his contempt for the concept of nation states, and through the open borders foundations has funded coups, revolutions and civil unrest, whilst himself being directly involved in market chicanery that has crashed national economies and caused untold harm to millions. That this man is apparently a close personal confidant to Clinton should be worrying a lot of people.

Meanwhile the worst accusations that can be levelled at Trump is that he is a rather sleazy and unethical businessman who is unqualified for the job, and would likely handle it incompetently. His flip-flopping on issues is indicative that he doesn't have a well defined plan beyond thumbing his nose at the current circus of professional politicians. Though I think he is a somewhat detestable person, I care very little about the scandals and reveals of his personal life as it boils down to little more than character assassination that has no impact on his competency at the job.

Given the choices on offer, I'd take the moron and the slight chance of reform over the Machiavelli disciple without question.

^ This a thousand times

Why are so many people defending Russia now? Its a jingoistic dictatorship. They invaded their neighbors on more than one occasion in the past decade.

And why are people saying Trump is an outsider, he is an elite, same as the rest of them. Has the elitist propaganda worked so well that now a billionaire that has never worked a day in his life is now the everyman?

And what reform would he bring?

Defending a world power? Because we need to? Russia hasn't done anything at all to us and Hillary wants to put us in a losing war with them . She actually declared it already. We would lose.

Against Russia I highly doubt we would lose. Russia is backwards economically and militarily. Not to mention that, again, cyber warfare is happening. China and Russia mainly target the USA on our weakest point - cyber warfare.

You realize no country in the entire history of the world has ever beaten Russia? Why the f*** do you want to fight Russia you know that everyone would just be drafted into a massive war on a cold desolate icy front that we would either dying or the war would be on our Shores

Finland, Mongolia, Poland, Japan.

And three of those were with 'modern' Russia. Poland won a war with them shortly after the Revolution. Finland forced them into a white peace during the Winter War, and Japan beat them to establish it's own dominance. You don't have to occupy territory to win by the way. Germany surrendered in WWI without a single part of the nation being under occupation if memory serves. Not to mention we have a much more powerful economy and many more allies. Russia is by no means some super power and by no means something that deserves the respect it gets.

You forgot Russia's scuffle in Iraq in the 70s that lasted a few years and was secretly funded by the US. They fought Russia for like... 10 years? something like that. Set the basis for the gulf war and such.

I forgot Afghanistan too, and that was when Russia had more land and resources.

Why would we fight Russia? They haven't done anything demanding open warfare. No one would win in such a war anyway if it came to it both sides still have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world over six times.

I don't think anyone is talking about open warfare except the fearmongerers. Beyond cyberwarfare I haven't heard anyone talk about invading Russia or declaring a war on Russia. But the reason to oppose them is because they actively seek to undermine the USA.

Funny... Iraq and Japan have beaten Russia in war. Funny how you forget your history for being so well informed ^.^

The whole reason Osama came into power in the first place was because he was a famed war hero in his fight against Russia. A war Russia started and couldn't finish becuase of economic collapse. Oh and their failed war against Japan because they're "navy" was sunk due to a Typhoon when trying to invade Japan. They aren't invincible.

Also they would have to reach our shores to do a legitimate invasion. Any off shore activity would give our suppierior navy the upper hand, not to mention the air force stationed on US soil. Where can they flee when under pressure? Back to Russia? Back to their ports that are nearly covered in ice 50% of the year? Codeine use your brain. They can't invade the US except by air, and that's silly because you know... Resupply chains and constant reinforcements. They'd lose, period. Everyone knows that. Would they cause damage? Sure, but they wouldn't win and they know it.



Big question though... About these emails, especially these ones from wiki that just popped up... you realize no one has verified they are from Hillery right? CNN said that they couldn't verify who sent the emails. Just they where from a hacked website, who's to say Trump didn't send a hacker to do it? He has the motive, money, and obviously hates Hillery. You can't prove anything really. Hillery's private server hack? No instant of Qui quo pro has happened. The FBI has already said that. Your claims hold no ground and I dare you to challenge me on that fact. Because I know you can't. oth Canidates are horrible. And you have to realize that our national budget is controlled by congress. If Trump is elected President they will just veto his plan and choose their own. They've done it before. And guess what? If he doesn't follow their directions, he can be impeached, because it is against the law for the president to not follow the budget. Get your information correct please. Trump will not change anything. He can't.

