Thankfully, the president can't stop the counts, legally it cannot happen, there is nothing he can do constitutionally to stop the elections from finishing. If for some reason the election is not figured out by the time the new president is supposed to be sworn in, then the temp president because Nancy Pelosi if I am not mistaken. LegalEagle did a really good video on this.

I am less concerned about war and just the death toll rising from the virus leading to mass graves and other crappy stuff.

well i mean he did just install another proxy agent in the supreme court like last week.

Even then....unless he plans to do away with the entire gov't structure and literally become dictator, which I feel even the people who voted for him will not go for.....but who knows people are crazy

i wish, the people who voted for him are clearly ok with everything else he's done over the past four years. why would they object to him just declaring himself king

Good point, but I think congress would have a lot to say about it, even the Republican senate would likely not want to give up their power. Hm...Caesar 2.0 maybe? Except he wouldn't be as universally liked by the population like Caesar was.

He cant. The supreme court can. See Bush vs Gore.

Even then if people were in line before the polling center closed, they legally cannot say the person cannot vote, which at this point I think is moot.

Taking Trump literally is absolutely pointless. More often than not he uses the incorrect words. He wants to stop the counting (as evidenced by the multiple lawsuits in different states to do so.)
That is what he meant when he said "Stop the vote".

He's just mad, and if he stopped the vote now he isn't winning currently. So... I am not sure what good it'd serve him to stop the counting.

He is just so full of himself.

"...the death toll rising from the virus leading to mass graves and other crappy stuff."

You mean again? New York had a line of refrigerated trucks for the bodies and eventually started digging a big trench for the bodies. You can find pictures fairly easily.

Great.....nice to know this went largely under the radar.

Yeah, we hit hundreds a day recently...even if you break that out over all the states, that's still a lot of bodies per day to deal with.

Yep.

"He can't break the law! That's illegal!"

...yeah, that's the point. Trump has no respect for the law, except when it benefits him.

I am well aware, LegalEagle did a video on his disregard for the rule of law.

That's the GOP in a nutshell. They want "law and order" until it applies to them or threatens white, male privilege.

Ive not seen trump say to stop counting votes. Ive seen him say to the polling stations that are still letting people vote after the deadline to stop.

if you are in line before the polling center closes, you are legally allowed to vote, period the end.

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status.....90880902823936

"We'll be going to be going to the US Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop"

I was about to say the same thing.

Sorry hard disagree here.

You are free to disagree. Though given your other comments, if you just insult someone and take no effort to explain anything. You are in desperate need of getting out of your bubble and respect people. Those who hatefully accuse people of ignorance while being ignorant themselves to their own echo chamber, for whatever side one is on, is terrible.

Hey, whatever excuse you need to feel better about defending people who enabled those such as the "Womb Collector" in ICE camps.

also which is genuinely fucking depressing because I used to have respect for you Kirisha, knowing you defend people who eagerly brown nose for trumpism. While you yourself deals with trans issues is genuinely amazing, thank you for being such a traitor to people that know you.

I defend no one. I call out your unfound insults on someone. Because I tell you not to insult someone in such a low brow manner is rather depressing. And dare I say, rather extreme. I know my history and the idea of "Well if you don't 100% agree with me, you are obviously insert these insults here, make you an other, and try ostracize people. I defend freedom of speech and that is all. If you are insulted by someone saying have a real conversation, not a 2 year old insulting match. You may need to look at your hateful stance on people. It's really troubling.

So in other words I will sum this up here, you are taking completely baseless bullshit yourself to act like the mere fact that I don't eagerly want to support a person who backs those who are in favor of xenophobia, bigotry, racism, literally extracting the uteri from women who are in ICE camps. Is somehow yikes, amazing, thank you so much for showing where you stand on known facts of today. This really lost any respect I had for ya, will let Kyera know as well if they haven't already found out.

No, I say, don't insult people. When you call someone an idiot, and they ask why, and you simply call them an idiot again. Regardless of who. That is immature. I don't take hate from anyone, especially someone who is being as hateful as you.

Thanks for that, it's great knowing that someone I genuinely had respect for, is the same atrocity excusing piece of shit as the rest, regardless how you look at yourself now, history won't.

I don't like either candidate. I respect the American freedom of speech. You have your right to insult people go for it, if me saying that I disagree with how you insult people as a poor way of communicating with people. Well, that's on you.

So what you are pointing out here is you respect fascist views regardless how much it squelches other views under the obfuscation of free speech. See this is the adorable part that really shows the dishonesty of your type, you wear the paradox of tolerance like it's something to be respected.