I assumed the emails were all fake after the ones about space wars and zero point energy. Anyone could write faked emails.

i guess i more so meant like..taken over russia? point still being war is not a good option against a nuclear power house? why are you arguing for it?

and are you also seriously saying you dont belive those are actually hillary's emails?? LMAO oh my good lord i cant take your seriously. It's like a holocaust denier, they're her emails, they have been released on a VERY trustworthy site that took months to verify and confirm they are hers of course the liberal CNN isnt going to say "go! read them!" the main stream media is all routing for her not against he how can you not see that. CNN even stated "they're illegal to read" if that's not fearmongering against the other candidate or any one that actually wants to be informed that idk what is.

Cyber warfare, once again, is already being conducted. People want to stop it. Its not good, you can't just let it happen.

Also, are the ones about space wars and zero point energy also her emails?

how about you go read through them all and find out rather than just believing things you see :)

Wouldn't I be believing things I see if I read them and automatically just assumed they are real? I'm a writer, and not only for erotica but for political oriented things as well. I could probably fake emails.

I'm saying read direct from the source and not actually from the onion jfc.

This wasn't on the onion, hahahaha. Or if it was then Wikileaks is getting their information from some pretty bizarre sources and shouldn't be trusted anyway.

You can't just believe everything posted to that site, there are some really really stupid things on wikileaks, like the stuff about UFO Jesus conspiracies.

It is, they have and I'm not defending those actions because they are abominable. But Clinton's proposal is idiotic. Trying to push a no-fly zone on Syria is not only going to seriously ruffle some Russian feathers and quite possibly lead to conflict (can you imagine the Coalition submitting to a Russian imposed no-fly zone in its AO?), but it will aid IS greatly as they lack any effective form of air support of their own or the means to effectively shoot down aircraft, and are being kept in check in no small part by Syrian/Russian aircraft. Furthermore, this makes air-based MEDIVAC of personelle and civilians in theater all but impossible.

Trump absolutely is an elite, you're right about that and no one claimed that he wasn't. However, he is not a part of the political elite; that is to say a professional politician. His relatively recent entry into politics limits his scape of cronyism and means that he will have difficulty finding support for proposals amongst the GOP, who much preferred Ted Cruz as their candidate. In other words, Trump is a wildcard even to his own party and upset the rather comfortable notion amongst the GOP that they can simply tell people which candidate to vote for via the right-wing media and it would be so.

I honestly don't expect Trump to make any sweeping changes off his own bat. As already stated, I think he will be a mediocre president at best. With luck, as an anti-globalist he will take action against the asset-stripping currently taking place throughout the US, and the outsourcing of jobs that destabilise the working class and perpetuate cycles of poverty and state dependence. However much as in BREXIT when a great many political figures nailed their colours to the mast of the 'in' campaign and sank with that ship, I expect a great deal of corporatist interests backing Hillary to lose out big if she does. Again, as happened in the UK it will likely trigger back-bench revolts and a shift in political thinking, hopefully moving away from corporate-political alliances and reliance on media spin after $1.7 billion got sunk into a failed campaign.

I view business elite and political elite much the same. Both have more power than they know what to do with and often abuse it maliciously while seeking more.

And that globalism is the reason you can enjoy so many luxuries in life, international trade has benefited the world overall. Its easy to point to the bad and say why, very few people seem to focus on the good that comes out of actions.

Also, if he wanted the help the working class maybe he would talk about minimum wage being raised and the powers of corporations being reduced, but I don't see that. Protectionism won't help the economy any. There are several examples of it not working just in the modern era.

Speaking of BREXIT, do you remember how all the right-wing leaders immediately went back on the promises they said they'd make, like the money that was sent to the EU being used for other things that they literally immediately backed down on? I don't trust anyone who thinks it is their right to arbitrarily tell me I have to act like them or look like them or think like them. Or that tells me that I'm stupid because I'm not white, or that I don't belong somewhere because of some asinine reason. I don't trust those people, and never will.

The thing is that globalism and international trade are not one and the same thing. Trade happened long before globalism gained momentum as a political ideology, and whilst many globalists have the best of intentions at heart, in practice it results in every business owner competing directly with the biggest fish, and every worker competing with slave labour. The workers then unionise to demand a livable wage and conditions, and the business either outsources to said slave labour, or goes bankrupt because it can't compete with cheap imports. The problem here is regulation, which is a can of worms so huge and so closely tied to political stances that getting an objective view of it is next to impossible.

Here is the trick. Raising the minimum wage won't help in the long term- it is a short term solution at best, effective only until the cost of living rise to match. Raising the minimum wage either requires the business to eat into its profits, or the state to subsidise the wage. In the first case the business may bankrupt itself; this is particuarly true of small businesses with very little overhead, and can lead to the formation of monopolies and large-scale unemployment. In the second, the subsidy is generated from tax revenue and taxes then need to be raised accordingly, so may in fact cost more to the very workers you're giving a raise after the government employees and box tickers take their cut. In BOTH cases the productivity of the country isn't improving in real terms simply by raising the minimum wage, goods remain overvalued, so inflation begins to set in and the cost of living quickly rises to meet the new minimum wage standards; you end up creating a bubble. Then you're right back to square 1. To really improve the lives of people you need to generate more cash in real terms by selling goods and services at competative prices, and if that was possible without adversely affecting labour conditions or pay we'd be doing it already.

I remember a great deal of misinformation spun by both sides of the debate and choose not to consider either more deplorable than the other because of it. The irony is, that "I don't trust anyone who thinks it is their right to arbitrarily tell me I have to act like them or look like them or think like them." Is the same argument the anti-globalist portion of BREXIT supporters used and were branded as bigots and little englanders for it. This is the Horseshoe Theory in action: far right devolves into racisim, and the far left devolves into identity politics and both meet in the middle in a perfect storm of sanctimonious idiocy. Neither are valid, and neither have any place anywhere near the political stage or reasoned debate.

Not American so obviously don't get to vote.

But I'd vote Trump, not because of what he says or what he wants to do, but because he is the least worst out of the pair. Clinton genuinely scares me and if I had to choose I'd pick the crazy outsider over the crazy insider.

Outside of what? They are both elites.

Fucking nobody because I'm not a yank. If I was I would have a sour taste in my mouth no matter who I voted for because let's be real here, they're BOTH shit candidates through and through.


But such is the issue of a political dichotomy (same here in the UK as well where I, once again hate both parties). Personally I think both countries would benefit from a third, actually viable party (no the Libertarians don't count).

I'm not looking forward to however the next president either way.

Will be voting for Trump. Hillary's only experience running something from the top spot is her time in the state department, and no one, and I mean NO ONE, is saying she did anything but a horrible job.

Her only notable experience since then was breaking federal law in deleting the evidence of her horrible tenure in said state department.

She's also paid off women who were victims of sexual assault to the tune of an average of 850K per (six of the nine who accused Clinton, the other three refused the money). Let's also not ignore the long history of voter intimidation, media collusion, and outright lies that goes all the way back to her time at Whitewater Development Corporation.

Trump isn't exactly a friendly guy. Not the sort of person you'd want to have a beer with.

He is however a proven leader, does have an extraordinary record of success, and wouldn't get eaten alive at the bargaining table with the likes of Putin and Xi Xinping.

yes , all of this, 100% with you here.

Funny... I don't think of leaders as lying bigots who are also corrupt. If you haven't forgot Trump denying the things he had previously said, I don't mean "Oh I meant this and not that" I mean him listening to recordings of his vioce, on national television, stating bigotted things and then denying that he ever said it, with evidence staring at his face. I've never seen a leader flip-flop like he does either. Going to the point of calling his voters idiots and fools. Leaders don't act like that. They encourage and help others. They take the hard road even if the easy road is open, brcause they know in the end the hard road will give more value. Trump has none of these qualities, unless leadership has seriously taken some dramatic turns for the worse. Obama comes to mind. He has the voice and carisma of a leader. He actually did a lot in office to help the country as a whole. People who hate him now don't understand what he truly did. Obamacare is actually a wonderful idea, it needs some tweeks, but it allows people like me and my oldest sister to afford healthcare without going bankrupt or eating stale bread to get by. It does need tweeks of course, it's still new, but it is a step in the right direction for the lower middle class and below. Trump spits on good ideas and everything that doesn't fit his beliefs. He is more of a child then a 69 year old man. Is Hillery much better? Not by much, but I think I would feel a lot better with Hillery in office over Trump. I don't like either of them, but Trump is definitely no leader.

You may of course vote as you choose.

It is, while not exactly clear given your atrocious sentence structure, at least evident that you're voting for the woman you wish Hillary was rather than the traitorous criminal she has demonstrated herself to be.

If you think bigotry is grounds to bar someone from the presidency, but destruction of federal property, gross negligence while in public office, and being a bag man who pays off or intimidates into silence Slick Willie's many rape victims is not... you can live with that.

I won't.

So you'll stand for an old man who would grope women and brag about it, who thinks women have no say in anything and are basically dirt. You will vote for a man who thinks of nothing but his personal gain and solidifying that power can be obtained with threats, hatred, and lies. They are both acting like children, but after this... unfortunately Trump will get nothing done. As others have stated, Hillery actually has connections and is well liked in congress. She'll get laws that NEED to be passed, actually passed. And I trust in the Supreme court to make sure those laws are just and fit the Constitution. Trump and Hillery have done the same thing this election, putting blinders on to one side doesn't make it not go away. Hillery can get things done, Trump will complain till he gets his way. That's how I see it. Obviously we share different views here.