Some Republicans are chafing at this too. It's a seriously sick thing to say and probably meant to troll liberals. But that's his fetish.

he would need 4 states and instant 270 votes even without penn. most those 4 seem to be republican based.

What people need to most remember about 'war' in general? Is there are always two sides. And if either side didn't draw blood there wouldn't be one.

That is a way over-extreme view of events that while probably will come to a head at some point are not nearly about to happen yet unless people on the other side start it.

I suggest visiting or moving to an actual third world nation to compare right now just to see the difference as well...

No one could argue (although I'm sure lots will lol) that he is the one of the least useful if not the least we've had in quite some time (if ever) however not for 90% of the reasons and things that people assign blame to him for.

The 'increased' racism for one. If one studies the majority of ages of racist people...and not to blame them or create an age-gap or blame them...but they grew up in a different time so the majority of 'true' racists are actually middle-age and/or older...which means...what? They were there during Obama's presidency. And Bush's. Not one of those (or previous ones 'caused' it as the blame that Trump gets for that. It's simply rearing it's head and at least because of that people can once and for all deal with it (side note - in case that gets taken wrong I'm not saying Trump did anything right/that allowed it to 'show' itself either, just that he's not to blame for it).

The economy while not to the inflated standards he believed/said it was had actually been doing quite well and were it not for the pandemic would have continued to do so.

His 'handling' of the pandemic...now that's definitely one he's failed at. However, not to the extent again that blame is assigned for. It has literally been an unprecedented scenario that most (despite the hindsight being 2020/other side saying they could have done better without proof) would have had a hard time with. When it's compared to ebola or other such scenarios as it commonly is they forget that Ebola worked so differently that it never actually even had a chance of becoming so big or widespread as it kills its victims too fast and doesn't remain asymptomatic or hidden.
One of the biggest things he should have done for example was to make a federal mask mandate (although there should be exceptions to such as I saw someone at my work who literally passed out due to being unable to breathe for wearing one with her asthma + age) though even that wouldn't have helped nearly as much as people believe as first off, most people would still ignore it, and second, the airborne particles (of which many people still try to argue don't exist) are still going to get through any mask but an N95 which even hospitals didn't have enough to spare for all people.
To argue both sides, one of the things he did right however (and I know that a majority will disagree with this opinion, which is what it is, so feel free...) was not sharing how deadly and bad it was. I completely agree. It is a Presidents job to keep peace and you already had people panicking and nearly rioting...if he gave an end-of-the-world speech like "Guess what? We can't wholly prevent it, and we can't cure it. You will just most likely die your best and only bet is to avoid it" that would have caused such widespread issue beyond what we even have that it would be ridiculous.

Anyway, I've taken up far too much space being way off topic and sure that I will get many hate filled comments, notes, and probably even blocked by a few artists I like to follow

I'm okay with that and do you know why? I'm an American who believes in free speech. If anyone else Bi Partisan as I am (or even just able to keep an open mind and actually be reasonable) ever wants to discuss things feel free to note me...though I am very slow on responses at the moment as I work at a hospital so things are needless to say a bit busy right now...

"a war has two sides" yes, and sometimes one side is doing it's damned best to just continue to exist, or are you going to say poland is of the same level of guilt during the opening days of WWII as the germans were?

Yes in this case the democrats are more guilty but when the fight is against someone who has REPEATEDLY derided the system we have in place to prevent one person from getting too much power, we have an issue.

Basic game theory.

If both sides fight,war.
If neither side fights, peace.
If one side fights and the other doesn't... then the side that fights gets everything they want, and the other gets oppressed to make sure they pose no future threat.
Unless you have complete confidence that your potential enemy is not going to resort to war, then the best option you can take is to strike first and seize the advantage - because they will be making exactly the same decision.

Well, when a store closes, it doesn't let new people come in. When the lotto ends, you can't buy more tickets. When the bus leaves the station, you can't just flag it down to jump on.

As for worse, I'd think the democrat president Andrew Jackson was one of the worse presidents we had, what with what he did to the native americans. He is also the reason the democrats avatar is a jackass.

when it comes to violent people in the streets, the ony groups I've seen are the BLM, Antifa, and communist SJW's burning down poor black neighborhoods, looting stores, and killing people. I've ye to see anything about violent trump supporters attacking old people with bricks like antifa and blm.