Also please don't critique my sentence structure. If I was writing a term paper for my English professor, I'd use a lot more tact. I am not writing such paper so please bare with my short handed approach and do not assume I lack the education that I have fought for all my life. Thank you.

I'm sure this won't come back to haunt me in 4 years~ not at all~

I'm really on the fence about this... Idealistically, Gary is my strongest match up; Followed by Hillary, and then Trump. I want to vote Gary. But I know that in doing that, there's a risk that the electoral college (which really needs to be done away with...) may put my vote down for Hillary... So I may have to choose Trump...

Hillary has a proven record of being a liar and manipulator. Her entire campaign is based around, "look how bad trump is, I can do better". But she's been in a higher position for 30 years, and she's not done better... And her leaked emails show that she's always starting or planning on secret wars with people. She has clout with everyone who runs something or has money, if she wanted something changed, it would not be hard.

At least trump won't lie to your face... He just owns up to all the stuff he's said.

I'd like to hear your thoughts though, my days get long and boring~

i think it would be best to vote trump, gary is very...idk "triggry" he gets very upset and mad at every little thing.

tump is very targeted in this, while hillary has called people er "the n word" out of anger, has hit bodyguards with a bible , is very temperamental

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcqh0gRy-og

this rolls over my biggest reasons that i would rather die than vote for her.

not to mention the emails that im still reading though

Maybe one of her "heat strokes" will put her out of the running... or at least out of office...

And sadly if trump wins, some touchy feely teen is going to shoot him... There's so many ideological semi-cults out there vying for position and who can be the most oppressed that someone will take it upon themselves for "the greater good"....

smfh this country is all sorts of fucked up rn tbh

I hate every single candidate, Id legit vote some shitty meme before I vote any of the candidates. Not allowing someone who is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who are the same people who fund ISIS and other terrorist organizations (Hillary). Not letting someone who will ban porn, try to fuck up foreign relations with other countries, and is an outright fucked up individual in general (Trump). Not voting an idiot who doesnt even know what Aleppo is, and legit sounds like a retard in most of his promo time (Gary), and I am not voting a person who would desecrate a government funded process, which led to a warrant (Jill). I personally think this campaign is fucked. We lost one of the only good candidates because the DNC fucked over him because the media and everything else has bias towards.

I honestly just cant wait to get out of this shithole. I do agree with Trump on a lot of things, especially his economical policies because I find them to be what could make America better economical wise, but I am very much sure he will ban things I rely on for happiness. Seems like a stupid thing to be upset over, but still. I do not like his cocky attitude and how he legit said that Global Warming was a theory made up by China. He seems like an out of touch grandpa, almost like Vince McMahon nowadays; I guess now I can see why they are friends. I just legit wish there was someone who felt more presidential running, it shows that anyone could make it into office. I dont trust either one of the candidates whatsoever. Fuck this election.

I may sound like an asshole, but personally I am just this infuriated with this election, it makes me so sad to see this is what America does because they are always so ill informed with elections. I get Hillary really isnt our fault because the DNC rigged her into becoming the Democratic candidate, but still, this is just horrible.

You know an election is fucking bad when they are not voting for who they want, they are voting to keep the person they are not voting for out of office, thats the big sign this campaign is the equivalent of all 325 million of us taking a huge shit in The White House and calling it good.

yeeeeh i feel it ((tho tbh im starting to feel the whole made up global warming thing..shit we still have the icebergs that were said they were gunna melt every year for the past 13 years...i do however think we are fucking our planet in the ass real hard w/o lube, and i will sing it from the mountain that we're decimating wildlife populations due to greed ))

I mean, if you think about it, carbon emissions have passed 400 parts per million, which is the highest its been and we have almost 0 chance of it declining at all. The Great Barrier Reef is having a bleaching epidemic caused by temperature increase. I Think the only thing that will save us is the magnetic shift soon which might trigger an ice age (If scientists can actually prove such a thing causes ice ages, they have no evidence yet). All in all there is not much we can do, and the effects will become very severe in the coming years. Theyve always stated that it will happen over time. There is an island nation that is facing their islands sinking entirely, and they have plans to move to Fiji, which might also suffer the same fate.

About carbon dioxide, it is a greenhouse gas, which, if we get enough of it in the atmosphere, it will surely turn our planet into something similar to Venus, who also has a thick CO2 atmosphere.

Im sure we will find some way to fight climate change, but its hard to get big companies and countries to shy away from Oil, because it contributes to a huge sum of the economy.

no dude i fukkin feel it, we've jacked up bad and chemtrails and polluting our oceans is not helping one fucking bit, you know?

Yeah its really sad :(

That's really just the nature of the American election system, it penalizes splitting the vote. If you imagine both Hillary and Bernie running against trump, and Trump gets 40%, Bernie gets 30% and Hillary gets 30% then the 60% who didn't want Trump end up with him as the prez (or switch things out for Hillary vs Trump and Cruz or whoever).

Until the US changes how it counts votes, you literally can only vote against the candidate you like the least, by voting for the most likely candidate to win out of the remainder. Anything else is just throwing your vote away.

Strategically it's much more important to vote in the primaries so that we don't end up stuck with the choice between two terrible candidates.

Yep, but if you look at the primaries, you understand how little the turnout is, if I remember correctly, only a few hundred thousand voted in the Californian election, give or take if you believe the DNC fucked over votes for Bernie, thats still around the amount, if that even... Just kind of how America is, it is way more enthused to promote other "important" things than its own election. I honestly think they should make voting more mandatory, and promote more third parties to get a dose of debate and other things, I find it stupid they have to have 15% and that most Americans are so afraid that leftist beliefs are wrong. I guess maybe their two party system limits other people who might try to mess with the current system. I dont really know a whole lot about Politics, so dont take a lot of what I say seriously. I dont argue politics because opinions never change in the matter, I only do it to familiarize myself with others.

I appreciate anyone who votes one or the other, but I just dont want to vote. Both candidates are literally equally appalling. Sucks the first year I am able to vote this happens.

I apologize, 3.4 million voted. Thats still sad given only around 11% of the entire population that was eligible to vote voted.

I payed more attention to the DNC because I had a strong feeling Trump was going to win anyways after most of the Republicans dropped.

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Lmao

What's your thoughts on Trump v Hillary?

hilary

because i think trump is far to unstable of a human being to have so much power, also he is (to put it lightly) a fucking idiot

hilary should be locked away but trumo should have to repeat pre school

also look at the worst case scenarios of each

hilary: manipulates the country to benefit herself financially at the expense of others
trump: nuclear war

i know which future id rather live through

but Hill is the one that already declared war on russia...tump wants to beat ISIS? maybe im missing your point here.

donald trump reportedly is constantly going on and on about nuclear weapons. his own party members called him obsessed with them. he also believes that every country (including ones like saudi arabi) should have nukes. he is nuke crazy and with a temperament like his he shouldnt have control

I don't recall any of that but okie :3

dont get me wrong i dont think hilary deserves to win either its just i believe that she is the lesser of 2 great evils and i feel that if the worst case scenario were to happen id be less fucked over by hilary than trump. id vote for an empty plastic bag if i could but i cant

I understand, I just feel the opposite haha. It just kinda sucks that even the 3rd parties this year are ass. I mean I voted for Jeb in the primary election :s

id vote for jill tbh. shes not ideal but i couldnt live with myself if i voted for hilary and she won.

tbh though i give trump a 0% of winning, heres why:

1. if hilary gets more votes, she wons. simple
2. if trump gets more votes the hilary will rig it. shes already done so much electoral fraud i dont think she will let her efforts go to waste.

in my eyes hilary cant lose, shes to dirty to lose

i know, it's a filty trick, thats the main reason im 100000% against her. Jill seem nice, level headed, but she things she can bark orders at the national reserve (that doesnt listen to the president btw) to make over a trillion dollars to bair people out of student debt. while it's a nice idea, it wont work. and thats her main platform, she would need to somehow make a law that would make them listen to her , she keeps calling it a magic trick and thats not informative to voters

also, one more thing

mike pence

donald trump could pay me a million dollars and i wouldnt vote for him while he runs with that scum cunt mike pence

Honestly, I just want to vote for anyone other than Hillary.

I just wish Kaish had gotten the Republican Nomination...

I have to vote for Trump...

The fact that the ESTABLISHMENT on BOTH sides hates Trump is all the more reason to elect him. He upsets the status quo and people that have not been brainwashed by the biased global media companies can see he is actually the closest thing to a MODERATE or LIBERTARIAN that America may ever see.

Hillary has gotten people killed, and has taken over $250MILLION from ANTI-GAY, ANTI-WOMAN, ANTI-WESTERN Muslim countries that still imprison and murder gay people and force women and children to be sex slaves.

Not to forget how many big businesses and media corporations have Hillary in their back pocket and the fact that over 30 years she has actually done very little to nothing in terms of rights for women or gays.

Hillary is the Mitt Romney of Democrats, she is so out of touch with "the people" and "reality" it is ridiculous. She is nothing more than a pandering, lying, puppet that will do anything to get elected, including having people "suicided", hell even her accent changes when she goes to certain states, it is so fucking sad.

I don't know what happened to the Democrats and Liberals in the last 8 or so years but they have completely "flipped the script" and are now pretty much everything they used to hate.