If you want to blame someone, blam the main stream media. MSNBC, FOX, CNN, and others like them for screaming lies and fake news and belching out "Orange man bad" 24/7 and driving people insane with their gas lighting. They all work for the corrupt establishment and hate that an outsider like Trump actually became president by the will of the people though the system the founders of our nation put in place to keep power within the hands of the people and not a select entitled few. The only extremist are the left wingers who chant death to america while marching through the streets destroying our cities, terrorizing our people, and tearing down our history. If they don't like it here, then feel free to go to some other country that shares their anti-american views.

^ How you can tell someone has been willfully blind.

Interesting accusation. Yet you have not given a rebuttal.

It doesn't need a rebuttal, you showing how ignorant you are or how much you are downplaying events kinda speaks for itself. Looking at previous comments on other journals on pjt you just look like the typical trumpist trying to look like an enlightened centrist.

so you continue to make accusations of ignorance but decide to remain ignorant your self of the world around you. Got it.

Nah, but hey thanks for trying to act like your comments here exist in a vacuum it really shows how much integrity you have that, that's your go to.

Well, let's see, we had 9 cases of people driving cars into the protests, an old man with a knife menacing protesters to protect the police, a kid traveling cross state lines with an illegal firearm to shoot protesters in defense of the police...all but maybe SOME of the car incidents were supporters of Trump. That's literally just what I can REMEMBER off the top of my head. If I wanted to actually look, I imagine I could run this comment box out of room with links. None of it is 'fake news' either before that tired argument is whipped out. When multiple independent agencies are reporting the same facts, it makes it pretty believable, regardless of what Fox News wants to say.

Speaking off, if you want to use them to counter something, do remember they did an segment about the 'violence' the protesters were up to. They had ONE case of a fire that wasn't even confirmed if it was an accident or a firecracker...the rest of the list was graffiti. Not a legal expert, but I'm PRETTY sure graffiti isn't grounds for beatings and being shot...and don't even get me started on examples of armed white people SCREAMING at the police and being ignored, but a black person standing there, talking calmly and getting beaten half to death. These are all things Trump is down with and has supported at one point or another. To sit there and blame the media for the actions of open supporters and people he is supporting does show some super levels of denial.

I get you're ACTUALLY stupid, but federal election law states that as long as someone is in line by the closing point, ACTUALLY in line not gets in line, their vote is valid, end of story.

Voting isn't like getting fucking milk immediately before close, it's a civil right in the united states and trying to hamper that is dangerous as all fuck.

PS dipshit, andrew jackson was a SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT before the modern democratic party, during an era where the dems were actually right wing and there was no solid left wing competition. During the build up to and during the civil war more and more right wing dems 'defected' to the newer GOP and thus the ideologies flipped.

Hey, I'd fucking LOVE to leave the USA, but I can't because Trump's handling of COVID has made us a leper colony.

So I assume the next 4 years youre going to show the same respect for the new president as you demanded of the orange man

I have no respect for someone who was instrumental in destroying black families by making it easy to lock up black men, while calling them predators. Then there is also the cages for kids Joe and Barack built at the boarders in 2014. I pay more attention to actions than just braggared words. I'd rather four more years of the orange man making the nation a better place for all and working on getting peace in the middle east, than someone who called for endless war and terror and sold us out to china. I'm sorry the main stream media and the leftist have you brainwashed. If you really want truth, exit the echo chamber, leave the cave with shadows on the wall. Go really dig and read for your self what really is being said and not just edited snipits to manipulate your mind. And that goes for all sides of the argument.

Besides, the better question should be, will I accept the results and move on. I always have and always will, unlike some people who still can't get over 2016.

Yeah man because its right wing extremists burning down homes buisnesses and neighborhoods right?

Yep this countrys pretty fucked. But who didn't see it coming

You, and all like you, need to stop this crap...

People like you need to stop excusing horrific shit.

Look, my guy, try to relax. The election isn't done yet and we still got multiple major states undecided. As for the Supreme Court I can't really say. Whether it goes there or not I don't know, but do try to stay hopeful.

As for the civil war remark, as divided and at each other's throats our country is, civil war seems like the least likely scenario. Will there be riots or protests regardless of wins? Definitely. But actual shootouts or gunfire? Unlikely I'd say.

I agree civil unrest will be prevalent, but the civil war talk is either gross and disturbing romanticization for some individuals and fear mongering for most.

A common fantasy, and I can see the appeal of it - it's the same appeal as the fantasy of post-apocalypse survival. The promise of simplicity, clarity and purpose. A clear cause to fight for, and an enemy to fight against.

So long as enough people are fed up enough civil war / uprising is inevatable.

Then Biden wins Nevada and Michigan and Biden wins 🤷‍♂️

Bad move, Trump

If Trump refuses to leave office, he'll be shot as a terrorist, simple as that. :P