Hillary is a turd sandwich, and Trump is a giant douche... So I'll vote for the douche because at least a douche will still clean things out.

haha omg that last part

I'm voting for #StayHomeAndDrawPorn

Never voting Hillary and won't vote for the orangutan. If i had a gun to my head and forced to choose, Trump only because he's not Hillary. Hell, I'd vote Hitler over Hillary, that's how much i despise her.

The reason why i despise Hillary so much is she is the prime example of the corrupt, two-faced, elitist, corporatist politician that's eating America alive and she effectively kneecaps any possibility of a progressive policy change as she is seen as the liberal left progressive, even though she's almost as far right as Bush, maybe worse. She had the entire nomination system rigged in her favor and we know this for a fact that it was fraud, but no one's going to jail. There is no possibility of a revote either. She dragged through the mud a good man, the greatest senator America undeservedly has and she has no remorse.

She is bought and paid for by corporations and foreign countries and will do their bidding, ignoring the American people's will. And everything she does, will be seen as the left side of the issue so anything she does that goes wrong, and it will, will be seen as a failure of left-wing policies and the right will find it easier to push their policies, even though they're not much different than Hilary's.

Trump has horrific rhetoric, worse than Hillary, but he's so unpopular and disliked by the establishment, he'll get literally nothing done unless congress is taken over similarly insane republicans.

I'm voting Jill Stein, i don't care who actually takes office as we're all going to get fucked anyway and not in the good way. Fuck this false dichotomy. We had the opportunity to have a real progressive in office with Bernie Sanders, but no. The media ignored him if they weren't slandering him. Feminists ignored him because he doesn't have a vag between his legs. Blacks ignored him because Hillary carries hot sauce in her purse. And the whole system was rigged in her favor to exclude the numerous voters who would have voted for Bernie.

Burn this country down.

Who will I vote for? I look at my choices, and I don't like any of them. I felt the Bern back when people were asking him to run for president, and I felt kind of hopeless after he dropped out.
I still do, to be honest.

I see negatives in all of the candidates on the ticket, enough to where I would tick the ballot and be less than 50% confident that I was happy with my choice.

1 - Hillary. I don't trust her whatsoever. Her willingness to say anything to be on the right side of history too late, her constant email scandals, her foothold in the DNC's pocket, amongst many other things. I would rather have Kate McKinnon pretend to be her as president rather than Hillary being there. Kate McKinnon has a backbone, and she's a lesbian. That's two more positives than I could think of having Clinton in office.

2- The Donald. If I don't trust Hillary whatsoever, then quantify the integer for my level of distrust in Hillary and place a factorial exclamation next to it. That's how much I dislike, distrust, and am disgusted this guy. Every proposition that flies out of his mouth, from his Mexican rapist quote to his remarks on women and sexual assault; every horror story my parents told me about his shady dealings and exploits in Manhattan and Atlantic City from their experience; his willingness to scam money from people who idolize him and his wealth-- amongst these and other things, the only way Trump gets a vote out of me is if he resurrects Jim Jones, so that when I drink my Kool-Aid, I can rest my conscience knowing I won't have to live through the torture to come.

3 - Gary Johnson. This guy's a grab bag, a hoot, a holler, and other things no president should be called before being inaugurated. As a New Mexican, at one point I had to live through his governorship. Sure, he was able to bring New Mexico to a surplus, but not before cutting things without giving much credence as to what he was doing (especially to the poor). He talks about cutting government departments as if they don't matter at all, while their true functions help our country immensely. Also, his tax plan is economically infeasible without burdening the middle class, and his general lack of knowledge of foreign affairs makes me cringe inside. I don't think a Johnson presidency would work.

4 - Jill Stein. After Bernie dropped out, I was seriously considering supporting Jill. I agreed with her on a good portion of the issues she raises, yet some things about her put me off more than I want to admit. Even though she's extremely educated, she doesn't seem to have given much thought into how her plan to forgive student loan debt would actually work, even though I would like that very, very much. She's on the fence about non-issues and conspiracy theories that should never be questioned in such a way (ahem, autism and vaccines YOUR A FUCKING DOCTOR JILL, GET IT TOGETHER, ahem) so that she tries to broaden her appeal to communities I would never assume to support her. If the Green Party put up a serious candidate next election season, I might bite, but I'm not too sure what could warrant it.

While the air is ripe for people to consider reforming the electoral college and to consider backing third-party candidates who they agree with, this may be the worst election year in history for something like that to blossom. Not every election is 1968 or 1992, but I wish it would go further than that. I feel like this election is like me rolling a D4, and desperately wanting it to land on 5. Whomever I vote for, I will never be satisfied with my choice. And when my future-grandkids ask me who I voted for this election, I'll say that Gramma wants them to keep quiet while I finally watch Dexter.

Hillary. The choice should not be one of who's cooler, or who's genitals deserve it more. The simple fact of the matter is that the best candidate is the most qualified one. As much as people want to believe that Trump is a "populist" candidate who cares for them and their well being, in reality he's just another run-of-the-mill Republican, with the exception of being exceedingly argumentative, stubborn, and ignorant.

We all want a revolution; Americans look at the status quo and we want to tear our hair out. Unfortunately, that's not going to come with any candidate, Republican, Democrat, or otherwise (looking at you, Johnson) If Hillary wins, she'll be greeted with a Democratic congress that loves her, and a Republican congress that will go to the ends of the earth to discredit her and stop any form of progress. On the other hand, if Trump wins, he'll have a Democratic side of congress that will hate his guts and stop at nothing to block legislation, and a Republican side with ~50% that will be doing exactly the same.

So we put in the provably corrupt 'experienced' politician, instead of a businessman who has nothing as far as corruption to his name. Lovely logic there.

Trust me I hate the left right, political shuffle too. But Trump isn't Republican, he came out of nowhere, claiming to be Democrat his whole life, stepped into a primary with 15 other candidates, and came out on top of all of them, and ripping the GOP nomination from their hands. Thus far he's single handedly destroyed the GOP, and then reformed it around him. The only question is it in his own benefit or will it's reformation include morals?

I feel Trump is a roll of the dice, compared to Hillary being certainty (good or bad). People who aren't happy, a lot of people, are willing to roll the dice and hope for better. From what I've also seen, is a lot of people who go for the certainty of Hillary seem to be in defeat, and just let the status quo continue under this idea that nothing will change it, despite them actively voting for it to proceed.

I'd hardly go so far as to say that he's reformed the GOP around himself. He's certainly been destructive, but whatever the odd mess is that he's formed around himself, it's hardly recognizable as the Republican party. The irony is that the man, himself, really could have made a lot of the party with his appeal to the common man (despite having little actual commonality) but instead chose to push his constituency to the extreme and alienate the moderates that he needed to lock a victory in November.

Also, I'll acknowledge that this is subjective, but this hardly seems like the right time to roll the dice. In spite of how bad Americans view things as, we're still actually in a pretty alright place as a whole. Trump has built an entire campaign on fear-mongering and telling Americans how much our nation sucks. That being said, the world around us is in a pretty rough spot. Americans need to realize that we have built the world up around us, to support us and supported by us. To just drop it would not only be globally catastrophic, but would also be nothing short of astronomically immoral.

Lastly, I'll point out that Hillary's career is hardly deserving of the quotations regarding her political experience. If we're going to describe her as "probably corrupt" then it's just as fair to say that Trump is in the very same spot. At least her money comes from within the United States for the most part, as opposed to the nationalist candidate who can't even get a loan from any banks in this nation.

Alienate moderates? I am one of those moderates brought in. I don't think you understand his appeal to the moderate.

The path we're going down is a steady path downwards. Our economy is slowly tanking, we import far more than we export. We don't create jobs, we don't create wealth. We're being pushed out by bigger producers with no human rights like India, China, Mexico, etc. Some of the most affected areas have become so poor and run down they're a shadow of their former glory ~50 years ago. Our infrastructure is crumbling, to vote Hillary in under the guise that it's stability, is to pack wool in our ears and pretend everything is alright. This is why Trump is a roll of the dice, compared to Hillary being a shallow slope down.

"To just drop it would not only be globally catastrophic, but would also be nothing short of astronomically immoral."
What happens to a nation that's built it's economy off of predatory deals towards our businesses, is not our problem. It's like saying it's immoral to stop letting a leech take our blood. Not to overly characterize the scenario with fear mongering coloring, but I'm expressing my thoughts on it. I simply think we let far too much slide in international trade. Instead of killing our self with the $15 an hour gibberish, actually bring jobs in and watch wages go up with new competition and a wealth of jobs and opportunity.

"At least her money comes from within the United States for the most part"
We're not assuming Hillary is corrupt. She is, we have the proof http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/.....rst-nightmare/ Lets ignore that 20% of her campaign is funded by Saudi Arabia, and don't bother looking at how much else of it is funded by foreign nations. She'd never give them preferential treatment for being bought off. Our government wouldn't have a new bundle of puppet strings attached with her walking into the whitehouse. But what are we basing Trump is corrupt off of?

Well, if we're allowed to pretend that websites like The Political Insider constitute legitimate, unbiased reporting, then I guess I can pull out The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics.....andals/474726/

Also, referring to the parts of the world that we used to practice nation-building on as "leeches" is exactly the kind of shit that makes people hate Trump and his supporters. We have invaded and circumvented the democratic process countless times for our own benefit, and Trump would have you believe that these nations now owe us for the honor of being bombed by the mighty United States. The man is incapable of acknowledging his own mistakes and making them right, and now we have an entire major faction of our political system that wants to remove any sense of accountability on our part on a global scale.

Look, I'm a college student in Vermont; I've been here through the Bernie-mania and all that shit. I get that people aren't happy, but the fact is that we have two candidates here who are both only willing to help a specific part of the population. Trump's interests lie with the wealthy and elite, and frankly Hillary is really the same. The difference here is that at the very least Hillary is willing to pretend to care about those who deserve a little extra help, rather then only those who are more then capable of helping themselves.

On top of this, I think we're ignoring the core of all this; Who is more qualified here? Americans have an inherent mistrust of politicians, which is understandable. The issue is that we seem to think that replacing our politicians with someone else is a good idea. It's like if you don't trust mailmen, so instead you have a gas station attendant deliver all your packages; could it work? I guess there's a possibility. Is it a good idea? You tell me when you don't get that dildo you ordered three months ago :/

"Trump's interests lie with the wealthy and elite"
I've yet to see this, at all. Just the same as people saying Trump is racist or sexist.

I specifically pointed out my coloration of nations as "leeches" for it being unsavory. There's not much else that gets the idea off as effectively, but that is what's happening economically.

And no, everyone is capable of helping themselves, we give money to the disabled. I fall in between these thanks to obamacare killing my insurance for pigeon's chest pressing my sternum against my heart. I still can pay the rent, and I'm not dumb enough to have kids I can't afford. At what point is someone's lack of responsibility not their own fault within the context of the west?

The wrong person for the right job is such a weak argument that falls apart instantly. That's the point. "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth" I fail to see how a career politician has any attachment to "the people" they rule over for most of their lives. The best leaders we've had were people who were politically motivated but did not dedicate their careers to political payoffs as we see today.

Just to name a few gas station attendants delivering our packages. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Zachary Taylor, Ulysses Grant, Chester Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower.

All of those men held some degree of political power prior to their election to the office of POTUS. Trump, on the other hand, is a businessman, and not a very good one at that. One must keep in mind that the size of one's financial value is not the only measure of your success as a businessperson. Several massive economic failures might have been fine for the Trump brand, but it's hardly the sort of gamble we can afford, especially if the nation is as bad off as you all seem to think it is.

The idea that a billionaire is going to be your brilliant populist candidate is nothing short of delusional. Anyone with an ounce of critical reasoning skills can see that this man is not an some altruistic money-Jesus here to fix all of our financial problems. He is a rich man, with a lot of rich friends, no accountability, no humility, not exactly the brightest bulb in the box (I'm not saying he's dumber than Hillary; neither is exactly a 100-watt) , and significant ties to Russia and Putin himself.

As for the unfounded nature of the claims (which they're not), let's look at it.
First off, the mere fact that he is a billionaire is proof enough that the man has a tendency to put his self-interest first. Nobody makes that much money just by being a good person. Openly admitting to abusing tax loopholes is also the sort of thing that baffles me, especially when he's running a campaign against the corruption that occurs in Washington that gets written off under technicalities.
The sexism comes with repeated examples of a view of women that can only be described as sickening. "Grab her by the pussy"? The assertion that he has free reign over a woman's body because of his status? The fact that a huge segment of his brand is based off of the objectification and judgment of women? The broad assumptions about the treatment of Muslim women (Also fairly racist)?
The racism is a big one that is hard to define, and I will be the first to admit it. As you've pointed out, Trump has done very little in the way of being explicitly racist, and to call him a racist isn't wholly accurate. That being said, pandering to racists is hardly any better. Frankly, it'd almost be better if he was simply outright racist, as at least then he'd be sincere about it. Instead, he chooses to stir the pot; riling up those who would have this nation purged of all diversity in spite of the fact that we are a nation of immigrants. I doubt that a Trump presidency would see much on the way of mass-discrimination through laws or government actions, but when you have a man in the White House who remains silent when they get an endorsement from the KKK, what kind of message does that send the nation, or other nations for that matter.

On that note, do you believe that other nations will respect us with Trump in charge? The man may be a politician to you, but to the rest of the globe he's a mediocre businessman, a reality TV star, and in China, a great source of manufacturing business (You wanna give American's jobs? Then let them make your line of suits). The man has no likable traits in the modern era of global politics, and will be nothing but a joke. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not get laughed at for being the person from the country where our leader spent a legitimate amount of time peddling steaks and condos.